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Posted by drexx on November 6, 2003, at 5:33:49
In reply to subutex use in H withdrawal, posted by aussie girl on August 23, 2003, at 2:08:39
please help me.....i'm thinking of trying subutex for the first time but i'm getting mixed feelings from everyone i ask. please give me a 'real' idea of what to expect.......i have a i.v habit of some 15 years and i'm at the stage where my use is steady(going up and down a little with stress levels!!!) and a case of maintenance as i now don't assotiate with any users and have to hide it from everyone. this is really hard as you can imagine as i have to try to appear normal to prevent my 'new' friends from turning on me. i have even found myself condemning drug users when the subject arrises!!! it is like living a double life and i'm hoping that subutex can bring me off without looking to bad outwardly. is anyone in the same position out there. i have noone to talk about this with and it is eating me up inside. plese help!!!
Posted by Caleb462 on November 6, 2003, at 22:25:35
In reply to Re: subutex use in H withdrawal » aussie girl, posted by drexx on November 6, 2003, at 5:33:49
> please help me.....i'm thinking of trying subutex for the first time but i'm getting mixed feelings from everyone i ask. please give me a 'real' idea of what to expect.......i have a i.v habit of some 15 years and i'm at the stage where my use is steady(going up and down a little with stress levels!!!) and a case of maintenance as i now don't assotiate with any users and have to hide it from everyone. this is really hard as you can imagine as i have to try to appear normal to prevent my 'new' friends from turning on me. i have even found myself condemning drug users when the subject arrises!!! it is like living a double life and i'm hoping that subutex can bring me off without looking to bad outwardly. is anyone in the same position out there. i have noone to talk about this with and it is eating me up inside. plese help!!!
Personally, I have heard almost all positive things about subutex treatment. I suggest you go to the alt.drugs.hard newsgroup and ask the posters there... you will find many people who can answer your questions, and many people to relate to.
Posted by sandoz_pharm on November 9, 2003, at 16:41:24
In reply to Re: subutex use in H withdrawal, posted by Caleb462 on November 6, 2003, at 22:25:35
I just posted something re: to subutex, actually suboxone to another thread on this board (to splitinit). My experience is that it is very effective, especially for a week or two of detox. It will make things a LOT easier. It has a slight withdrawl associated with just getting off of it, but it is much easier than heroin or methadone obviously. I have had entirely positive experiences with it, but if you are not committed to your recovery from your heroin habit, you will not get better. Thats an entirely different issue of course. Best of luck and don't worry about the medication. Ask your doctor, but in my experience, buprenorphine (either subutex or suboxone) treatment is wonderfully effective. Heroin withdrawl really is a 2 week process though, so don't stop medication too quickly, and addressing some of the underlying causes of your addiction REALLY HELPS (whether its through psychiatry or changing attitudes and behaviors).
-Luke
Posted by drexx on November 10, 2003, at 5:23:35
In reply to Re: subutex use in H withdrawal, posted by sandoz_pharm on November 9, 2003, at 16:41:24
> I just posted something re: to subutex, actually suboxone to another thread on this board (to splitinit). My experience is that it is very effective, especially for a week or two of detox. It will make things a LOT easier. It has a slight withdrawl associated with just getting off of it, but it is much easier than heroin or methadone obviously. I have had entirely positive experiences with it, but if you are not committed to your recovery from your heroin habit, you will not get better. Thats an entirely different issue of course. Best of luck and don't worry about the medication. Ask your doctor, but in my experience, buprenorphine (either subutex or suboxone) treatment is wonderfully effective. Heroin withdrawl really is a 2 week process though, so don't stop medication too quickly, and addressing some of the underlying causes of your addiction REALLY HELPS (whether its through psychiatry or changing attitudes and behaviors).
