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Posted by galkeepinon on September 22, 2003, at 22:51:38
This has been brought up in previous threads, but maybe some newcomers AND people here can shed light and also, I needed to post about this.
I am scared. I weighed myself tonight~228 Lbs.
I don't know if I need to seek psychological help for a specialist in Eating Disorders or what. What scared me is that my highest weight was 247. But even more (and this is a little personal) I noticed previous stretch marks turning slightly pink/red. And that has sent me into a depression concerning the way I am addicted to food, AND cigarettes. Why the 2 correlate here, I'm not sure.
I have been getting milkshakes from Jack in the Box every night for the past 2 weeks, I am smoking almost 2 packs of cigarettes a day now. What in the heck is wrong with me? Do I not care about my body and what may be in store for me down the road? I guess not obviously. I know this is psychological~I didn't know where to put this post so I put it here because I am truly an ADDICT, and I am scared S***less!!!!
I know I won't get sympathy from anyone if I whine about this, that's not what I want. I really, truly, honestly need some feedback as to what ANYONE thinks I should do? I am open to ALL posts, good, bad, the hard flat out truth, anything. I can't go on like this anymore. I can't find the courage to even *start* a brand new morning saying okay, I am going to change my life starting today in my attitude towards food, my weight, my body image, etc.. That day hasn't come in my life yet. I have tried OA in the past, but the thing is here is that I CANNOT GET MYSELF MOVING. I haven't gone to an OA meeting in a long time to even start working on my addiction/problem. Where do I look for the answers to the fear that I have? I believe a one-on-one psychological work is better for me~I really don't know. (see how confused I am, I just contradicted my words)
My heart is aching because I constantly compare myself and even though there is that saying 'never compare yourself to others' the fact of the matter is that I am. All I do is sit on the dang sidelines~never taking action. Which leads me to think either
1) I don't want it bad enough or
2) I need to either accept the fat, not try, who cares 'attitude'
It's just really bothering me tonight, I'm afraid for my health as well as my life if I don't do something soon. I'm scared, I need help.
Anyone, Anything would be grately appreciated concerning this post. I am not a religious person rather a spiritual one , but I even sent out a prayer request to Joyce Meyer~Life In The Word, an organization I am affiliated with, to ask for courage and strength~Why does God not hear my plea????? Am I missing something????
Now I'm starting to question if there really is a God. Does 'God helps those who help themselves"???
I am so sad. Maybe I needed to vent.
I appreciate anyone who took the time to read my post~thank you.
I don't know where to turn.
Please help me.
Posted by Festus on September 23, 2003, at 0:08:06
In reply to I Am Really, Really Scared, posted by galkeepinon on September 22, 2003, at 22:51:38
Howdy Gal! You don,t sound too content tonight.(Man,what a stupid way to start this reply,let me try another sentence...)anyway,for what this is worth,the FIRST step in solvin a problem,is realizin ya got one!OK,you,re eatin too much and smokin too much,right?Which is the lesser of the 2 evils to you?The one you pick should be the one you try to tackle first.There are so many things to try,but be realistic.You gotta start a a place you can handle.Do you see a Dr.?If so,what is he/she saying?If not,why not?It,s time to square off with these issues and kick their butts out of your life.Anyone that reads what you just wrote can see plain-as-day you ain,t gonna put up with these negative areas of your life no more!Question is,what is the Best first step for YOU to take?Maybe your above post was the first step.I no more than got to the end and could,nt reply fast enough!Betcha git a pile more of replies,too!Hey,there ya go.let your post be the first step!Sit back for a day or so and check replies for different ideas and stuff.Let us know about the Dr. question,that,s kinda important if we know if you are talkin to a doc about your problems.Could be maybe a certain medication or two could get you goin,a certain post or suggestion you get over the next few days.Just be persistent and remember what you wrote and how you felt tonight.Let that be the catalyst that turns this around for you.You can do whatever you want to do,if you set up a plan with a doc,a friend,2 friends,or both or whatever,and make it a plan that is workable and realistic for YOUR SPECIFIC NEEDS!!I will be checkin on you,and you can bet your britches,so wil others!One more thing,Darlin,God hears your prayers,He just don,t always answer em when and how you think He might!I won,t preach,lets just say I got some stellar examples that have happened to where there,s no doubt whatsoever,He,s out there and He,s checkin on you,too!! Love,Festus
Posted by kara lynne on September 23, 2003, at 0:51:38
In reply to I Am Really, Really Scared, posted by galkeepinon on September 22, 2003, at 22:51:38
Hi gal,
I just wanted you to know that you are not alone. Although I'm not struggling with the same specific things that you are I can completely relate to the alarm that you're describing about your situation--and the paralysis around it. You would think that that fear would propel us into action--but of course it only makes the paralysis worse.Although it sounds like the most impossible thing in the world, completely contrary to everything that you're feeling, I am *told* that what will bring us into action is love instead of fear. I know it sounds so trite, but I'm trying to at least consider the idea for myself. My counselor tells me I am waiting to get somewhere before I will love myself, and the job is to love myself anyway, no matter what, right now--to get anywhere. Before *anything*. Before one pound, one job, one relationship. I know it's hard gal. My counselor also says that while she doesn't use this word very often, she considers comparison to be 'evil'. Its so hard not to get trapped in the evils of comparison. I do it everyday. But I try to remember that we are just so different in our life experience that it doesn't make sense to compare. And even though we're all so unique we share the common bond of the pain of suffering.
