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Posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2010, at 8:13:52
In reply to Lou's additional response-wharekriminulz, posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2010, at 5:03:27
> > > Friends,
> > > If you have read some of the posts about me here, I am requesting that you view the following video. The video shows what may be unbeknownst to some and could IMHO offer more infomation and perhaps you may be able to use it in any furture post concerning posts here directed at me that you may respond to.
> > > Lou
> > > To see this video;
> > > A. pull up google
> > > B. Type in:
> > > [youtube, Becki's Story-stevens]
> > > you will see a picture of a lady with a green dress on and was uploaded by sjs survivor
> >
> > Frinends,
> > Here is another video that has infomation that I think could be helpful if you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads.
> > Lou
> > To see this video,
> > A. pull up google
> > B. Type in;
> > [youtube, 'Generation RX' Exclusives-Part 1]
> > you will see a picture of a crowd...2 min on Nov 24, 2008
> > Then there is part 2 and 3 and others
>
> Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads, I am requesting that you view the following video. The infomation in the video IMHO could be helpful in any post that you might make here.
> Lou
> To see this video,
> A. pull up google
> B. Type in:
> [youtube, The CandaceDowning Story]
> you will see a pic of a lady the time is 6 min posted on June4, 2008Friends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads, I am requesting that you view the following video. The infomation in the video could be used in any response thatyou post here.
Lou
To see this video,
A. Pull up google
B. Type in;
[Can Antidepressants cause viloence?]
you will see a pic of a lady..time is 10 min posted on May 8, 2017
Posted by europerep on October 23, 2010, at 8:32:25
In reply to Lou's additional response-khemimbhall, posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2010, at 8:13:52
Lou,
If you are considering being a participant in this forum, I am requesting that you communicate with us in a fashion that's commonly used for human interaction, such as words, in sentences that have meaningful content and do not end with a question mark.
Posted by johnj1 on October 23, 2010, at 9:58:47
In reply to Re: Lou's additional response-wharekriminulz » Lou Pilder, posted by europerep on October 23, 2010, at 6:22:53
I care about the videos. If lamictal caused the syndrome what is wrong with someone posting about it? Why does everyone on this site have to be pro-medication? Just because you take them and want to feel they are helping? Do you know how many people struggle with them here?
Unless it is an emergency situation medications should not be the first line treatment. Doctors just dole them out like candy so they don't have to spend the extra time with someone and help them get healthy. My wife went to her family doctor once for a mole on her face and came home with two different ssris!
I have been off all my medications for 3 years. Was it easy? Hell no, but guess what? I feel better now than I did on medications for all of those 15 years. I was misdiagnosed, told I was bipolar, depressed, anxious, had OCD, etc., and that I would need to be on meds for the rest of my life. Was it not for a very astute pyschiatrist that encouraged me to grow and take responsibility, eat right, and exercise I would still be on them and relying on them to get me through the day.
Posted by europerep on October 23, 2010, at 11:40:16
In reply to Re: Lou's additional response-wharekriminulz » europerep, posted by johnj1 on October 23, 2010, at 9:58:47
> I care about the videos. If lamictal caused the syndrome what is wrong with someone posting about it? Why does everyone on this site have to be pro-medication? Just because you take them and want to feel they are helping? Do you know how many people struggle with them here?
>
> Unless it is an emergency situation medications should not be the first line treatment. Doctors just dole them out like candy so they don't have to spend the extra time with someone and help them get healthy. My wife went to her family doctor once for a mole on her face and came home with two different ssris!
>
> I have been off all my medications for 3 years. Was it easy? Hell no, but guess what? I feel better now than I did on medications for all of those 15 years. I was misdiagnosed, told I was bipolar, depressed, anxious, had OCD, etc., and that I would need to be on meds for the rest of my life. Was it not for a very astute pyschiatrist that encouraged me to grow and take responsibility, eat right, and exercise I would still be on them and relying on them to get me through the day.
