Posted by chemist on July 6, 2005, at 14:51:58
In reply to Re: BAD idea good idea(?) » chemist, posted by utopizen on July 6, 2005, at 14:19:02
> Chemist, I have no idea about this Nature article, but omg, you got published in Nature?
*** hello there, chemist here...Science, actually - Nature is nice, but with features such as the identification of a neuron in the human brain that responds to images of Jennifer Aniston (Nature v. 435, 23 June 2005), i'll take the slightly lower impact factor and much lower fluff factor....***
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> Wow. Magnesium I've heard, but I've only bothered to take my 8-10 fish oil capsules a day for depression because of the Noregian studies and my docs all citing them emphatically.
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> Magesium I always dismissed as yet-another-supplement getting touted over the 'net.
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> My blood levels reveal perfect states of everything, and I take iron and B-100 supplements to ensure this due to existing defiencies otherwise.
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> So your study found elevated, beyond those found to be in the norm ranges, helpful in patients with ADD?
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*** no. babblemail me and i will provide the citations (there are others that are more germane)...the Mg/Ca business is a critical part of understanding another phenomenon entirely...***> And what's this Calcium stuff? I do notice my bones seem like weaker feeling whenever I take Ritalin, Adderall, or Desoxyn. I know animal protein sources of calcium can usurp calcium from the bones, and my sister claims caffiene (stimulant-related reason?) does the same.
*** animal protein sources of calcium? you are likely referring to striated muscle, and the cation is bound in any case. once calcium is in solution, from whence it came is irrelavent...indiscriminate chelation of any group I/II cations and diuretic effect of methylated xanthine = loss of solvated or loosely-bound species, i suspect....***
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> I am vegan, so I take calcium from plant-based proteins, thank god, since I'm not that ignorant, but I want your take on whether stimulants do actually take calcium from the bones or not, or if this sensation of weaker bones is in my head perhaps.*** metabolism/catabolism of phenethylamine CNS stimulants is very clean and not likely to displace calcium in bone - a hydroxyapatite matrix which, given a very unrealistic local pH change, could instigate salting-out of Ca/Mg hydroxides but this is not observed - but increased urination from excess fluid intake while stimulated might be a first go-round...all the best, chemist ***
Also, what dose of Mg did your conclusions advise? Do I just pop the typical dose of a magnesium supplement, like I do with low-dose Feosol for my iron?
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