Do you have one friend you can talk to honestly and share your heart ache? Can you get a therapist--or do you have one? Are there any on-line O.A. groups you can peruse until you feel safe enough to get to one?
When I see you wonder if you 'don't want it bad enough' it makes me cringe. We're taught to punish ourselves this way and it doesn't do a d*amn thing for us. I hear your suffering. You want it. It's just that the fear and shame can be so paralyzing.
I wish I had more to offer you. This is so frustrating because I know so many of us would find faith and hope and a common bond in each other if we could meet. I would go to a meeting with you! Yet here I am sitting at my computer feeling as isolated as you are. But maybe people can share what helped them--give you some suggestions and something, one small thing will click. That's all it takes.
Galkeepinon is a loyal supporter to so many people here. She is a person who should be treated with the same kindness and respect she shows everyone else here.
I am holding you in my thoughts tonight.
(((((galkeepinon))))))
Posted by rayww on September 23, 2003, at 5:32:15
In reply to I Am Really, Really Scared, posted by galkeepinon on September 22, 2003, at 22:51:38
I know you won't want to hear what I have to say, but know that I have read your post and care deeply. I have two brothers who are caught in the traps that you describe. I know how much you want to escape and wish I had the answers you need to hear, but I don't. If I did, I'm sure my brothers would have listened by now. But they haven't. ONe brother stood at the door of the operating room and saw our father die on the table. He has never been willing to take counselling, and has been messed up ever since, shooting himself over and over again so to speak, but never dieing. I am frustrated too.
ONe reason I am so frustrated with their situation is because they have had it all, but rejected it. Threw it away as though it was trash. If only they knew what it was they were throwing in the garbage.
I have not read this board before tonight, but I woke in the middle of the night with the flu and haven't been able to get back to sleep, so I read through most of the threads here. I feel such compassion for your struggles, all of you. I have never had a substance addiction, but have had another kind, so I do understand addiction. I learned I could use fantasy to pleasure my husband, and without going into detail, that almost cost me my marriage and my salvation. But it didn't. I was able to beat it, though it has been a life long battle. I was born without a vagina and through reconstruction, was able to have children, etc, but had to fantasize to overcome the pain of intercourse, and am married to a wonderful man who likes lots, who did not understand at all the reasons why and who pushed me over the mental and physical edge so many times until i fell to the addiction.
I have seen so many miracles when people come into the church, so why can't my brothers follow their family and join in? I don't know. I guess it has to be spiritually driven. They have to have had such a strong witness that it is true in order to get motivated. What a deal though, it takes at least 10 years off your looks, and adds that many to your life. A religion that has the power to change a person's looks and over power any addiction,,, I just can't see why everyone doesn't want it. I absolutely know it's the truth and the power, I've seen so many miraculous recoveries through the power of the priesthood. I've been posting over on Faith for a few months, but I've never been this bold over there. I don't usually say how I feel about it, but even though there are many who have tried and not succeeded in it, and even though there are many who have been in it and chosen to leave, it is still the only religion with the true priesthood power to save us from our own addictions. Meaning, to empower us to rise above it ourselves.
It is such a hard journey. I pray for you tonight that you might find some sorce of direction and hope. You certainly are most deserving of that, and I'm sure God is mindful of you and these struggles. Sometimes He is just standing behind the door waiting for you to open it, that near. My advice, stay near the door until you are able to open it. He won't be the one to move away, He never does. But He has rules and is very strict. It's a tough journey, but worth it. Take courage and hope. Pray always. If you fall let God catch you. Just break (submit) yourself into His eternal care. He will not abandon you. I promise!
Now I'm going to be embarrassed for writing what I did, so I'll probably not come back to read the rest of this. If I get blocked for saying I know the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is true, or if I offend, I can only say that sometimes I have to stand up for what I believe with all my heart, is the answer to life's greatest challenges.
Posted by Susan J on September 23, 2003, at 13:57:10
In reply to I Am Really, Really Scared, posted by galkeepinon on September 22, 2003, at 22:51:38
Hiya,
I already posted to your other thread up top. You didn't respond so I don't know if you saw it or if you didn't find it helpful at all. Both are perfectly fine. I just really feel for you because I feel the same. I wish I could help.
So at the risk of bugging you by repeating what I said before, I'm just going to include a couple of things..
1. What type of meds are you taking? Many are notorious for weight gain. I recommend Wellbutrin, it's helping me get rid of the weight I gained on Paxil, and it obviously helps for smoking if you haven't already tried it.