>See, and these are all great reasons for you to not take meds! Lou's "scare-tactics" of telling us how amphetamines are the most dangerous drug in the world and ADs in general cause hundreds of thousands of deaths each year are just not serious posting. it's not like he posted a link to a video once, and now everyone's complaining. it's all he does. producing "requests"... that's no serious way to contribute to a forum.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2010, at 14:04:52
In reply to Re: Lou's additional response-wharekriminulz » europerep, posted by johnj1 on October 23, 2010, at 9:58:47
> I care about the videos. If lamictal caused the syndrome what is wrong with someone posting about it? Why does everyone on this site have to be pro-medication? Just because you take them and want to feel they are helping? Do you know how many people struggle with them here?
>
> Unless it is an emergency situation medications should not be the first line treatment. Doctors just dole them out like candy so they don't have to spend the extra time with someone and help them get healthy. My wife went to her family doctor once for a mole on her face and came home with two different ssris!
>
> I have been off all my medications for 3 years. Was it easy? Hell no, but guess what? I feel better now than I did on medications for all of those 15 years. I was misdiagnosed, told I was bipolar, depressed, anxious, had OCD, etc., and that I would need to be on meds for the rest of my life. Was it not for a very astute pyschiatrist that encouraged me to grow and take responsibility, eat right, and exercise I would still be on them and relying on them to get me through the day.johnj1,
You wrote,[...I care about the videos...what is wrong with someone posting...do you know how many...My wife...but guess what? ...was it not for...].
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/health/20100104/msgs/944131.html
Posted by maxime on October 23, 2010, at 14:48:54
In reply to Lou's response-dasunovwreychiznez, posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2010, at 14:04:52
I wish you would respond to everyone's posts and not just the one that likes your videos.
Posted by gardenergirl on October 23, 2010, at 15:17:05
In reply to Re: Lou's response-dasunovwreychiznez » Lou Pilder, posted by maxime on October 23, 2010, at 14:48:54
This forum is a place where folks from all walks of life, with a variety of strengths and challenges, different backgrounds, habits, needs, etc. come for information, support, friendship, and community, among other reasons. We're not all going to get along. We're not all going to react the same way to the same posts. We're not all going to agree. We're not all going to have the same styles, abilities, behaviors, and/or habits of communicating. We do not all have the same ability and/or desire to adapt to others' requests.
We DO all, however, have one thing absolutely in common. We are ALL, each and everyone here, ALL WORTHY OF RESPECT as fellow human beings, and, I believe, as fellow travelers on this sometimes painful path to wellness.
I respectfully ask EVERYONE who finds themselves wishing to express something that fails to honor the mutual respect of others here to just stop. STOP! There is too much hate, hurt, and intolerance in this world as it is. PLEASE, let's not add to it in a place that is supposed to be haven of sorts.
If you believe that someone is doing a disservice or harm to others by their posting, I encourage you to bring it up privately, either via the notification system or babblemail to administration. If you think that another point of view needs to be expressed, express it. Contribute positively by adding information to the discussion instead of trying to prevent someone else's opposing point of view. We can only change our own behavior.
I am heartsick when I hear about recent suicides resulting from bullying. I believe we all deserve better, and I challenge the members of this community to be better than that.
Thanks for reading,
gg
Posted by johnj1 on October 23, 2010, at 15:39:35
In reply to Re: Lou's additional response-wharekriminulz » johnj1, posted by europerep on October 23, 2010, at 11:40:16
Don't open his threads then! Or how about not watching the videos? Ever think of that? Nope, I didn't think so.
Posted by 10derHeart on October 23, 2010, at 15:45:22
In reply to I am sad and appalled, posted by gardenergirl on October 23, 2010, at 15:17:05
Bravo, gg, bravo.
You rock and and I feel honored to know you.
