Posted by chdurie2 on October 30, 2000, at 0:11:10
In reply to Re: ADRAFANIL OR PIRACETAM anyone? ,john,lala » JohnL, posted by Maniz on October 27, 2000, at 18:43:51
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> I do not think piracetam will give similar effects to Adrafinil.
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> I never read Piracetam affected adrenergic receptors as Adrafinil does.
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> Although, pramiracetam (the strongest racetam) is very stimulating for some people -it seems. Drawback: too expensive.
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> Vinpocetine has an effect on the reticular system and some people report a vigilance increase.
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> Hydergine does affect neurotransmitter receptors (the three mayor, at least that reads in the packet insert) and has an alpha adrenergic blocking action (for which I think it is different to Adrafinil). For the last property it was used for hypertension.
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> The good side of these drugs is the very low toxicity.
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> > In literature there are no reported interactions of Piracetam with other drugs. To be on the safe side, as with any medication or herb, starting with low doses and going slow is wise I think.
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> > Piracetam doesn't work the same way as Adrafinil, but I guess it could have similar results. Since it in a way energizes the mind, it could also energize the body maybe? Another one that looks interesting is Hydergine. I should try these myself so I'll have real life experience to comment on. I've read a lot about them, but haven't tried them. I've been looking at Piracetam or Hydergine for purposes of treating tinnitus, but as of yet haven't done anything.
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> > Just my opinion, but I think any combination of the drugs you mentioned is safe. Just start low and go slow. Dip your toes in the water, as I sometimes say, before diving in.
> > JohnAll-only problem with piracetam is that i've found it takes HUGE quantities to be effective (more than 4 thousand mgs daily) and that is also unbelievably nauseating and tedious. also, on hydergine, primarily designed for alzheimer's, it doesn't work for many people, takes at least six months on a normal dosage (3 mg or grams?) daily; liquid form is more potent, and you need to take 12 to feel anything at all.
because of the problems with piracetam/hydergine, i've switched to having a compounding pharmacist make a gel for me. we're now at the equivalent of 8000 mg of piracetam daily and 12 of hydergine.
i'm still not convinced of its greatness, although dean & morganthaler and their readers (provided by the authors) give it rave reviews for cognitive enhancement.
i've found i really need to add 30mgs of Eldepryl (selegeline) for the boost, an addition at 10 mgs that they endorse heartily as giving extra umph. i stick with eldepryl cuz i've found selegeline quality varies quite a bit.
don't know what you guys are looking for piracetam/hydergine to do, but i hope you have better results and a stronger stomach than i do. (my compounding pharmacist says he gets nauseous just from making piracetam!)
caroline h
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