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Posted by friedokra1 on November 1, 2009, at 23:53:53
Hello all, I am currently taking the following to help with my social-anxiety and brain fog that I feel I developed as a result of prior poly-drug experimentation (cocaine, mdma, alcohol, marijuana, dxm)
Does anything in the following list counteract with anything else in the list? It seems like a lot of stuff to take and their isn't available info on this particular combo. Thanks
Daytime:
Tianeptine - 12.5 mg 3-4 times daily for anxiety/mild depression
Vitamins C,D,E,B complex,
Alpha Lipolic Acid - 300-600 mg a day
Niacinamide on occasion ~1000 mg
Acetyl l-carnitine arginate
Creatine - for muscles (on workout days)
Flax oil,Fish oil - one tablespoon each a day
Calcium/magnesium
Oxiracetam - 800 mg
Piracetam - 1,000 mg (I have been cycling the racetams - and am concerned about the possibility that they may interact with some of these other substances, particularly tianeptine)
Alpha GPC - 300 mg on occasion
Green Vibrance (a really good green drink - google it if you don't know about it)Nighttime:
Melatonin - 2-5 mg. for sleep
Inositol - 1,000 mg. for sleep, anti-OCD, anti-anxiety, build GABA levels
Phenibut - on occasion for anxiety (this has been working really well) - I DON'T take this with inositol
Posted by friedokra1 on November 1, 2009, at 23:55:51
In reply to is this anti-anxiety/nootropic stack too much?, posted by friedokra1 on November 1, 2009, at 23:53:53
also I take Taurine on occasion
Posted by Phidippus on November 2, 2009, at 0:05:49
In reply to is this anti-anxiety/nootropic stack too much?, posted by friedokra1 on November 1, 2009, at 23:53:53
> Tianeptine - 12.5 mg 3-4 times daily for anxiety/mild depression
I would use Gabitril instead, as Tianaptine is going to provide more seratonin and glutamate enhancing effects, which your Piracetam/Oxirecetam already does. I use Gabitril alongside my Keppra (another cetam) and it works wonderfully. Gabitril is a GABA reuptake inhibitor and might also compliment your inositol.
> Oxiracetam - 800 mg
> Piracetam - 1,000 mg (I have been cycling the racetams - and am concerned about the possibility that they may interact with some of these other substances, particularly tianeptine)Why both?
> Nighttime:
Gabitril also works well at night, improving stage 4 sleep.
P
Posted by friedokra1 on November 2, 2009, at 0:22:45
In reply to Re: is this anti-anxiety/nootropic stack too much? » friedokra1, posted by Phidippus on November 2, 2009, at 0:05:49
I don't take the piracetam and oxiractam together - I cycle them.
i really love tianeptine though - tianeptine I thought reduces serotonin levels.
Posted by friedokra1 on November 2, 2009, at 0:29:06
In reply to Re: is this anti-anxiety/nootropic stack too much? » friedokra1, posted by Phidippus on November 2, 2009, at 0:05:49
Phidippus,
why do you use Keprracetam?
is Gabitril anything like Gabapentin?
Posted by Phidippus on November 2, 2009, at 1:18:39
In reply to Re: is this anti-anxiety/nootropic stack too much?, posted by friedokra1 on November 2, 2009, at 0:29:06
> why do you use Keprracetam?
I have epilepsy.
> is Gabitril anything like Gabapentin?
No, Gabapentin is a GABA analogue and Gabitril is an SGRI - selective gaba reuptake inhibitor
P
Posted by Phidippus on November 2, 2009, at 1:19:34
In reply to Re: is this anti-anxiety/nootropic stack too much?, posted by friedokra1 on November 2, 2009, at 0:22:45
Tianeptine is an SSRE - selective seratonin reuptake enhancer.
P
Posted by linkadge on November 2, 2009, at 9:04:43
In reply to is this anti-anxiety/nootropic stack too much?, posted by friedokra1 on November 1, 2009, at 23:53:53
I'd say. You are trying to repair polysubstance abuse with polysubstance abuse :)
Linkadge
Posted by Phillipa on November 2, 2009, at 11:25:14
In reply to Re: is this anti-anxiety/nootropic stack too much?, posted by linkadge on November 2, 2009, at 9:04:43
Link why would you want to down serotonin? I don't know. Thanks Phillipa
Posted by hopefullynow on November 4, 2009, at 0:28:25
In reply to is this anti-anxiety/nootropic stack too much?, posted by friedokra1 on November 1, 2009, at 23:53:53
Hy friedokral,
I read that you're working up, I also, too.Even at low doses of Tianeptine (12.5/day), I felt major muscle and general weakness,tendon pains even with moderate to high dose of Creatine.All racetams exacerbated that all-body weaknesses used in conjuntion with Tian, or sepparately.I think it have something to do with cortisol and/or glutamate levels (way too low?).Dunno, did you felt/feel the same?Tianeptine really helped with social anxiety and brain fog but after a few days I felt like a jelly, impossible to involve in phisical activities.Bad
regards
> Tianeptine - 12.5 mg 3-4 times daily for anxiety/mild depression
> Vitamins C,D,E,B complex,
> Alpha Lipolic Acid - 300-600 mg a day
> Niacinamide on occasion ~1000 mg
> Acetyl l-carnitine arginate
> Creatine - for muscles (on workout days)
> Flax oil,Fish oil - one tablespoon each a day
> Calcium/magnesium
> Oxiracetam - 800 mg
> Piracetam - 1,000 mg (I have been cycling the racetams - and am concerned about the possibility that they may interact with some of these other substances, particularly tianeptine)
> Alpha GPC - 300 mg on occasion
> Green Vibrance (a really good green drink - google it if you don't know about it)
>
> Nighttime:
>
> Melatonin - 2-5 mg. for sleep
> Inositol - 1,000 mg. for sleep, anti-OCD, anti-anxiety, build GABA levels
> Phenibut - on occasion for anxiety (this has been working really well) - I DON'T take this with inositol
>
>
Posted by friedokra1 on November 4, 2009, at 16:26:46
In reply to Re: is this anti-anxiety/nootropic stack too much? » friedokra1, posted by hopefullynow on November 4, 2009, at 0:28:25
Hi,
I haven't had any problems at the gym since I have started Tianeptine - if anything I have been able to lift more weight recently - though I have been taking a caffeine supplement called Jack3d (bad for anxiety I know).
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