Posted by europerep on October 23, 2010, at 16:16:16
In reply to I am sad and appalled, posted by gardenergirl on October 23, 2010, at 15:17:05
I am sorry to say that, but for me, this is a so typically American statement, that touts certain values and conceptions, but where I just do not see any link to a concrete situation and how to deal with it. Maybe it's the nature of this forum - I am obviously a very young poster here - but I have the impression that it's preferred to not openly, and perhaps emotionally, discuss a certain subject, but rather try to be all friends in this "haven". I don't think the world works that way. We have a poster who, in my eyes, disrespects other members of this board by treating them like children, with, and I repeat, statements and a general ideology that I consider *dangerous*. This is not something that is solved privately or through babblemail. Since Lou is not a new poster, I guess that those responsible have decided and will stay with their decision to accept his behavior, which is clearly unsocial to me, but I seem to be not alone in being frustrated with this. It's madness to me that there is even a discussion necessary on the point whether the posts Lou carelessly throws into discussions, disregarding any and every question/remark/comment/critic that others point out to him, are valid contributions to this forum. I am more "appalled" by how noone reacts to his behavior than by anything else.
As for the "don't read his posts"-thing. First, his posts are all over the place, but that isn't even the point. The point is not that I disagree with him, although I do of course, but how he destroys actual conversations and discussions, with a detrimental effect for all participants.
Anyhow, I guess I now have said so many things that "accuse" that I will be blocked for quite some time, but at least I spoke my mind.
Posted by Dinah on October 23, 2010, at 16:39:31
In reply to I am sad and appalled, posted by gardenergirl on October 23, 2010, at 15:17:05
Posted by maxime on October 23, 2010, at 19:22:35
In reply to Re: Lou's additional response-wharekriminulz » europerep, posted by johnj1 on October 23, 2010, at 15:39:35
> Don't open his threads then! Or how about not watching the videos? Ever think of that? Nope, I didn't think so.
I open the posts because I keep thinking that maybe there will be something different for once. But there never is. I don't watch the videos.
Posted by maxime on October 23, 2010, at 19:25:36
In reply to Re: I am sad and appalled » gardenergirl, posted by europerep on October 23, 2010, at 16:16:16
I agree with you on this one.
Posted by violette on October 23, 2010, at 19:57:06
In reply to I am sad and appalled, posted by gardenergirl on October 23, 2010, at 15:17:05
Posted by violette on October 23, 2010, at 19:59:51
In reply to I am sad and appalled, posted by gardenergirl on October 23, 2010, at 15:17:05
Hi Lou,
I think if you were inclined to share and discuss your story - your personal experience with psychiatric meds - people here might possibly be more receptive to your messages......
take care
Posted by violette on October 23, 2010, at 20:01:48
In reply to To Lou, posted by violette on October 23, 2010, at 19:59:51
...in reading your past threads, you just sound like a completely different person now than you were a few years ago...is there something you want to talk about??
Posted by gardenergirl on October 23, 2010, at 21:01:10
In reply to Re: I am sad and appalled » gardenergirl, posted by europerep on October 23, 2010, at 16:16:16
> I am sorry to say that, but for me, this is a so typically American statement, that touts certain values and conceptions, but where I just do not see any link to a concrete situation and how to deal with it.
I'm not sure I see exactly what's so "typically American" about my post, nor why that matters, but no worries. I chose not to identify specifically posts that led me to say what I did, because I did not want to accuse anyone of bullying or being unkind or otherwise uncivil by the site's standards. But to be as concrete as I can without doing so, when I put myself in Lou's shoes and read recent posts about him, I felt sad and appalled. If I were Lou, I'd certainly feel put down when reading some of these posts.
I struggle with chronic depression, social anxiety, and ADHD. There are many times when my behavior has been labelled by others as "lazy", "flaky", "self-centered", "moody", and so on. While I can certainly understand how my behaviors might appear this way to others, what bothers me is that there seems to be an assumption that I am *willfully* behaving that way, when in reality, I'm struggling just to function at all. Or it's assumed that I can simply choose to act another, more acceptable way upon command. While I do not claim that I am a slave to my disorders' effects, I also do not *willfully* suffer from them.
My point is this: without being inside Lou or anyone else's head, we can't know why they do the things they do, think the things they think, feel the things they feel. And since this is a mental health site, it's not at all a stretch to infer that folks posting here are more likely to be facing some sort of mental disorder than the general population.
