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Posted by Lamdage22 on January 19, 2014, at 8:24:30
Am i the only one who thinks that locking people up if they are fed up with their lifes.
I cant be my true self, i cant tell anyone how i really feel and thus im ever more lonely.
And i bet that im not the only one. Being locked up for how i feel, this is far away from freedom.
This makes me even more depressed and i believe if this was different, i may be able to recover because i could reach out. Like this everyones duty is to lock you up and violate your human rights.
This issue delivers tremendous pain to me.
Posted by SLS on January 19, 2014, at 8:54:42
In reply to Isnt it darn stupid to lock people up., posted by Lamdage22 on January 19, 2014, at 8:24:30
> Am i the only one who thinks that locking people up if they are fed up with their lifes.
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> I cant be my true self, i cant tell anyone how i really feel and thus im ever more lonely.
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> And i bet that im not the only one. Being locked up for how i feel, this is far away from freedom.
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> This makes me even more depressed and i believe if this was different, i may be able to recover because i could reach out. Like this everyones duty is to lock you up and violate your human rights.
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> This issue delivers tremendous pain to me.I understand. I have been hospitalized several times for drug-induced mania. The result of the treatment for mania was successful, but it left me in a deep depression. I felt caged. I was watched 24 hours a day to prevent me from exercising my right to perform auto-euthanasia. I felt as if I were kept in restraints.
- Scott
Posted by baseball55 on January 19, 2014, at 19:19:36
In reply to Re: Isnt it darn stupid to lock people up. » Lamdage22, posted by SLS on January 19, 2014, at 8:54:42
I don't know how it works in your country. But in the US, you can be committed involuntarily if you express a desire and a plan to commit suicide. OTOH, if you really plan to commit suicide and don't want to be locked up, why tell people about your plan?
I've been locked up several times for intense suicidal urges, plans, attempts. I wanted to be locked up until I got control. I wanted to be kept safe. Mostly I took myself to the ER. Once my husband took me. When I and the hospital staff felt I was safe, they sent me home. I never really felt that I was held against my will.
I saw people held against their will a couple of times - both in the throes of completely out-of-control delusional behavior.
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 20, 2014, at 8:31:43
In reply to Re: Isnt it darn stupid to lock people up., posted by baseball55 on January 19, 2014, at 19:19:36
I would want close people to be at peace with my decision plus i would want someone to help me.
I dont like these violent suicide methods.
Posted by Phillipa on January 20, 2014, at 9:34:48
In reply to Re: Isnt it darn stupid to lock people up., posted by baseball55 on January 19, 2014, at 19:19:36
When I worked in psych if one came in voluntarily and was suicidal. The staff and docs had to feel you were safe to leave before discharge. It got complicated if the person regreted their decision as then the staff and doc would detain them. Working in a psych unit I found could become sticky for some patients. Phillipa
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 20, 2014, at 10:15:41
In reply to Re: Isnt it darn stupid to lock people up. » baseball55, posted by Phillipa on January 20, 2014, at 9:34:48
Sticky? What do you mean?
Posted by baseball55 on January 20, 2014, at 19:42:06
In reply to Re: Isnt it darn stupid to lock people up., posted by Lamdage22 on January 20, 2014, at 8:31:43
> I would want close people to be at peace with my decision plus i would want someone to help me.
>
> I dont like these violent suicide methods.But if you express this, you can expect to be locked up. Mental health professionals are trained to try to prevent suicides. No doctor is going to help you. This is not like having terminal cancer, where a lot of doctors would be willing to give you access to unlimited morphine. Depression is different. For many people, it passes. People recover or learn to cope. I did. Learned to cope. Therapy helped, especially DBT.
You're fairly young, right? You still have a lot of things that can change and get better over time.
But I don't see why you would expect that saying -- I want to kill myself -- is not going to lead to your ending up on a locked ward.
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 21, 2014, at 6:22:26
In reply to Re: Isnt it darn stupid to lock people up. » Lamdage22, posted by baseball55 on January 20, 2014, at 19:42:06
> > I would want close people to be at peace with my decision plus i would want someone to help me.
> >
> > I dont like these violent suicide methods.
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> But if you express this, you can expect to be locked up. Mental health professionals are trained to try to prevent suicides. No doctor is going to help you. This is not like having terminal cancer, where a lot of doctors would be willing to give you access to unlimited morphine. Depression is different. For many people, it passes. People recover or learn to cope. I did. Learned to cope. Therapy helped, especially DBT.
>
> You're fairly young, right? You still have a lot of things that can change and get better over time.
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> But I don't see why you would expect that saying -- I want to kill myself -- is not going to lead to your ending up on a locked ward.
Id expect not to get locked up because i dont see the point in doing this.. To my mind it should be a personal freedom.
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 21, 2014, at 10:56:48
In reply to Re: Isnt it darn stupid to lock people up., posted by Lamdage22 on January 21, 2014, at 6:22:26
The point is im suffering like a dog. People have gotten used to my posts, so i dont get alot of answers.
I still think its wrong to treat people like that so they are punished for suffering.
Posted by Partlycloudy on January 21, 2014, at 14:34:45
In reply to Re: Isnt it darn stupid to lock people up., posted by Lamdage22 on January 21, 2014, at 10:56:48
Oh, gosh. I don't not respond to your posts because I don't agree or disagree. I am too bloody miserable myself.
