Posted by Quintal on December 26, 2006, at 18:10:37
In reply to Re: Whats the cheapest opiate?, posted by yxibow on December 26, 2006, at 1:37:14
>Why can't we allow 14 year olds to shoot up heroin before going to middle school ? I just do not get this line of discussion.
How does OTC analgesics containing small amounts of codeine translate into 14 year olds taking IV Heroin? A significant portion of 14 year olds will have already swallowed their morning hit of prescribed amphetamine - some will actually be taking crystal meth in the form of Desoxyn tablets. That seems a crazy double standard to me. So if it's OK to give the 'ADHD' kids a supply of amphetamines why do you think it's so wrong to allow treatment resistant depressives access to opiates with limited abuse potential such as buprenorphine?
>Yeah, percocet was fun after a wisdom tooth operation for a few days plus constipation, but that's about what its meant for.
What do you mean by:"but that's about what its meant for."? Opiates are effective antidepressants and anxiolytics for many people. Many medicines are used off-label for purposes that are not officially recognised.
>I will never be for the casual use of synthetic opiates.
How do you know your opinion will never change, and why the aversion to synthetic opiates? - just curious.
>-- I suppose the poppy tea might be harmless once or twice but the strength is so unknown --
There's good reason to think it is likely to be more dangerous than low dose codeine preparations for that very reason.
>And then its a slippery slope -- lets put meth on the cough and cold aisle...
No it isn't. There are safer and more effective drugs for simple cold preparations. Anyone wanting a steady legal supply of crystal meth could try for a diagnosis of ADHD, claim to get a poor response to Adderall, Ritalin and Dexedrine and, just possibly if they're a good actor and have no history of substance misuse, get a prescription for Desoxyn. That's assuming that they're not content to have access to those first three powerful synthetic stimulants in the first place.
>Opiates will get you addicted, eventually. Benzodiazepines, regulated, may get you habituated if not kept in check, but there's a wide difference.
I found opiates easier to quit than benzos and I did develop a major drug addiction (not simply habituation) to clonazepam despite having no previous history of substance misuse. Tolerance developed so rapidly to the euphoric effects of tramadol that I voluntarily quit cold turkey after a few months. I had to be forced to quit benzos and it was agony - every bit as painful as opiate withdrawal. Opiates made me optimistic and cheerful, but I could live without them. Benzos seemed to affect me more deeply - I've said before that opiates enhanced my life wonderfully while they worked, but benzos I sometimes feel I need just to survive.
I don't see the wide difference you're seeing
Q
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