Posted by bulldog2 on November 5, 2009, at 9:41:32
In reply to Re: You Must Use Caution With St. Johns Wort, posted by TenMan on November 5, 2009, at 9:00:24
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> > > > > > > Grazing: St. Johnswort presents difficult problems for grazing, given its chemical constituents. It depresses the central nervous system and increases the animals' sensitivity to temperature change and handling. St. Johnswort also affects the liver, causing temporary sensitivity to sunlight. Livestock usually avoid it unless food is scarce. Excess consumption leads to blistering and itching on light-haired or unpigmented skin areas including the mouth, nose and ears. Dark skin is not affected. The animals may lose weight, become difficult to manage, and they may die of dehydration or starvation if there is swelling or soreness in the mouth. Cattle need to ingest only 1% of their body weight to be affected, whereas sheep can consume up to 4% of their weight. The wool and meat of affected animals is often of poor quality. Horses, rabbits and pigs are also affected by the herb, but I have not found any information reporting whether or not goats are affected. The dried plant as found in hay is much less potent than fresh, but may still cause problems.
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> > > > > Sorry, I wasn't aware there were any cattle on this board taking SJW for mood disorders? What exactly is the point of this? If it makes you feel better I promise not let my cow or goat graze on SJW. Can we now drop this sillyness?
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> > > > > > Also read the link in Scott's post. I posted for what I thought a genuine health risk. If you feel free to google this topic on cattle and sjw this apparently is quite common. I for one will not use the product but feel free to ingest large quantities of sjw since herbal means safe. I guess you're entitled to do what you wish with your eyes. I won't waste my time any more as this is becoming quite childish.
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> > > > > Again with the cattle.
> > > > > Childish? What is childish, taking 1 or two potential side effects and blowing them way out of proportion to what the literature indicates and then using it as justification for hysteria.
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> > > > > Furthermore, not one person in this thread has made any statement to the extant that SJW is completely safe and requires no caution or education before ingestion. Anything that you put into your body is potentially going to cause an adverse reaction. Heck, people even die from too much water! True story. Acetaminophen causes many deaths every year. If you eat too many calories you can develop metabolic syndrome and die. Etc. Etc. Etc.......
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> > > > There seem to be two sets of rules around here. The alt med people frequently use rat and other animal studies to further their views. I guess that doesn't apply to negative sides.
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> > > And yet, you haven't even managed to post a single rat study, much less a cow study. Your arguments are built on sand.
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> > There are probably other natural options that don't put your eyes at risk. My p-doc is actually in favor of anything natural or pharm that will help his patients. But in light of some of the new evidence coming out on sjw he is telling his patients to not take it.
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> > I published a post which I saw in a forum. Just something for people to be aware of. There was no intent to make this an alt med versus the conventional med debate. I believe you were the one that turned the thread in that direction.
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> Yes, a post with the header: DO NOT TAKE ST. JOHNS WORT IT IS DANGEROUS
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> You then proceeded to provided zero evidence to the claim beyond anecdote and observations that when cows ingest multiple pounds of the stuff while grazing they get sick.
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> And you wonder why there is a debate?
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> You are well intentioned but ignorant. That is a very dangerous combination.
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>At this point you are being uncivil.
This is the title of my post
You Must Use Caution With St. Johns Wort
That is far from what you said my post was titled.
The part underneath that said do not ever take sjw was part of the post of the person who had the bad reaction.
You are becoming shrill and hysterical. I published a legitimate post from a well known sjw forum and you seem to be having some type of psychotic breakdown. I published what appeared to be a genuine post and you can't deal with it. I'm sorry that a serious sjw reaction somehow is upsetting to your world. Maybe it is time to close this thread. This thread has gone far of course.
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