I am sorry my inability to respond has been interpreted as disagreement. Not so.
pc
Posted by baseball55 on January 21, 2014, at 19:30:23
In reply to Re: Isnt it darn stupid to lock people up., posted by Lamdage22 on January 21, 2014, at 6:22:26
> > > I would want close people to be at peace with my decision p
> Id expect not to get locked up because i dont see the point in doing this.. To my mind it should be a personal freedom.I guess I am confused about what is happening to you. Are you being committed to a locked ward because you've attempted suicide or expressed suicidal intentions?
I agree that people should be free to commit suicide if they feel this makes sense to them. But if you go to someone else and tell them this is your intention or ask them to help you carry it out, you really have to expect that they will commit you.
I'm unsure what country you live in and what the laws are. In the US, mental health practitioners will call emergency services if a person is likely to kill themselves or harm others. My therapist has always taken the position that she will try to commit me if she feels I am not able to make a rational decision because of my mental illness. My p-doc's response has always been to urge me to go voluntarily to a hospital and, if I wouldn't, to call my husband and alert him to what was going on. I never gave him permission to call my husband, but the law says that he can breach confidentiality if he feels I am a danger to myself or others.
So could you explain what the situation is? Are you deemed psychotic and unable to make rational decisions? Are you persistently expressing suicidal intentions? What is the reason the hospital gives for not releasing you?
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 22, 2014, at 10:54:50
In reply to Re: Isnt it darn stupid to lock people up. » Lamdage22, posted by baseball55 on January 21, 2014, at 19:30:23
No i am deemed okay to go although i am thinking about killing myself. I used to feel sorry for my parents but that is not as big an issue anymore.
They easily could be way more supportive. And so could be a bunch of other people. They could have some goddamn compassion.
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 23, 2014, at 6:40:41
In reply to Re: Isnt it darn stupid to lock people up., posted by Partlycloudy on January 21, 2014, at 14:34:45
Sorry you are feeling this way cloudy.
Posted by Partlycloudy on January 23, 2014, at 8:23:45
In reply to Re: Isnt it darn stupid to lock people up., posted by Lamdage22 on January 23, 2014, at 6:40:41
> Sorry you are feeling this way cloudy.
It inhibits my ability to show the correct empathy and enter into meaningful discussions. Please know that you are heard. I think that is very important. We are not a bunch of Who's in WhoVille. We Are Here.
Also my cognitive skills are badly affected by depression. I would really like to be able to talk with you.
PC
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 23, 2014, at 11:42:05
In reply to Re: Isnt it darn stupid to lock people up. » Lamdage22, posted by Partlycloudy on January 23, 2014, at 8:23:45
Thats awful. Well it gives me some strength to carry on to hear that others fight the same battle.
It makes me feel less alone.
Posted by Partlycloudy on January 23, 2014, at 12:22:09
In reply to Re: Isnt it darn stupid to lock people up., posted by Lamdage22 on January 23, 2014, at 11:42:05
> Thats awful. Well it gives me some strength to carry on to hear that others fight the same battle.
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> It makes me feel less alone.Aw, none of us are alone in our battles. There are many different approached to treatment, and I don't believe there is a right way and wrong way. We are all so individual in our presentation of illness.
As to the subject of your thread, I and my healthcare team agree that anything that interrupts our treatment plan - medication, talk therapy, whatever it is - can only be harmful to the patient. Mental health education and understanding in all areas of the public is simply appalling.
(I usually hang out on the Social forum.)
Take care and let's talk any time.
PC
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 24, 2014, at 14:14:33
In reply to Re: Isnt it darn stupid to lock people up. » Lamdage22, posted by Partlycloudy on January 23, 2014, at 12:22:09
Maybe i was a little tough on my parents. They do the best they can. Unfortunately my mother doesnt have the emotional distance toward me to be able to support me.. She gets dragged down unlike my father.
Shes all over it. I will check out the social forum.
Posted by LostBoyinNC45 on March 1, 2014, at 10:30:30
In reply to Isnt it darn stupid to lock people up., posted by Lamdage22 on January 19, 2014, at 8:24:30
Based upon the number of psychiatric medications you are on, I'd say you might be better off in a locked psychiatric facility. Because taking that many medications, your treatment plan is so darn complicated you probably need 100% 24/7 inpatient care.
Also, I bet there is a lot of stuff in your life you are leaving out. Adults (those who are 18 and over) do not get "locked up" in psychiatric hospitals for just nothing. Repeated suicide attempts, past episodes of violence towards other people and inability to take care of yourself are all good reasons to lock up "the nuts."
also, locking up "the nuts" allows doctors to make sure "the nuts" are taking their meds as required. Particularly when an anti-psychotic or a mood stabilizer is needed to control psychosis or severe mood instability.
Take those crazy meds as required and stay away from booze and recreational street drugs and who know, you might not need to be "locked up!!!!"
Eric AKA "LostboyinNC"
> Am i the only one who thinks that locking people up if they are fed up with their lifes.
>
> I cant be my true self, i cant tell anyone how i really feel and thus im ever more lonely.
>
> And i bet that im not the only one. Being locked up for how i feel, this is far away from freedom.
>
> This makes me even more depressed and i believe if this was different, i may be able to recover because i could reach out. Like this everyones duty is to lock you up and violate your human rights.
>
> This issue delivers tremendous pain to me.
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