2. You mentioned Dr. Phil. I think that's a great series he's putting together. I say tape his shows and watch them repeatedly if necesary when you are feeling bummed. He motivates me, perhaps he'll motivate you.
3. If you suffer from depression, it makes losing weight doubly hard.
4. Baby steps. Day by day. Try not getting a shake tonight but don't berate yourself for smoking today. Or smoke a couple fewer cigarettes and don't berate yourself for still getting the shake. Just do a little bit, a little success. And then be proud of that little success. Don't look at the big picture. Once you break the habit of the shakes, you'll feel so much better. Once you get the 2pack a day habit down to a pack and a half, you'll feel so much better.But trying to change your life, change your self-image, change your smoking habits, and lose significant amounts of weight ALL AT THE SAME TIME is enough to scare anyone into not doing anything!
Baby steps. No shake today. If you can't cut it out completely, instead get an icecream cone at McDonalds if there's one near you. They're low-fat and nowhere near the number of calories as a shake, yet still feel like a treat.
You can do it. Keep watching Dr. Phil. I think he's helpful in the psychological aspect of it, too..Good luck, I'm rooting for you (and me, too). I'm fighting the urge to go downstairs and get some M&Ms from the candy machine right now...
:-)
Susan
Posted by madwand on September 23, 2003, at 20:03:02
In reply to I Am Really, Really Scared, posted by galkeepinon on September 22, 2003, at 22:51:38
Hi Gal,
I am a bit late to the thread, but just want to reiterate one thing that has been mentioned a couple of times. You can't beat it all at once. I know that is easy to say and hard to do (this is from someone often can't decide whether to take out the trash or wash the dishes and ends up doing neither!)
But believe me it is true. It might even mean being willing to see one problem get worse for a while, if it means the other one is really under control.
Have you ever worked with dialoging with parts of yourself? Perhaps if the "you" who wants a healthier body and the "you" would would rather just eat and smoke could sit down at a "virtual" conference table (this often works best in meditation, but can also be done as a writing exercise where you take both parts), you might be able to reach some kind of compromise. It sounds like perhaps the "health-conscious" you beats up on the "other" you and wins for a while and then the latter throws a tantrum and takes over. A perpetual power struggle that leaves you frustrated and exhausted.
Anyway, just a thought. It can't hurt to try and you just *might* be surprised at what this part of you has to say to you (I have some suspicisons, but this is your journey and not mine).
Not sure if this inviting a redirect to the "psychology" board (as it is a therapy technique), but [to me at least] it seems legitimate on an addiction board (as it is often used with addictions and addiction-like situations).
Good luck!
Posted by rayww on September 23, 2003, at 20:59:24
In reply to Re: I Am Really, Really Scared » galkeepinon, posted by madwand on September 23, 2003, at 20:03:02
I can verify that what you have suggested works and is real, but I didn't know it was a "procedure". I named my other person "POES"-Person Offering Emotional Support, and pretended like he was the best and smartest counsellor who had ever graced the earth. First I would say a very specific prayer, requesting the best helper for the particular situation. Whether the dialogue came from my inner self, or the imagined counsellor opened my mind to be able to see myself better, I don't know, but I certainly made some significant self discoveries.
This is not divination :) and it may not even be imagination. But it certainly opens up a channel that does not open easily. I was really happy to hear you describe this. The one time I tried to explain it to someone I was met with a blank stare and a "whaaat???"
What if it was possible to "PICK" anyone from the past to join you in a dialogue? I'm sure the great ones have even greater understanding now. Imagination is sometimes a wonderful tool. It can place things into your mind that you would never dream of saying to yourself.
I was able to tap into this procedure when I was suffering deep pain and in great need. I'm not sure it would work otherwise. It is free and private, and cannot hurt. It is not fortune telling, or crystal balling, or cards. It is spirit, your own spirit. Do you know the difference?
Posted by madwand on September 23, 2003, at 21:21:18
In reply to Re: I Am Really, Really Scared » madwand, posted by rayww on September 23, 2003, at 20:59:24
I think we are talking about similar things. I have also done some of what you described (seeking a higher part of myself for wisdom) and that can be a very powerful thing. However, what I was referring to is more in the other direction; i.e., opening a dialog with a part of you that is causing "concern". And not a judgemental "I am going to fix you!" dialog, but genuinely asking that part of you (the part that is not acting as you would prefer and is prehaps leading you to do things that cause you grief), what it has to say to you. I.e. sort of like a parent who, instead of saying "Listen to me -- here is what I want out of you!", says, "Hey, what's wrong? Whatever it you can tell me and we'll work through it."
In a way it is a bit like Inner Child work, except that the "you" that you work with does not have to be a child per se.
Or perhaps one can combine the two (probably best done after one has some experience with the technique). If "you" and the "part of you that you have designated as a problem" cannot reach a common meeting ground, the "higher self" you mentioned could be invited in to mediate.
The possibilities are really endless. If you have a therapist who works with this kind of thing and/or is open to it then sometimes they can help you.
