Posted by bleauberry on October 11, 2009, at 20:04:14
In reply to Re: cfs virus identified » bleauberry, posted by floatingbridge on October 11, 2009, at 13:25:12
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> > Anyway, CFS from a virus? Not at all surprised. Worthy of mention is that CFS is also cured by eradicating Candida, Borellia and its co-inifectors, Mycoplasma, a half dozen others, and by reducing the inflammation cascade. CFS does not have a single cause, virus or otherwise. The presentation looks the same, whether it is a CFS virus or a fungi or bacteria or a protozoa.
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> Are you sure?Well, I am fairly sure. I say that because my own doctor has had dozens of patients who came to him with a diagnosis of CFS from multiple previous doctors. Their CFS was cured with antibiotics and/or antifungals. I mean, those things don't kill viruses. That's just one doctor in a small town. Hundreds of doctors and thousands of patients with all kinds of mysterious diseases are being accidentally improved or healed by way of anti-microbials.
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> > I am often puzzled why researchers focus in on one single thing, like a CFS virus. Sorry Mr Scientist, the world and the body are not that simple. But that is the nature of the game, I guess, when it is guided by analytic thinking without the incorporation of experiencial thinking.
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> Why puzzled? Isn't that the way has been for some time, with newer thinking really opening up as we speak and holistic approaches finally being embraced by the real scientific theorists? Western science is beginning to see a bigger picture, hence the race to save species in rain forests, for example, to find nature's cures before they are lost forever.Good point. I'm glad to see things go forward, or backward, whichever way you look at it. Heck, Malaria, Syphilis, and Leprosy were cured with plants long before big pharm came along, and today still hold cure rates equal to or higher than the meds.
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> > Broad spectrum safe nontoxic antipathogens, immune support, anti-inflammation, and supportive symptomatic measures...really not that hard. While we struggle for decades to invent stuff, it's already here. CFS patients have an enormous amount of hope for recovery without waiting for further research on any so-called CFS virus.
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> This passage here I feel undermines the immense efforts you and other have taken to heal themselves in a world of infinite info, alternatives and quacks who peddle cure to the desperate. I, personally, am very interested in the discovery of new pathogens underlying an illness largely thought of as at least half psychological. Did you ever suffer any prejudice, rolling of the eyes, lack of empathy when you struggled with lyme?YES!!!
I know my lyme-positive friends have. And as for me, the answer may seem clear to you, but not for me who writes at this board because I am suffering. I feel that the above passage smacks of condescension and, really, hurts my feelings. Every day I wonder what is in my head, what is in my body? What is under my control, what can I do? I am not gifted w/ a scientific mind.
That may be a GOOD thing. What we want are minds with experience, not analytics. Those kinds of doctors exist.
I have seen quacks and now am very leery of 'cures'.
Oh yeah, me too. Plenty. I won't even go into the Colloidal Silver thing or the various herbal heavy metal detox scams. What I want is a real MD, not a theorist, not a seller, who has a track record of at least 1000 patients and at a high cure rate. This person has probably been in practice for at least 40 years.
However, I persevere w/ my difficult diagnosis--or lack of one, actually, and do the best I can.
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> Yes, I am interested to hear that a pathogen underlies CFS and a host of other aliments, prostate cancer among them. And yes, I find it interesting to hear it is a retrovirus, similar to aids, that originally came from mice--and I applaud the broad-minded scientists who have done this research. They are exploring just the very terrain I would like them to. What the pharmaceutical industry does with this info in the years to come is a whole other matter. The research remains exciting to me.The research is exciting. We need more of it. There is too much we don't know. But until then, we actually do have mountains of experience that is generally ignored on this side of the world.
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> Would I love to take a pill and be cured--OMG, yes! But I don't see that in my future. However, western medicine has eradicated diseases that once ravaged humanity--perhaps they have created some as well, but that is beyond my ken.Well, yeah, cure usually takes longer. But can a plant pill revive you 50% in a single day? Yes. I have felt it. It is not a pipedream.
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> We all have friends who have had successful cancer treatments using western med. The best outcomes, I feel, are when they are used in conjunction w/ chinese meds and other 'alt' remedies. I have lost friends who used only alternative means to address ailments such as cancer and aids.I believe the marriage of Traditional Chinese Medicine with Modern Western Medicine into a new category called Modern Chinese Medicine has better outcomes than either alone. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. We can harness the strengths of both to overcome the weaknesses of the other.
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> Take care Bleauberry. I value your input more than this note might show. Your recent comments on Savella, for example, have me thinking about different western approaches to my situation--and that is only the most recent input I have to thank you for.
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> Off the soap box now, on onto terra firma,
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> respectfully,
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>Watch out for out for the quacks! If you read between the lines, you can usually tell who is genuinely in the healing business and who is deceptively in the selling business.
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