> but I have the impression that it's preferred to not openly, and perhaps emotionally, discuss a certain subject, but rather try to be all friends in this "haven".
That not at all the prevailing wisdom. We all are welcome to disagree and to express disagreement as long as we do so without making statements that could lead others to feel accused or put down. The world may not "work that way", but Dr. Bob states that he expects this site to work that way. We are given the choice to abide or not, and we are made aware of the potential consequences of our choices.
May I suggest that one way to express your disagreement and to perhaps counter any potential "damage: you perceive may arise from other posts, you simply post your own perspective, knowledge, or experience about whatever the topic is. If someone posts that they believe a certain medication is dangerous, and your experience is different, say so. It's up to each of us to weigh all the information we are given and to decide for ourselves what we believe.
Here's an example. I see on the current boards and recall from past experience here that there have been numerous threads where Lou has posted in his usual way, and the discussion seems to go on "around him." The thread does not come to a screeching halt. Some folks acknowledge his post or respond in some way. Some folks don't. See, I'm posting an alternative experience. Your experience is valid for you. Mine is for me. Others may agree with me or with you, with both of us, or have a different experience altogether.
I think that's what makes these forums so valuable--the diversity of experiences, personalities, issues, etc. Take what works for you that you need and leave the rest.gg
Posted by maxime on October 23, 2010, at 22:36:10
In reply to Re: To Lou, posted by violette on October 23, 2010, at 20:01:48
> ...in reading your past threads, you just sound like a completely different person now than you were a few years ago...is there something you want to talk about??
Good approach. I tried it already and I received no response. :(
Posted by violette on October 23, 2010, at 23:27:27
In reply to Re: To Lou » violette, posted by maxime on October 23, 2010, at 22:36:10
I didn't realize you were so concerned as it seems parasuicidal behavior might be viewed as much more acceptable, justified, validated, and worthy of sympathy than others' behavior here...
Glad to know I'm not alone in reaching out to others. :)
Posted by morgan miller on October 24, 2010, at 7:02:37
In reply to Lou's additional response-khemimbhall, posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2010, at 8:13:52
Lou, what's up man? This is like Ground Hog Day bro. I really wish you would just speak to us. I want to give you a chance but your making things pretty difficult.
Posted by johnj1 on October 24, 2010, at 13:32:58
In reply to Re: I am sad and appalled » gardenergirl, posted by europerep on October 23, 2010, at 16:16:16
Thanks for the nice slight "Typcial American Post". You have some far fetched idea that this is a democracy here, it is not. You can generally agree and be support but if you disagree you will be labeled uncivil. I personally think the gloves should be off and we should be allowed to say what we feel but that is not reality here. That is why many good posters left. I believe you can say what you feel and I disagree with Lou on most points but the posting of the harm drugs can/do cause is not one of them.
Cheers
johnj
Posted by johnj1 on October 24, 2010, at 13:34:25
In reply to Re: Lou's additional response-wharekriminulz, posted by maxime on October 23, 2010, at 19:22:35
It seems like you answered your own question, the posts are always the same so now you don't have to open them just like a certain poster whom I ignore.
Posted by maxime on October 24, 2010, at 14:00:35
In reply to Re: To Lou » maxime, posted by violette on October 23, 2010, at 23:27:27
> I didn't realize you were so concerned as it seems parasuicidal behavior might be viewed as much more acceptable, justified, validated, and worthy of sympathy than others' behavior here...
>
> Glad to know I'm not alone in reaching out to others. :)I don't know what your first paragraph means. Do you mean I only post to get sympathy on this board? Because I assure you that I don't. I can carry on a discussion about something else. I just happen to go through periods when I am very suicidal and I am not doing it to get attention.
