Posted by sunkistcat79 on January 11, 2009, at 10:34:23
In reply to Re: Buprenorphine, posted by bleauberry on January 10, 2009, at 14:14:57
Warning - this is long and I get a little intense during it. Please don't interpert anything I say as an insult to the writer. I am just frustrated with my situation. I greatly appreciate your comments, advice, and kindness. REALLY!
> I would not at all expect it to have the knockout punch of oxycodone or bup or anything like that. But it could work in an indirect way to smooth things out for you. It will bring on withdrawals from opioids if you are not washed out from them. In any case, most people who see benefits on LDN..which is most people..see them in weeks and months, not days. So don't expect the immediate hit of a pain killer. Whatever improvements you see are likely to creep up on you over time to where you don't notice from day to day you are getting better until you look back and see that you have. Again, weeks and months. "
Unfortunately, if LDN does work a little bit after weeks and months, it might get me from spending my life in bed and at the computer to....i don't know...going to the store some more and maybe tolerating hanging out with a few people (if anyone even wants to). I am in DIRE need of a major chemical change.
It's bull...if I was suffering this way due to some insulin problem, I'd get what I needed and wouldn't have to bribe and convince doctors/people. Someone who takes insulin is "addicted" to it, right?
The weird thing with oxycodone is that after stopping Bupe (for AT LEAST a month - and much longer) I tried taking oxycodone on a few occasions. I took up to 15 mg and it basically had NO effect whatsoever. This tells me that my body "remembered" from when I first took it (possibly as a result from having an extremely low level of endorphins?) and now requires much more to have any effect whatsoever.
Anyone have any ideas why between 5 and 15 mg of oxoycodone (with apap) would have no effect on me (with at the VERY least a month after discontinuing all opiates)?
If I'm on LDN and try oxycodone, what could happen? How long would I need to be off of LDN to have an effect from oxycodone?
> Seems like things were cool with Oxy. Maybe could have just stayed with that? Obvious addiction issues though. People's lives, marriages, and careers have been ruined by the inability to control dosage intake."
The "funny" thing is, that my life, relationship and career are, at present, completely nonexistent (ruined). It seems that if I took oxycodone, at the very worst, I would feel good sometimes and have no life, relationship or career. Please don't take this as being rude to you. I am just annoyed by my situation - which you are only just offering advice and kindness.
"I guess if someone had the ironclad discipline to take it as a med in non-changing specified doses, as well as partial holidays here and there to refresh any tolerance happening, it might be a way to go. "
I'M THAT PERSON! I decided in 8th grade that I had an addictive personality and that I needed to put some controls on myself. I decided to not smoke cigarettes or drink when I was sad. I have smoked 1 puff of a cigarette in my life. And prior to 2 years ago, I haven't drunk when I was sad (and I have never passed out, had an hangover, thrown up from drinking - and there have been many times where I have gone months without having a drink or thinking either way about it). I finally started to try to drink when sad, but it's usually about a week between deciding I should start drinking and when I remember to get around to it. I bought a six pack a few days ago and still have half of it left.
Also, in 8th grade, I thought I was eating too much, so, to control my eating (for other reasons as well) I stopped eating meat for about 10 years. A few years ago, someone told me gluten can lead to depression so, THE VERY NEXT DAY (and for the next 2 years - except for a few Challenges) I discontinued eating ANY form of gluten (essentially the only food I ate outside of what I made in my home was salads - with my own dressing). During this time, I had a blood test which suggested I was allergic to dairy and eggs. So, for almost a year, I ate NO TRACE of dairy, eggs, or gluten. This takes a huge amount of self control (esp. for someone like myself who eats for comfort when sad - which is very very often).Similarly, I think I was very controlled about my oxycodone dose. I only raised it when absolutely necessary - I was actually scared to raise the dose. I even thought about the concept of taking a "holiday" to keep tolerance in check.
However, I think that whatever caused my "tolerance" to bupe would cause a similar effect with oxycodone (maybe why oxycodone has had no effect on me recently?). Remember, I had the SAME effect from bupe as I did with oxycodone (except for about 45 minutes of feeling sleepy/high on oxycodone).
I very much want to try bupe again, but if i remember correctly, you need to be in withdrawl already in order for the bupe to not make you sick. Also, I have a lot of bupe. but it's over a year old.
I'm afraid to ask my doctor (the psychiatrist who originally prescribed me bupe after being on oxycodone for a week) because he might say no and then i feel I have no where to turn to...and I'm very very depressed and unmotivated already.
Again. THANK YOU for your comments...and anyone else.
Sorry this was so long and so "rambly".
I guess I have *some* motivation - enough to keep writing here.I just KNOW how I felt when the opioids worked - and it's the way functioning/happy people feel most ever day. I NEED that!!! And if I sound like an addict, well, that's because what causes many addicts to be so is some chemical deficiency of some kind. If we all had the chemicals we needed - well....you know the rest of that sentence.
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