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Posted by Christy Sales on October 7, 2000, at 22:30:09
will it help at all for depression, anxiety, & mania?
or will it worsen things for me, my dr.has just prescribed it, and I've been told it's dangerous for manic depression.
Posted by Sigolene on October 8, 2000, at 2:00:10
In reply to DOES ANYONE TAKE RITALIN FOR ANYTHING BESIDES ADD?, posted by Christy Sales on October 7, 2000, at 22:30:09
I also recieve Ritalin for ADD and depression, without other med (except amisulpride). It works for depression, and i don't become manic. But the problem is it has a too short life time and i have to take one every 2 hours. But in US you have the sustained release version which could be better. Just try it and you'll see what's happen. If it was dangerous they wouldn't give it to children.
Sigolène
> will it help at all for depression, anxiety, & mania?
> or will it worsen things for me, my dr.has just prescribed it, and I've been told it's dangerous for manic depression.
Posted by noa on October 8, 2000, at 9:31:39
In reply to Re: DOES ANYONE TAKE RITALIN FOR ANYTHING BESIDES ADD?, posted by Sigolene on October 8, 2000, at 2:00:10
YEs, I take it as an adjunct to my antidepressants. It is not uncommon to use stimulants to augment antidepressant therapy.
BTW, in the Thyroid and Depression folder at the PBtips page at egroups--link in intro at top of this page--there is an article on stimulants for anergic depression in a case of hypothyroid.
I currently take the sustained release ritalin (generic), which lasts about 4 hours, instead of the 2.5 hours that the regular did. They are both supposed to last longer, but I didn't think so. The sustained is better for me because I don't get the sudden "rebound" loss of energy and irritablity that came between doses of the regular. I had taken 10 mg regular 3 times a day, and now take 2 times 20 mg of the extended.However, I have been discussing with my pdoc trying adderall to see if it works better.
Posted by stjames on October 9, 2000, at 1:16:03
In reply to DOES ANYONE TAKE RITALIN FOR ANYTHING BESIDES ADD?, posted by Christy Sales on October 7, 2000, at 22:30:09
I've been told it's dangerous for manic depression.
James here.....In some people a stimulant will induce mania but I have also read about some stims anti-mania properties in some people. Keep in close contact with your doc and alert of any signs a manic phase migh be starting.
james
Posted by JohnL on October 10, 2000, at 4:23:47
In reply to DOES ANYONE TAKE RITALIN FOR ANYTHING BESIDES ADD?, posted by Christy Sales on October 7, 2000, at 22:30:09
> will it help at all for depression, anxiety, & mania?
> or will it worsen things for me, my dr.has just prescribed it, and I've been told it's dangerous for manic depression.In Dr Bob's Tips section there are doctors who feel stimulants are actually very safe for mania-prone people. In reality, any medication can trigger mania. Any.
In a population of 250 patients who got completely well, here are the percentages of those patients who found complete relief with a stimulant, either alone or as part of a blend...
Panic/anxiety 14%
Depression 12%
Suicidality 19%
Temper/Violence 14%
Bizarreness 3%
Hyperactivity 49%
Thyroid malfunction38%
Fatigue 38%
Alcoholism 14%
Hypnotic Addiction 39%
Heroin Addiction 30%
Cocaine Addiction 11%
Marijuana 11%
Nicotine 5%
Excess Coffee 18%
Creativity Aid 21%As you can see, stimulants can be helpful in a wide range of situations. They are probably most popular for treating ADD, and second most for adding onto an antidepressant if the antidepressant is not working completely. Many docs feel the mania risk with stimulants is actually lower than many other meds. As for anxiety, I think stimulants would create more anxiety for most people. But as the statistics show, it can instead be a cure with some. It all depends on what the underlying chemical imbalance is that's causing the symptoms in the first place.
Personally I found great benefits with Ritalin, except for the roller coaster ride. It's in and out of your system in about three hours. As it came and went I would feel great then bad. Continual dosing all day long was the only way to avoid the roller coaster. But then I built tolerance, so it didn't seem to do much anymore. That simply indicates that whatever chemistry is at fault with me, Ritalin was not the right choice to target it. For those people where Ritalin targets the problematic chemistry directly, it provides a good cure without the ups, downs, or tolerance that I experienced. Instead, they just feel normal. Which is good, since that's the whole goal anyway.
John
Posted by doug cater on October 10, 2000, at 5:00:44
In reply to Re: DOES ANYONE TAKE RITALIN FOR ANYTHING BESIDES ADD?, posted by stjames on October 9, 2000, at 1:16:03
Could anything be more lame than ritalin for boosting energy, concentration, basically jumpstarting those 'ol dopamine reptors to get ya going? I mean come on, it's the weeniest of amphetamines known to man withe about the half life of a housefly, more like a 1/16th life.Adderol is more appropriate if you're getting in the neighborhood of CNS stimulents. Or why not follow Dr. Bob's advice, as posted clearly on his website and go all the way withe the much maligned desoxyn aka methamphetaphine which he says has considerably less side effects and a distly more expansive window of clarity. Oaaf course, it's been demonized because anything that works well may encourage the user to llcontinue using it, as opposed to something that starts to feel bad fairly quickly, thereby discouraging any sustained ingestion, but the fact that something feels good shouldn't necessarily be reason for prohibiting it.