Posted by europerep on October 24, 2010, at 15:15:35
In reply to Re: I am sad and appalled » europerep, posted by gardenergirl on October 23, 2010, at 21:01:10
> I'm not sure I see exactly what's so "typically American" about my post, nor why that matters, but no worries. I chose not to identify specifically posts that led me to say what I did, because I did not want to accuse anyone of bullying or being unkind or otherwise uncivil by the site's standards. But to be as concrete as I can without doing so, when I put myself in Lou's shoes and read recent posts about him, I felt sad and appalled. If I were Lou, I'd certainly feel put down when reading some of these posts.
>don't worry, I get that you were talking to me ;).. what I meant was that, what you wrote, sounded good and all, and it could have been part of a speech pronounced by someone on MLK remembrance day or something - but it didn't do anything to further the debate, unless furthering the debate would be ending the debate.
> I struggle with chronic depression, social anxiety, and ADHD. There are many times when my behavior has been labelled by others as "lazy", "flaky", "self-centered", "moody", and so on. While I can certainly understand how my behaviors might appear this way to others, what bothers me is that there seems to be an assumption that I am *willfully* behaving that way, when in reality, I'm struggling just to function at all. Or it's assumed that I can simply choose to act another, more acceptable way upon command. While I do not claim that I am a slave to my disorders' effects, I also do not *willfully* suffer from them.
>And this is maybe where I see a difference. Every participation on these boards here is voluntary, and noone would call anyone lazy for not posting during some time, etc. Many times I have been on this board, and I disagreed with a post made by someone, but I felt so bad that I just wasn't able to write a constructive post - and so I didn't post. I think we are all adults here, and we can expect each other to have a least amount of self-awareness as for how we come across.
> My point is this: without being inside Lou or anyone else's head, we can't know why they do the things they do, think the things they think, feel the things they feel. And since this is a mental health site, it's not at all a stretch to infer that folks posting here are more likely to be facing some sort of mental disorder than the general population.
>But that is not the point. Recently I have several times disagreed with bleauberry, and sometimes it even frustrated me a little that he is so convinced that as soon as regular ADs don't work, it's lyme/fungi/etc.. Does that mean that I have a problem with him? of course not. I appreciate his posts, and when there is his name behind a post, I can be quite sure to have an interesting post with interesting arguments behind it, that I care to read even if I disagree. The question is the way it is presented. I imagine the board kind of like a room where people are in, sitting on chairs, and talking about all kinds of things. Regularly people leave for a moment, while others come in sharing their point of view. Lou comes in, issues a "request" for anyone "considering being a participant" in the discussion, then leaves. Then he comes in again, either doesn't even listen to what others have said, or replies to that by issuing the next request, and the next and the next and the next.. That kind of behavior, for me, ruins the whole atmosphere of this room, and if it is an accepted behavior in this room, then I am more or less likely to permanently leave, or drop by only rarely. I do not *want* to have to ignore certain people in a discussion round because their arrogant and condescending behavior just totally goes on my nerves. His contributions are not a proper way of discussing, and *any* other forum on this internet would agree with that.
> That not at all the prevailing wisdom. We all are welcome to disagree and to express disagreement as long as we do so without making statements that could lead others to feel accused or put down. The world may not "work that way", but Dr. Bob states that he expects this site to work that way. We are given the choice to abide or not, and we are made aware of the potential consequences of our choices.
>Yes, it's just that I find it sad that the site works that way, because, even if I have not been here for long, to me, it appears to be disintegrating.
> I think that's what makes these forums so valuable--the diversity of experiences, personalities, issues, etc. Take what works for you that you need and leave the rest.
>Yes, that would probably be an effective strategy, but when I registered for this forum, I thought there would maybe be some sort of community feeling possible, the way I experience it on other forums, but this seems very difficult to me here. I think that there are minimal standards for human conversation, and if Lou doesn't even consider it necessary to indicate a reason for why he ignores *everything* that others ask of him, such as explaining why he posts in his particular way, then I find that disrespectful, and I have not come here to be treated in this fashion.
Posted by europerep on October 24, 2010, at 15:16:16
In reply to Re: I am sad and appalled » europerep, posted by maxime on October 23, 2010, at 19:25:36
> I agree with you on this one.
Thanks, I didn't expect that one, but I do appreciate it. :)
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