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 23, 2003, at 23:31:27
In reply to Re: I Am Really, Really Scared, posted by rayww on September 23, 2003, at 5:32:15
> I know you won't want to hear what I have to say
If you know someone won't want to hear what you have to say, then maybe it would be more supportive not to say it?
> I have seen so many miracles when people come into the church, so why can't my brothers follow their family and join in?
I'd like follow-ups regarding religious faith to be redirected to Psycho-Babble Faith. And those regarding administrative issues to be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. A link to the latter:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20030808/msgs/262837.html
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by rayww on September 24, 2003, at 11:56:57
In reply to Re: I Am Really, Really Scared » rayww, posted by madwand on September 23, 2003, at 21:21:18
I think I understand. Thankyou for taking the time to explain. It sounds like it would be a fascinating journey to the deep part of ourself.
Posted by Sebastian on September 25, 2003, at 12:14:52
In reply to I Am Really, Really Scared, posted by galkeepinon on September 22, 2003, at 22:51:38
You need to wait till your doctor warns you that your weight is raising blood presure, colesterol, and putting you at risk of diabeteis.
Seb
Posted by Dinah on September 25, 2003, at 17:24:54
In reply to Re: I Am Really, Really Scared » galkeepinon, posted by Sebastian on September 25, 2003, at 12:14:52
> You need to wait till your doctor warns you that your weight is raising blood presure, colesterol, and putting you at risk of diabeteis.
>
> SebThat doesn't work. I *have* diabetes, and while sometimes it helps me stick to a diet, other times I just don't give a flying fig. When it's hard to imagine making it to the end of the day, you do whatever you can to make it there. Potential health consequences (even if they aren't long in coming) are a long way down the list of priorities.
Posted by Festus on September 25, 2003, at 22:09:53
In reply to Re: I Am Really, Really Scared » galkeepinon, posted by Sebastian on September 25, 2003, at 12:14:52
> You need to wait till your doctor warns you that your weight is raising blood presure, colesterol, and putting you at risk of diabeteis.
>
> SebHey,Seb,let me ask you somethin:Do you suffer from any of the things you wrote about in your response to Galkepinon,s plea for help?I,ve read several of your posts and I,m wantin to believe that you did,nt mean for your reply to sound the way it first comes across,it could be taken quite hurtfuly by a scared and mentally fragile person who is feeling desperate for help and very down on themselves.Say it ain,t so.Brother Festus
Posted by justyourlaugh on September 26, 2003, at 15:33:44
In reply to I Am Really, Really Scared, posted by galkeepinon on September 22, 2003, at 22:51:38
galk,
sorry i havent been around lately...
i graduated today from the "day program"
...
there is one key missing in your post that i thought might help you...
you must replace an addiction with another!!
i have bounced around from one addiction to another all my life(booze,knives ....blah blah,blah)..
i now know i need to find less damaging compulsions...so much easier said than done..
stop thinking you are overweight and unhealthy...
start training your brain to focus on other addictions...crocheting,pomogranite eating,cross words,..
lets get out there and abuse cotton balls or something..
stop putting yourself down,.,there are 10 people behind you ready to do that for you..(my 10 year old told me that this morning)
best of luck..
you can do it..
j
Posted by femlite on October 5, 2003, at 1:38:46
In reply to I Am Really, Really Scared, posted by galkeepinon on September 22, 2003, at 22:51:38
Hey Gal,
I dont know where Im hoping in on this thread or where you are by now.
Im baord hopping, and i saw your sos. Im really concerned about you, (((hugs hugs hugs)))
It seems Ive seen you worried about this before and I understand that its hard to take the first step, for me its the hardest d*mn one.
But j is right and I have a suggestion.
The rest is up to you.
Im not trying to sell anything, I really just want to help if I can.It has helped millions it can help you..
For the next two weeks...
eat all the hamburgers you want...take off the bun
eat as much cheese as you want, sliced, chunked..
eat eggs,
omlets are great,(cheese, meat, veggies)
steaks, if you can afford them,
chicken, great,
fish,
ham,
everytime you are hungry eat meat, cheese, boiled eggs or protein of some kind.
put cooked hamburger, motzerrella (extra chesse please), and spagetti sauce in a baking dish,add more cheese to top, bake it till it bubbles. Eat if for luch every day.
Make another burger casserole, mexican this time, chili sauce and hot peppers if you like em! dont forget the cheese :) (ARE YOU HUNGRY YET, I AM :0
You will get sick of meat. But dont give up, you wont be hungry either.
SALAD OR RAW VEGGIES, TWO BOWLS EVERYDAY. creamy dressings only.
dessert..any berry (straw, rasp, blue,frozen is okay) with as much real whip cream as you like. It has to be real cream okay?
lots of water, sugar free drinks are okay
Fry, grill, saute, get creative if you can. Eat whenever you are hungry. only eat whats on this list. TWO WEEKS
if you have any concerns call your DR.
my DR put me on this plan.
LOTS of water and multi vitamins daily.If your lucky,in two weeks, youll be amazed, youll feel better than you have in a long time.
