Posted by JonW on October 26, 2002, at 10:31:17
In reply to Effexor and possible Bi Polar, posted by NikkiT2 on October 26, 2002, at 10:21:03
I've pasted a page from the tips below (http://www.dr-bob.org/tips/split/Possible-indications-of-bi.html):
From: rdb@icu.com (Richard David Brand, MD)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:31:10 -0500
Subject: Possible indications of bipolarityI am thinking [a patient] may be bipolar, despite the absence of a clear manic or hypomanic episode, and may try valproate. Leading me toward the change in dx are the following:
selectively better response to venlafaxine
age of onset (too young to have recurrent unipolar depression)
at least on SSRIs, a very rapid switch to euthymia (which for him may actually be hypomania, since his general character is depressive by nature).
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:40:31 -0500
Subject: Possible indications of bipolarityI have come to the same conclusion on several patients with recurrent depressions starting in adolescence. I also have found in such patients that venlafaxine and buproprion with a mood stablizer like divalproex to be very helpful in smoothing out the moods and in preventing more cycles.
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From: rdb@icu.com (Richard David Brand, MD)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 14:01:22 -0500
Subject: Possible indications of bipolarity
Why does a better response to venlafaxine indicate bipolar tendencies?
--Andy CheshireGood question. I asked the same one at the Psychiatric Congress in NYC last Nov. This idea came as anecdotal material from one of the conference speakers. It was his feeling that venlafaxine works better with bipolar illness than the "straight" SSRIs and has less likelihood of causing a manic switch.
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From: "Kip Doran M.D." <74444.3204@compuserve.com>
Subject: Possible indications of bipolarityI often find that patients who truly have a robust response to an antidepressant in just a few days often turn out to be bipolar.
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From: PMBrig@aol.com (Peter M. Brigham, MD)
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 08:08:38 -0500
Subject: Possible indications of bipolarityI have the growing impression that rapid responders who then lose efficacy despite subsequent dose increases often turn out to have occult bipolar disorder and respond when mood stabilizers are added. In retrospect I have come to think in some cases that the rapid initial response was a mild hypomania.
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:03:35 -0400
From: scole@world.std.com (Stanley Cole)
Subject: Possible indications of bipolarityThis has been my experience too, that a number of patients with rapid response to SSRIs have ultimately gone on to get worse, appear to be hypomanic and eventually do well with added mood stabilizer. I have had one patient this year who had a remote post-partum depression, a number of successful courses of Prozac over the years, and only this past time demonstrated the picture described above. In fact, after she was stabilized, she wanted to do the experiment of going off the mood stabilizer and eventually demonstrated need for it.
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 18:45:52 +0900
From: fukuda@med.teikyo-u.ac.jp (Rimmei Fukuda)
Subject: Possible indications of bipolarityAt 21:13 97.01.06, Ivan Goldberg wrote:
Among the possible indicators of some degree of bipolarity are:hypersomnia when depressed
winter intensification of depression
family hx of bipolar spectrum disorders
profound lethargy when depressed
irritability as a response to antidepressants
"mini-hypomanias" -- seldom reported by the pt, but often by significant others, if asked.
I agree with Ivan's very beautiful illustration. It is my humble impression that bipolar depression (especially type II) tends to show up with these features rather than melancholia (except for acute double-depression). Patients with the initial dx of atypical depression or dysthymia often reveal bipolarity later.
Clinically I often see many, many of these typically young, mildly dysthymic, not necessarily suicidal, apparently functioning patients with histories of possible hypomania. They are sometimes with conflicts of identity and of human relationship and need psychotherapy or cognitive changes. The worst thing is to medicate them with too much long-term, short-acting benzodiazepine!
poster:JonW
thread:125293
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