Posted by Lorraine on January 5, 2002, at 11:53:38
In reply to Still confused and on St. John's Wort » jimmygold70, posted by anaya on January 3, 2002, at 21:38:13
I am trying St Johns (along with neurontin and ritalin xr). My reason for trying the St Johns is because I am so sensitive to side effects. First two weeks on St Johns very tough, now doing much better (could be cycle, could be sun, could be anything, might be St Johns kicking in on day 18, who knows? I'll keep an eye on it and let you know). I bought Kira St Johns wart b/c it seems to be the quality brand (think it was used in experiments). I am taking once a day, but as I say too early to say if it is working. I am getting a good nights sleep (still take sleeping meds, but have good sleep architecture on St Johns--meaning I wake up rested and can sleep in--which is wonderful--even have dreams) Good luck to you.
> Jimmy, you are a gem.
> Thanks for for the download nice and slow.
> My mind is amuck racing right now with regrets, irritation, and self-loathing. (PMS, disappointing acting class I drove an hour for, miss California, regrets, boredom) Right now I want to move to NYC, and I have a taste for a breakdown if only someone were awake.
> I WANT MEDICATION SOON! Get the picture?
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> I will take your advice on the books. Already read some good articles and may take a class on personality psychology.
> And I am in the process of locating a psychiatrist who deals with BPD. Unfortunately the closest psychiatrists are 2 hours away. I'm in the "boonies" back in the nest as some cackling woman said to me today. I wanted to spit on her.
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> My doctor (regular physician) told me that because I am so sensitive and intolerant of side effects, she wants me on a high dose of St. John's Wort for the dysthymia. I wanted to cry. Maybe I'll just take the effexor after all.
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> I appreciate your thoughts, and look forward to a real p-doc soon. Hopefully I can find one with experience, but I have my doubts. Perhaps I need to move to NYC to get good help. The idea now is that my folks help me out while I am dealing with my mental health. One step at a time, I guess. But I may be suffering unnecessarily here.
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> chaos or creativity?
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> anaya
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> > Listen, all you need is to read a good book or article about BPD (Borderline Perosnality).
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> > First, get into amazon.com and order 'Borderline Personality Disorder - A Clinical Guide' by Gunderson, 2001. It's pretty costy but worth every buck you pay for it.
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> > Now, if you have access to a library (academic-medical one), get yourself "The psychiatic clinics of north america - Borderline Personality Disorder" - March 2000 issue.
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> > > I feel so confused. I thought I knew what I wanted to do (Serzone), but here I sit, still looking at this web site and putting off calling my doctor. Ahh.
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> > I don't say Serzone is a bad option at all. It's a good alternative to SSRIs. You can try that in the higher doses, but don't forget to add low-dose antypsychotic such as Risperdal or Zyprexa. The latter might give you some weight gain, but it's worth the try.
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> > > I would like to try and SSRI, but worry about weight gain and feeling numbed out.
> > > I suppose the indecisiveness is another symptom of BPD and depression?
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> > Ye, Serzone will not make you fill numbed out. SSRIs do make some people numbed out. Did you feel that ? some do. I just say they're better studied for BPD. But Serzone at 300-400mg will do as well, with many side effect though, I warn you.
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> > Indecicisiveness is a symptom of depression...
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> > > > > Sid, I haven't ruled out effexor xr (I WAS trying the XR), but will keep it in mind for future. I read that serzone and effexor xr can possibly make a good combo for various reasons which can be found on these archives.
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> > Try one AD at first with an antipsychotic. Effexor is good as well, another option for you (in 150mg).
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> > > > > Anyway, I think what I am learning is that this takes patience and attention.
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> > Sure it does.
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> > effective. However, when I took it 3 years ago (for 1 month), I felt less depressed, but numbed out. No lows, but no highs either (a bummer for a passionate dramatist).
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> > OK, so go for serzone 300-400mg or Effexor 150mg + Antypsychotic, I STRESS.
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> > > > > We'll see, if Serzone doesn't quite do it, then perhaps an augment with Prozac.
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> > Not a good combo. If serzone dosn't help, try Effexor. If Effexor doesn't help (compined with an Antipsychotic), try remeron or add lithium to the cocktail.
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> > > > > And definitely lots of self observation. Maybe I'll finally keep that "tides" chart.
> > > > > thanks.
> > > > > anaya
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> > I you got yourself a PDoc with experience with BPD, that would be your best bet !!!
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> > Jimmy
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> ////
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