If your not lucky, Ill bet youll be 20 lbs lighter
That is just the beggining my friend, Ice cream is coming....;>)
But you have to take the first step.
What have you got to loose?ps dont worry about the ciggs.
one thing at a timelet me know how you feel okay? the third day i lay on the floor and cried like a baby, it all go better after that.
warmest of regard
Posted by galkeepinon on October 5, 2003, at 1:45:38
In reply to Re: I Am Really, Really Scared » galkeepinon, posted by femlite on October 5, 2003, at 1:38:46
Thanks so much, very kind of you. I am going to do this! I am taking the first step in a lot of things to improve my life lately, it is very, very scary, I'm terrified but I HAVE to do it, I NEED to do it, and most importantly, I CHOOSE to do it.
Thanks so much for the nice post, I just saw it now.
Best to you,
Kristen
> Hey Gal,
> I dont know where Im hoping in on this thread or where you are by now.
> Im baord hopping, and i saw your sos. Im really concerned about you, (((hugs hugs hugs)))
> It seems Ive seen you worried about this before and I understand that its hard to take the first step, for me its the hardest d*mn one.
> But j is right and I have a suggestion.
> The rest is up to you.
> Im not trying to sell anything, I really just want to help if I can.It has helped millions it can help you..
> For the next two weeks...
> eat all the hamburgers you want...take off the bun
> eat as much cheese as you want, sliced, chunked..
> eat eggs,
> omlets are great,(cheese, meat, veggies)
> steaks, if you can afford them,
> chicken, great,
> fish,
> ham,
> everytime you are hungry eat meat, cheese, boiled eggs or protein of some kind.
> put cooked hamburger, motzerrella (extra chesse please), and spagetti sauce in a baking dish,add more cheese to top, bake it till it bubbles. Eat if for luch every day.
> Make another burger casserole, mexican this time, chili sauce and hot peppers if you like em! dont forget the cheese :) (ARE YOU HUNGRY YET, I AM :0
> You will get sick of meat. But dont give up, you wont be hungry either.
> SALAD OR RAW VEGGIES, TWO BOWLS EVERYDAY. creamy dressings only.
> dessert..any berry (straw, rasp, blue,frozen is okay) with as much real whip cream as you like. It has to be real cream okay?
> lots of water, sugar free drinks are okay
> Fry, grill, saute, get creative if you can. Eat whenever you are hungry. only eat whats on this list. TWO WEEKS
> if you have any concerns call your DR.
> my DR put me on this plan.
> LOTS of water and multi vitamins daily.
>
> If your lucky,in two weeks, youll be amazed, youll feel better than you have in a long time.
> If your not lucky, Ill bet youll be 20 lbs lighter
> That is just the beggining my friend, Ice cream is coming....;>)
> But you have to take the first step.
> What have you got to loose?
>
> ps dont worry about the ciggs.
> one thing at a time
>
> let me know how you feel okay? the third day i lay on the floor and cried like a baby, it all go better after that.
> warmest of regard
Posted by Festus on October 6, 2003, at 22:19:49
In reply to ~THANK YOU! » femlite, posted by galkeepinon on October 5, 2003, at 1:45:38
Howdy Kristen!Told Ya I was gonna check up on you.What has been goin on witcha?Have you"made any moves"?How,s your mood lately?Did you say if you was on any meds?Just could not remember if you were takin SSRI,s or anything like that.They are known for making folks gain extra weight or hinder those trying to lose.One of my clients is on an athletes training regimen,both work-out wise and Diet-wise.She does all the right stuff,but can,t hardly lose any BF cause she has to take Depakote(nothing else works for her condition).Before you try Femlite,s"Diet",PLEASE talk to your doc first!!!I know she,s trying to help you but what works for her digestive tract may not work for yours.See Ya later,Festus
Posted by galkeepinon on October 7, 2003, at 1:50:22
In reply to Re: ~THANK YOU!, posted by Festus on October 6, 2003, at 22:19:49
Howdy!! How nice it is of you to write this post!
I've been doing some 'house cleaning' so to speak. I'm handling things a lot better AND differently. I'm spending less time on the computer, and really opening up to my psychiatrist/therapist. When I asked him for referrals for a *psychologist* today, he was very kind and wanted to help me, told me not to worry about it right now as he and I have discussed that when I'm 'ready' and stopped resisting, that he would start taking a deeper approach~which I need. He taught me a coping exercise in the session today. My mood has been okay, I take Provera (progesterone) 7 days out of every month to induce a period *cringes* lol and it really makes me weepy. I had an episode last week where I was just crying about everything! I could tell something was 'off' because I wasn't really depressed to cause so much crying, BUT it could have been building up too you never know...
But the Provera worked, so now I'm feeling a little better. Yeah, I'm on Lexapro, Klonopin, Lamictal, and Flexeril~all low doses, but they work for me.
Yes, I have noticed a weight gain, but not by the scale, it's weird. It may have just been the PMS.
I gained a lot on the SSRI Prozac, and Lexapro is an SSRI too, soooooooooo, you get the point.