>
> -Luke
>
THANKS PEOPLE, you have really set my mind at ease....as for being commited to my recovery luke, i have been through several residential rehabs, staying clean for a year after one, so obviously i have all the 'tools' that i need to stay clean. but the difference this time is the fact that, for the first time ever(well 15 years of using, eight of those i.v.) i am doing this detox because 'I' want to. i have always, in the past, tried to get clean for someone else, girlfriends, kids, family ect.. This time i have it firmly in my head that i must get clean for ME!!!! obviously my wife, kids, and just about anyone who comes into contact with me will 'benefit' from the 'new and improved' me!!! but when you get right down to it, it's me that will get the most out of my doing this and making it stay 'done'!!!!! and also, for the first time, i've got so much to lose where before i had nothing but my using. I have recently married a beautiful and supportive girl with whom I have two gorgeous kids, Emily(2) and jhonny(1), and we are expecting another baby, whose sex we discover later today!!, in march of next year. my life has changed to the point where i have no contact with anyone to do with heroin exept for the one source i have to purchase. it is basically the only part of my old life that is hangong on for dear life with its claws sunk deep. it has been hard work to move away from all the old faces and vices but with this new hope that subutex is the right choice i'm hoping to execute the final part of my transformation to a 'normal' person. (within reason of course!!!!!!!) thanks luke
Posted by paul uk on September 7, 2004, at 22:49:37
In reply to Re: subutex use in H withdrawal » aussie girl, posted by drexx on November 6, 2003, at 5:33:49
iv been on subutex 4 3 weeks an stopped 4 days ago an when u first go on it u go thru cold sweats 4 2-3 days approx.... then subutex kicks in, ten u hav to reduce dosage,,, u feel a bit shit but u cope with it, i lived in uk n moved 2 spain 2 get away from drugs like H o i know... i was on £50 a da habit but 1/2gram per day,,, u can do it, iv stopped takin subutex an it is takin 4 days 2 get over it,, but its nothin as bad as a cold turkey,,,, let me know how u do n go on Paul26lpool@aol.com
Posted by paul uk on September 7, 2004, at 22:53:47
In reply to Re: subutex use in H withdrawal » sandoz_pharm, posted by drexx on November 10, 2003, at 5:23:35
> > I just posted something re: to subutex, actually suboxone to another thread on this board (to splitinit). My experience is that it is very effective, especially for a week or two of detox. It will make things a LOT easier. It has a slight withdrawl associated with just getting off of it, but it is much easier than heroin or methadone obviously. I have had entirely positive experiences with it, but if you are not committed to your recovery from your heroin habit, you will not get better. Thats an entirely different issue of course. Best of luck and don't worry about the medication. Ask your doctor, but in my experience, buprenorphine (either subutex or suboxone) treatment is wonderfully effective. Heroin withdrawl really is a 2 week process though, so don't stop medication too quickly, and addressing some of the underlying causes of your addiction REALLY HELPS (whether its through psychiatry or changing attitudes and behaviors).
> >
> > -Luke
> >
> THANKS PEOPLE, you have really set my mind at ease....as for being commited to my recovery luke, i have been through several residential rehabs, staying clean for a year after one, so obviously i have all the 'tools' that i need to stay clean. but the difference this time is the fact that, for the first time ever(well 15 years of using, eight of those i.v.) i am doing this detox because 'I' want to. i have always, in the past, tried to get clean for someone else, girlfriends, kids, family ect.. This time i have it firmly in my head that i must get clean for ME!!!! obviously my wife, kids, and just about anyone who comes into contact with me will 'benefit' from the 'new and improved' me!!! but when you get right down to it, it's me that will get the most out of my doing this and making it stay 'done'!!!!! and also, for the first time, i've got so much to lose where before i had nothing but my using. I have recently married a beautiful and supportive girl with whom I have two gorgeous kids, Emily(2) and jhonny(1), and we are expecting another baby, whose sex we discover later today!!, in march of next year. my life has changed to the point where i have no contact with anyone to do with heroin exept for the one source i have to purchase. it is basically the only part of my old life that is hangong on for dear life with its claws sunk deep. it has been hard work to move away from all the old faces and vices but with this new hope that subutex is the right choice i'm hoping to execute the final part of my transformation to a 'normal' person. (within reason of course!!!!!!!) thanks luke
>paul here how long did subutex take 2 get out system??? iv stopped 4 days now n still feel bad??? im in spain now was in uk but moved 4 a new life. advise if any1 knows ??? paul26lpool@aol.com
Posted by so far so good on September 8, 2004, at 0:21:22
In reply to Re: subutex use in H withdrawal, posted by paul uk on September 7, 2004, at 22:53:47
I did bupe ,for oxycontin . I was down for three to four days . After last dose. The second day after last dose is when the w/ds started . NOTHING LIKE W/D FROM OC . I also had clonidine prescibed and valium . I think that was my life saver. I slept for three days almost.
Posted by paul uk on September 8, 2004, at 4:18:32
In reply to Re: subutex use in H withdrawal, posted by so far so good on September 8, 2004, at 0:21:22
> I did bupe ,for oxycontin . I was down for three to four days . After last dose. The second day after last dose is when the w/ds started . NOTHING LIKE W/D FROM OC . I also had clonidine prescibed and valium . I think that was my life saver. I slept for three days almost.
iv reduced myself on self detox from 2.5mg to 0.4,,,, over 3 weks an iv been off it 4 days an i am sufering iv not took anything else, tried vodka but felt sick! just hope it ends soon :( thanks for advice!!!
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 9, 2004, at 0:31:01
In reply to Re: subutex use in H withdrawal, posted by paul uk on September 7, 2004, at 22:49:37
> u feel a bit sh[*]t but u cope with it
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