Posted by Else on August 1, 2001, at 18:36:56
In reply to Re: Q for JohnL: So..why's Prozac so different? » Else, posted by dove on August 1, 2001, at 16:12:58
I don't personnally think I have been this bitchy. I may have been sarcastic (calling my sarcasm biting BTW, is a compliment, I personnally don't find it that good). I admit I am biased against anti-psychotics, even Zyprexa because most of the people I have known who have tried them have done terribly on them. John may have had a great response, I don't doubt that, but I am suggesting that this is probably an atypical response and that other treatments should be tried before.
I was in a pretty bad mood this morning and I am sorry if my posts came off as hostile. I can understand that someone would be very enthusiastic about finally finding something that works but does that make it the solution for everyone?
Also, as far as I know, this is not a support group, at least not in the classical sense. I expect some debating to go on and people not to be destroyed by opposition. John did not strike me as the kind of person who could not handle it. In any event, he can tell me what he thinks himself.
> > Sorry about the sarcasm John. But I have read the other posts. When you post information about research several times and then never give references well then, I believe that is not very credible. You should not make claims that certain drugs are scientifically proven to work better in the REAL world if you cannot provide us with the studies refs the or at least the abstracts. Studies may be difficult to read but pretty much anyone can handle an abstract.
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> First, I'd like to say that the sarcasm in the previous post and the one before it, is indeed uncalled for. I do not know how long Else has been on this board, but I do know how long JohnL has, and I know how much he has gone thru before coming to a place where he feels well and is able to share his experiences. His knowledge may be in layman terms, and based on personal experience--as well as other's personal experiences--but it is also based on eons of research and endless discussions on this board and elsewhere.
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> I respect him greatly, and am honored to be able to read his knowledge and personal experiences thru hell and back. I may not completely agree with everything he believes; yet I am able to listen and read without finding it absolutely necessary to pile sarcastic response after response upon his empathetic and humble head.
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> I know he is strong enough to handle the biting sarcastic remarks, but I am not and I wish you would give him the respect he deserves for seeking, searching, and finding the answers he needed to make him well. We all know that there are a multitude of drugs that are psychoactive; be they antidepressants, atypical anti-psychotics, ACE inhibitors, or herbal remedies. The research is endless, and if you looked back into the archives maybe you would find the answers you so urgently seek. All of us have posted abstracts, full papers, preliminary reports, and our *own* experiences with that multitude of drugs.
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> We are the old-timers, the newbies, the lurkers, the voiceless; who still seek help, still wonder whether our meds are making things better or worse, still hand out support even when we're in the thick of it, and still give time and knowledge to a support board even when we have found the right fix-it plan. JohnL has been enthusiastic with the response he has had to meds normally not used to treat depression or dysthymia, and he wants to share and help others who are stuck with meds that haven't worked and don't work!
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> His knowledge is precious to me and many others! I would prefer, but that's only my own wish of course, that should someone find the need to strongly disagree or question a person's statement and ask for research (abstracts and whatnot) to verify a personal opinion, that they also should candidly but civilly state their exact disagreement and perhaps back-up their own opinion with the applicable research.
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> There just isn't enough time to squirrel around with citations and abstracts after you've been writing on the board for years, it becomes a burden rather than a support. Every individual is responsible for their own research, opinions, and the manner in which they give out support or ask for help. JohnL, I love you for your humbleness and dignity, and we are still here listening and reading!
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