Posted by MarkinBoston on October 11, 2000, at 17:17:36
In reply to Re: DOES ANYONE TAKE RITALIN FOR ANYTHING BESIDES ADD?, posted by doug cater on October 10, 2000, at 5:00:44
Dude, You'll get more buzz from Ritalin if you crush and snort it. The average absorbtion rate is only 30% when you swallow. So, if you can only sore Ritalin, snort it along with lots of coffee, Dexatrim, E, and MaHuang. Make sure the rave is near a hospital in case you heart rate and body temperature freaks and you stroke out or get real, real paranoid. Note, this is a sarcastic response and not offered as medical advice because you sound like a cop baiting people or a recreational drug user.
You may be at the wrong website. People here would love to just have a "normal" life. Party drug sites are elsewhere.
I have to agree with you that the FDA/DEA doesn't want people to have drugs that make them feel good or look good or take money away from the big political donators like drug companies, tobacco companies, alchohol companies, and the AMA. They are in it for the Benjamins. Like, why is Benedry sold over the counter where any kid can buy it and drive impaired, but he can't buy a couple beers and be just as impaired? Yet, you gotta go pay for a MD visit and then much more money for Claritin which is much safer and ought to be sold over the counter like it is in Canada. Another example is Prilosec for heartburn, that's expensive, safe, and requires a script, while Tagamet has many bad side effects including depression and lowering testosterone, and many bad drug interactions. The one with the allergy drug Seldane was so dangerous that Seldane was taken off the market. Seldane probably lost out to Tagamet because Tagamet made more money.
The FDA makes it so expensive to get approval for each use of a med that it seldom happens. Ritalin helps me when added to anti-depression drugs, even at a relatively low dose. Maybe I should have been diagnosed for ADD, but whatever, it helps.
> Could anything be more lame than ritalin for boosting energy, concentration, basically jumpstarting those 'ol dopamine reptors to get ya going? I mean come on, it's the weeniest of amphetamines known to man withe about the half life of a housefly, more like a 1/16th life.Adderol is more appropriate if you're getting in the neighborhood of CNS stimulents. Or why not follow Dr. Bob's advice, as posted clearly on his website and go all the way withe the much maligned desoxyn aka methamphetaphine which he says has considerably less side effects and a distly more expansive window of clarity. Oaaf course, it's been demonized because anything that works well may encourage the user to llcontinue using it, as opposed to something that starts to feel bad fairly quickly, thereby discouraging any sustained ingestion, but the fact that something feels good shouldn't necessarily be reason for prohibiting it.
Posted by pullmarine on October 12, 2000, at 0:56:55
In reply to DOES ANYONE TAKE RITALIN FOR ANYTHING BESIDES ADD?, posted by Christy Sales on October 7, 2000, at 22:30:09
Although i think these labels are idiotic constructs with little or no scientific basis. amphetamines can be used for both depression and bipolar illness. but watch out, ritalin can also cause psychosis and mania. make sure you're under tight supervision.
john
Posted by doug cater on October 13, 2000, at 7:40:52
In reply to doug carter = narc?, posted by MarkinBoston on October 11, 2000, at 17:17:36
Whence the insult? I simply stated that Dr. Bob has posted the advantages of desoxyn over adderall in terms of side effects, come down, jangled nerves. MarkBoston=0?
Posted by doug cater on October 13, 2000, at 7:44:46
In reply to doug carter = narc?, posted by MarkinBoston on October 11, 2000, at 17:17:36
Sorry, I re-read your posting and I realize it's coming from the point of view of someone on the Mainland whereas here in Hawaii, you can get whatever you want, and hence follow up on Dr. Bob's advice about the optimal catalyst for ADD.
Posted by shar on October 15, 2000, at 10:52:06
In reply to Re: doug carter = narc?, posted by doug cater on October 13, 2000, at 7:44:46
Doug,
Sorry, and I am laughing at this situation, but I was also suspicious of the posts. I was not about to answer the type of question you were asking.I was not laughing at you as a person, you know, but just at how I perceived your question/comments as suspicious. Probably left over from my old hippie days or something.
Shar
> Sorry, I re-read your posting and I realize it's coming from the point of view of someone on the Mainland whereas here in Hawaii, you can get whatever you want, and hence follow up on Dr. Bob's advice about the optimal catalyst for ADD.
Posted by doug cater on October 15, 2000, at 23:34:41
In reply to doug carter = narc? LOL--I sort of thought so too, posted by shar on October 15, 2000, at 10:52:06
God, if Narcs really are patrolling about the internet seas like sharks, I'm doomed. I didn't intend for my whole name to be on my posts, just put it there when I registered and then couldn't change it. If discretion is the better part of valor , then I'm a litttle low on valor. Funny you lguys should be worried about me, I'm the one who has published a signed confession.
Posted by shar on October 16, 2000, at 10:58:17
In reply to Re: doug carter = narc? LOL--I sort of thought so too, posted by doug cater on October 15, 2000, at 23:34:41
Yeah, I do think they'd have better luck elsewhere, unless they have a lot of extra time for busting people who are getting things like anti-depressants, etc. I wonder if ADs are included in the zero tolerance laws?
Oh, you could probably re-register using a different name for posting. Like maybe D. Cater so then nobody would have any idea who you are. LOL. But it's true, I think, about re-registering.
Shar
> God, if Narcs really are patrolling about the internet seas like sharks, I'm doomed. I didn't intend for my whole name to be on my posts, just put it there when I registered and then couldn't change it. If discretion is the better part of valor , then I'm a litttle low on valor. Funny you lguys should be worried about me, I'm the one who has published a signed confession.
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