Posted by Jason911 on February 9, 2002, at 1:08:20
In reply to An SSRI such as Zoloft would work better for you , posted by 3 Beer Effect on February 8, 2002, at 19:24:28
WHAT!!! I have a hard enough time getting it up now and you think that an SSRI (which causes sexual dysfunction in 60% of patients - regardless of what the company tells you) will help my sexual problems?? It is psychological now and I don't want it to be all of a sudden physical SD. Where you able to have sex on it??? I hear that it will cause impotence. I'm thinking the Klonopin will ease me out and anger control is the LEAST of my problems. I wouldn't hurt anybody, I would just lash out verbally at people sometimes over stupid things. Klonopin should help that (2mg) in the morning and enhanced by Eldepryl. And you know, feeling better in itself would definately help my anger control. Anger control is, in my view, magnified by my depressed mood, ya know? SSRIs would be the last thing for me to try because sexual dysfunction is the LAST thing a depressed teen needs :) Thanks for your input, though. I appreciate it! My problem is in the dopamine area.. I'm sure of it. I tried a bunch of 5-HTP and St. John's Wort shortly after I stopped smokin dope and didn't do a thing for me. Curious if my mood could have something to do with ADD, I tried one of my sister's Ritalin pills a while back before my first visit (she's ADD) while on no herbs or meds and just ONE made me a nervous wreck! ADD hasn't run in the family as no one else related to me has this and my sister is a little slow though too and has some other problems. Learning disabilities, etc. God bless her. Anyway, I found myself making beats in my rocking chair, rocking back and forth like a mad man and realized I was acting like a hyperactive lunatic. Lasted only an hour and a half, thank the lord. I told the doctor this and he said that that was important to him to know. Adderall does absolutely nothing. I took 30mg at one time today (and I'm going to stop it altogether for sure now) just to see what happened and if a higher dose was needed for me. It STILL didn't do anything but increase my heart rate to an uncomfortable level and kissed my appetite goodbye!!!! That dose would make most people euphoric! That should also be an indicator. Dopamine controls motivation and will take the flatness out of my life. And remember it's not the delrenyl itself. It's the combination with phenylalanine. Not many books write about this and not many doctors know about it because it is not marketed this way and has only RECENTLY been studied with these combinations. Only since the 1990's. It looks promising. And there was that Selegiline Transdermal Patch test a while ago. And reading some of these posts it worked like a charm. Another post said that Klonopin plus selegiline (5mg) a day was amazing for this particular person. No anxiety anymore and sexually soaring and mentally focused!! You should look for yourself. And most people can be cured from Wellbutrin, SSRI's, or others. But I have the feeling I'll go under the category of treatment-resistant. Hell, when I get a headache, no amount of Tylenol, Advil, or Asprin can get rid of it. It just has to take it's course over the next couple of hours. My body can fight these meds but won't be able to fight the MAO-B! BWAHAHAHA! But like I said I'll try anything but I want to give this a try first as it seems to make the most sense and has the least side-effects. Side-effects ARE listed in my paper. Agitation, insomnia were most common. These people shouldn't be taking it obviously because their problems lie elsewhere. Possibly setotonin related. Who knows? There's always the Klonopin. Focalin or SSRIs could lie in the future. I'll let you know how it goes on Wednesday and the results of my med taking and, again, thanks for your input. It means alot. Write back if you would. -Jason911
> DO NOT use l-deprenyl/eldepryl/(selegeline)/! If you have a short fuse/agitation or are easily angered a dopaminergic such as Eldepryl would be a bad choice for you. It will make your agitation & insomnia worse.
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> You sound like you would be much better off with an SSRI such as Zoloft with 0.5-1 mg of Klonopin in the morning to offset SSRI side effects & if you have insomnia- Klonopin 0.5 mg OR Ambien 5-10 mg at night. Zoloft even has some dopamine reuputake inhibition & so it is activating at 75 & 100mg & will get you out of bed ready to start the day. (The starting dose of 50 mg makes most people sleepy & is probably too low). I found out Zoloft gets rid of all social anxiety & depression & most fun of all, you can go up & talk to girls without even thinking about it, makes you an "instant mac!"- probably the best cure for social anxiety/shyness I have come across- for me, even better than Klonopin. Unfortunately I had to discontinue Zoloft since I turned out to have Bipolar disorder.
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> If you try the Zoloft I would absolutely avoid psychostimulants/dopaminergics all together. They are not physically addicting, but psychologically addicting meaning that once you start using them in order to study, it is almost impossible to study without them. Not only that but they decrease your social skills & often make you act like a nervous weirdo.
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> Eldepryl probably won't cure your depression & isn't used much as a dopaminergic antidepressant anymore because there are far superior & safer drugs such as Mirapex available for that. Eldepryl may or may not help you study, but Ritalin definitely will & results in much greater brain stimulation & focus. Since there are several different dopamine receptor subtypes different dopaminergic drugs will have different effects. Mirapex is a dopaminergic anti-depressant but won't help you study like Ritalin does.
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> Also, much of the research & info about eldepryl is funded by or comes from the overseas European companies that sell Eldepryl (selgeline) as a so called "smart drug" to US citizens through the mail & this "nootropic" smart drug research is pretty suspect & unreliable. Don't believe everything you read, especially on the internet. A more reliable source would be to read psychopharmacology/psychiatry books at Barnes & Noble although most don't talk about l-deprenyl because hardly anyone uses it. Be sure to read the PDR to find out about the side effects of Eldepryl & its dangerous interactions with anti-depessants before you really decide whether you want to take that stuff.
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> If you really do need a drug to help you study, you may have attention deficit disorder. Usually people with ADD respond to either Ritalin or Adderall but not both. I cannot study at all on Adderall but with Ritalin I feel like Albert Einstein. Ritalin has been found to be up to 70% effective for ADD, & as a psychostimulant I would bet anything that it vastly superior to deprenyl. Unlike other dopaminergenics, Ritalin usually won't increase your agitation or "short fuse", but allows you to focus on the task at hand with great concentration for about 3 & 1/2 hours- & then you are back to normal. You should take it 30-45 minutes before breakfast & lunch/or early afternoon, & then you can get all of your studying done and have no insomnia. My GPA at a academically rigorous university went from a 2.2 to a 3.0 on Ritalin. Additionally, a new & improved version of Ritalin called Focalin (which is the clinically active 'd-isomeer' of Ritalin) just came out that provides more brain stimulation with less peripheral side effects like anxiety or insomnia. Since Focalin is twice as strong as Ritalin, a 10 mg pill of Focalin is equal to a 20 mg pill of Ritalin. Both Ritalin & Focalin last about 3.5 hours.
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