Send my wishes to your friend, I know the weight gain caused by Depakote~been there done that. I empathize with her!!
I'm doing what 'Femlite' suggested and I'm actually reporting back to her on Tuesday hehehe
Gave me a lot of good advice...
Hope you're doing good, you sound so positive, glad to hear it.
Thanks so much for your post, it means a lot!
Talk to you later,
Kristen
> Howdy Kristen!Told Ya I was gonna check up on you.What has been goin on witcha?Have you"made any moves"?How,s your mood lately?Did you say if you was on any meds?Just could not remember if you were takin SSRI,s or anything like that.They are known for making folks gain extra weight or hinder those trying to lose.One of my clients is on an athletes training regimen,both work-out wise and Diet-wise.She does all the right stuff,but can,t hardly lose any BF cause she has to take Depakote(nothing else works for her condition).Before you try Femlite,s"Diet",PLEASE talk to your doc first!!!I know she,s trying to help you but what works for her digestive tract may not work for yours.See Ya later,Festus
Posted by Festus on October 7, 2003, at 22:18:12
In reply to Re: ~THANK YOU! » Festus, posted by galkeepinon on October 7, 2003, at 1:50:22
Thanks for the quick reply and info.Maaannn!!!Every med you,re takin has"weight gain"as a possible side-effect.I don,t think the effects are as much"Weight gain"as they are"Weight loss"inhibitors.All those you listed have either water retention or slow your BMR(Basic Metabolic Rate)to a crawl.BTW,I am a Fitness/Nutrition Consultant by trade.I run a corporate fitness business and do some work with the YMCA,s,so I have a built-in interest in folks like yourself,that want to better their health/wellness status.I,m wonderin if you wanted to,ask your Doc about meds that boost metabolism,instead of slowin it down.I,ve seen how terribly frustrating it is for those working on wt.loss and getting put"on hold"cause of med side-effects.Anyway,I hope you fare well on that diet thing from Femlite.I sure would like to know if it works for you,too! Festus
Posted by femlite on October 8, 2003, at 0:01:53
In reply to ~THANK YOU! » femlite, posted by galkeepinon on October 5, 2003, at 1:45:38
Hey gal,
Ive had the hormone thing too. Im doing a "natural hormone" therapy. Its synthetic but closer to human. Not all docs offer it. But if what your doing is helping stick with it.
Another key is thyroid. i think I remember you mentioned that some time ago?
I have not taken an AD that causes weight gain yet, but I am totally sympathetic. That would cause me major depression, Ive been fortunte so far.
The diet I wrote you about is pretty safe. My doc has put hundreds of people on it. For every thing from high blood pressure, diabetes, to high cholesteral and weight.
If the meds are the problem it may be less efective, but its worth a try. I found my blood sugar was more stable and that alone helped my mood.
Im glad to hear your feeling better. Im glad you reached out when you needed to. Support can make alot of difference.
Femlite
Posted by BarbaraCat on October 13, 2003, at 16:07:13
In reply to I Am Really, Really Scared, posted by galkeepinon on September 22, 2003, at 22:51:38
Hi Gal Sweetie,
Oh, how I can relate! I used to be a svelte 130lb dancer, hiked 15-20 miles without breaking a sweat, all this still while going through bouts of severe depression, but at least I looked good! But then a few years ago, maybe it was nearing 50 and hitting menopause and hormones slowing down, yada yada, I started losing muscle tone, energy and gaining weight at an alarming rate. This started happening even before the pork-o-genic Remeron scourge so I can't blame it on that, although the meds I currently take (lithium and lam) aren't helping. I simply didn't feel like exercising anymore and when I did I wasn't seeing results fast enough. I'm also hypothyroid and lithium exacerbates this, but still, things ain't happening as fast as they used to and I know I need to rev up my calorie expenditure through exercise.I periodically force myself because I know without any question that exercise is absolutely the most powerful medicine for my mood disorder. Even if I don't lose an ounce or an inch, I have to do it otherwise I'll descend into paralysis. Not fair. All that work and I'm still not going to parties where I know slender young thangs will be. I've put on 50 pounds in the past few years and I see the shock in friends/family's eyes who haven't seen me for awhile. It feels terrible.
Recently I went through a very lethargic phase, for almost 2 months where I rarely went outdoors. All these beautiful Indian summer days and I couldn't motivate to even sit out on the porch. Plus, my neglected garden was right there glaring at me. Even though I'm a health freak, do yoga, meditate, KNOW how crucial moving energy is, can preach this shit in my sleep, there was nothing I wanted to do, simply no energy or life force or interest - and I wasn't even particularly depressed. Dancing held no interest, seemed like too much work. Bouncing on my rebounder (which, incidentally, is the best and easiest method I've found, usually), walking was way too much of a bother - the shoes and the lacing up, forget it. All those exercise DVDs collecting dust, all the cute little weights and equipment that seemed like such a good idea just sitting there recriminating me. I mean, everything just seemed like too much friggin' hassle. I figured that if only I could somehow prod myself into just starting, it would take off on it's own momentum. But it was like I was encased in a block of ice and could not make that first effort.
