Posted by TenMan on November 5, 2009, at 11:15:56
In reply to Re: You Must Use Caution With St. Johns Wort » TenMan, posted by bulldog2 on November 5, 2009, at 11:04:38
> > > > I have been taking SJW for years. I am well aware of the published studies, good and bad,
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> > > Perhaps other people were not. Now, they are.
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> > > > However, to this point, I have seen nothing that warrants major concern to the effect that taking the standard doses used for mood disorders orally...
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> > > I guess the evaluation of the import of the studies I referenced is a personal matter, rather than a scientific one.
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> > > > will hasten the formation of cataracts, as for now it is all theoretical.
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> > > Why do you say this?
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> > > It is not theoretical that processes associated with cataract formation are seen in the most recent studies. They are an empirical observation.
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> > > > Personally, I'm far more concerned with the potential unknown consequences of a lifetime of SSRI or Atypcial AP use than SJW.
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> > > Talk about theoretical...
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> > Scott, until there is evidence that oral consumption leads to cataract formation it is theoretical. Plain and simple.
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> > As to my statement about SSRI's and AP's; it is purely my opinion but one I made in response to the safety of SJW being unfairly attacked. I am making no statements to the extent that they should not be taken at all or that they are extremely dangerous, unlike others in this thread.....
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> Yes I remember when there was a theory that a wonderful herb called tobacco caused lung cancer. By time the theory was proved millions had already died of lung cancer. So I guess by time you get the evidence you need you will be walking with a seeing eye dog.Obviously that is none of my concern.
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> It is intuitively obvious to the most casual of observers that this herb must be approached with the greatest concern. I understand that this herb has helped you. Well you say it has helped you and I can understand that you are upset that this formerly believed benign herb is far from benign. I would also be upset. The theoretical studies that show a strong connection between hypericin and cataracts is very powerful. Why else would there be companies trying to produce lowered hypericin products or eliminate it all together. Obviously there is a strong concern. I talked to new chapter on the phone and they wouldn't even committ to saying that their lowered hypericin product sc27 was not a hazzard to the eyes. Also I asked about prescription meds and the told me that it's the hyperforin that's implicated in altering blood levels of meds. For millions of us on blood pressure meds,cholesterol meds etc. that is also an unacceptable risk. So a potent sjw product with standardized levels of hypericin and hyperforin is basically a pharmacuetical med.
> If you get pharmacuetical quality results from an herb than that powerful product is going to be accompanied with significant sides. Basically one goes with the other.
> I have said that i believe this drug does have promise but with what is emerging it needs to be produced in a quality controlled way by a pharmaceutical company (s) so that a standardized product is produced. Than prescribed by a doctor who knows what meds you take and wether this can safely be taken with them. Possibly eliminate hypericin and eliminate cataracts.
> Right now there might be dozens of products out there that vary widely in potency. If it acts like a med, smells like a med,etc than it is a med. Again intuitively obvious to the most casual of observers.
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bulldog, why do you continually insist on putting words into my mouth? I have never said that SJW is benign. Not once. I have stated multiple times that it does involve risk and that there are legitimate concerns. I mean, what is so hard to understand about that? Until you actually bother to read my posts I'm going to have to put you on ignore.As for the rest of your statement-I agree with you. And I hope that I am not using a seeing eye dog one day. However for me the benefits of a life worth living far outweigh the theoretical risk of cataracts.
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