But here's something. Recently, my hubby and I got a hot tub/spa. I have fibromyalgia and treated myself for the 'therapy rationale' (plus it can be a tax writeoff for anyone if you have a 'hydrotherapy' script from a health professional). Yesterday I got in it and stretched, got a good flow of chi and really kneaded and worked out those tense hard muscles. The warm water was just what I needed to make it appetizing instead of agonizing. It was really amazing at how much focus and energy I had afterwards and how I began just doing things, one thing leading to another. Energy is a downward/upward spiral and keeps going in the same direction until changed.
What I learned is this: when starting out again, exercise has to be done to body comfort and temperature and has to be very very easy and convenient. The idea of going outside while in my current state of discomfort is too unpalatable. I've been internally cold, probably my thyroid fluctuating, but I have to take into consideration that I'm cold and going out in the cold to exercise repulses me. The idea of walking, putting on clothes and shoes, summoning balance is anti-inspirational. My balance is off, my feet feel heavy and clumsy and my ligaments tight. Walking is just not enjoyable at this point and I won't do it. Oh, I'll most likely warm up as I get going and will feel much better shortly into it, but those first few minutes put me off and I simply am not willing to tolerate even a little discomfort and so don't make the effort unless I'm motivated to.
At the point where you're really in a downward spiral it has to be very very easy with no obstructions. For me, driving somewhere, walking somewhere, getting dressed are all barriers and beyond what I'm willing to bother with. But with something really easy I can summon up a bit of spark to attempt, like laying in bed and doing some stretches, toe wiggling, hand flexing, anthing will break that calcified energy enough to inspire the next action. Energy begets more energy and the smallest action will start the ball rolling. Getting into the bathtub or shower and doing simple no-brainer things like wrist circles, neck rolls, energized breathing is enough to start the momentum plus it feels good and is relaxing. Vigorous rubbing down with the towel afterwards gets the lymph flowing. After washing your hands, rub them together briskly to generate heat. That gets the entire body flooded with the fire of life. All these things start the process and will eventually inpire looking for further ways to step on the gas pedal.
Of course, if you can manage a real hot tub with those nice jets, that is a true gift. Stretching becomes a treat you look forward to. I'm looking forward to my next plunge (but darnit, the temp panel isn't working quite yet). But the smallest step leads to another. Even if it's simply being aware of your breathing and then increasing the volume and pace and then shaking your hands while you bounce a little on your chair or bed will get the energy moving.
I know, I know, just starting is the biggest obstacle, like that oh yuck feeling of diving into water even though you know it'll feel good. It's almost like there's something in us that just insists 'ain't gonna move, don't wanna, bug off'. But eventually and with intention it will break up. You may not have the requisite willingness now but to keep repeating 'I'm willing to be willing' works.
BTW, I asked my doc the other day about giving me something, anything cause I too was concerned. He said nothing really works except expending more calories through exercise than you take in through food. Sigh. I knew that. - Barbara
Posted by galkeepinon on October 15, 2003, at 15:12:47
In reply to Weight stuff » galkeepinon, posted by BarbaraCat on October 13, 2003, at 16:07:13
Hi BarbaraCat :-)
YAY for hot tub/spas!!!!
Thanks so much for sharing your experience and the info~enjoyed reading it:-)
Have A Great Week!!!!!!================================================================================
Thanks so much for > Hi Gal Sweetie,
> Oh, how I can relate! I used to be a svelte 130lb dancer, hiked 15-20 miles without breaking a sweat, all this still while going through bouts of severe depression, but at least I looked good! But then a few years ago, maybe it was nearing 50 and hitting menopause and hormones slowing down, yada yada, I started losing muscle tone, energy and gaining weight at an alarming rate. This started happening even before the pork-o-genic Remeron scourge so I can't blame it on that, although the meds I currently take (lithium and lam) aren't helping. I simply didn't feel like exercising anymore and when I did I wasn't seeing results fast enough. I'm also hypothyroid and lithium exacerbates this, but still, things ain't happening as fast as they used to and I know I need to rev up my calorie expenditure through exercise.
>
> I periodically force myself because I know without any question that exercise is absolutely the most powerful medicine for my mood disorder. Even if I don't lose an ounce or an inch, I have to do it otherwise I'll descend into paralysis. Not fair. All that work and I'm still not going to parties where I know slender young thangs will be. I've put on 50 pounds in the past few years and I see the shock in friends/family's eyes who haven't seen me for awhile. It feels terrible.
>
> Recently I went through a very lethargic phase, for almost 2 months where I rarely went outdoors. All these beautiful Indian summer days and I couldn't motivate to even sit out on the porch. Plus, my neglected garden was right there glaring at me. Even though I'm a health freak, do yoga, meditate, KNOW how crucial moving energy is, can preach this shit in my sleep, there was nothing I wanted to do, simply no energy or life force or interest - and I wasn't even particularly depressed. Dancing held no interest, seemed like too much work. Bouncing on my rebounder (which, incidentally, is the best and easiest method I've found, usually), walking was way too much of a bother - the shoes and the lacing up, forget it. All those exercise DVDs collecting dust, all the cute little weights and equipment that seemed like such a good idea just sitting there recriminating me. I mean, everything just seemed like too much friggin' hassle. I figured that if only I could somehow prod myself into just starting, it would take off on it's own momentum. But it was like I was encased in a block of ice and could not make that first effort.
>
> But here's something. Recently, my hubby and I got a hot tub/spa. I have fibromyalgia and treated myself for the 'therapy rationale' (plus it can be a tax writeoff for anyone if you have a 'hydrotherapy' script from a health professional). Yesterday I got in it and stretched, got a good flow of chi and really kneaded and worked out those tense hard muscles. The warm water was just what I needed to make it appetizing instead of agonizing. It was really amazing at how much focus and energy I had afterwards and how I began just doing things, one thing leading to another. Energy is a downward/upward spiral and keeps going in the same direction until changed.
>
> What I learned is this: when starting out again, exercise has to be done to body comfort and temperature and has to be very very easy and convenient. The idea of going outside while in my current state of discomfort is too unpalatable. I've been internally cold, probably my thyroid fluctuating, but I have to take into consideration that I'm cold and going out in the cold to exercise repulses me. The idea of walking, putting on clothes and shoes, summoning balance is anti-inspirational. My balance is off, my feet feel heavy and clumsy and my ligaments tight. Walking is just not enjoyable at this point and I won't do it. Oh, I'll most likely warm up as I get going and will feel much better shortly into it, but those first few minutes put me off and I simply am not willing to tolerate even a little discomfort and so don't make the effort unless I'm motivated to.
>
> At the point where you're really in a downward spiral it has to be very very easy with no obstructions. For me, driving somewhere, walking somewhere, getting dressed are all barriers and beyond what I'm willing to bother with. But with something really easy I can summon up a bit of spark to attempt, like laying in bed and doing some stretches, toe wiggling, hand flexing, anthing will break that calcified energy enough to inspire the next action. Energy begets more energy and the smallest action will start the ball rolling. Getting into the bathtub or shower and doing simple no-brainer things like wrist circles, neck rolls, energized breathing is enough to start the momentum plus it feels good and is relaxing. Vigorous rubbing down with the towel afterwards gets the lymph flowing. After washing your hands, rub them together briskly to generate heat. That gets the entire body flooded with the fire of life. All these things start the process and will eventually inpire looking for further ways to step on the gas pedal.
>
> Of course, if you can manage a real hot tub with those nice jets, that is a true gift. Stretching becomes a treat you look forward to. I'm looking forward to my next plunge (but darnit, the temp panel isn't working quite yet). But the smallest step leads to another. Even if it's simply being aware of your breathing and then increasing the volume and pace and then shaking your hands while you bounce a little on your chair or bed will get the energy moving.
>
> I know, I know, just starting is the biggest obstacle, like that oh yuck feeling of diving into water even though you know it'll feel good. It's almost like there's something in us that just insists 'ain't gonna move, don't wanna, bug off'. But eventually and with intention it will break up. You may not have the requisite willingness now but to keep repeating 'I'm willing to be willing' works.
>
> BTW, I asked my doc the other day about giving me something, anything cause I too was concerned. He said nothing really works except expending more calories through exercise than you take in through food. Sigh. I knew that. - Barbara
Posted by galkeepinon on October 26, 2003, at 3:41:58
In reply to Weight stuff » galkeepinon, posted by BarbaraCat on October 13, 2003, at 16:07:13
Barbara, I just now got around to reading this post. Sorry, I have been pre-occupied with other things that aren't helping my depression.
At any rate, thank you from the bottom of my heart in taking the time to write this.
I have had my thyroid checked, no problem.
Lately and I'm writing this at 1:30AM PST, I am really struggling with this weight, yes!still:-( I have gained since being on Lexapro, but hoping the Lamictal can curbe my appetite somewhat. I am also going to ask my pdoc about going back on Topamax~not just for the weight loss I experienced, but for the effect it had on my mood.
I would feel so much better if I could get started on something. This week I thought about Lindora, only because I like that they offer B12 shots, and I like the ketone concept, but man, $$$$$ it's not cheap. I bought Slim Fast and have only drannk 2 shakes.
I need to get myself out of this dang funk~I can't stand it. I weighed myself tonight and the scale says 227, 246 is my highest. Your doctor is right on the mark: Nothing really works except expending more calories through exercise than you take in through food. *Sigh* I knew that too. I guess it's all up to me. I think part of the reason I don't lose this extra weight (and it's getting higher) is because of reactions I will get from men.
This must have something to do with my rape at 7, and when i was with my fiance, sex was good, but after we called off our wedding, I just ate more.
Why in the H*** don't I think I deserve to be healthy. I mean this is getting ridiculous~I'm 33, and have my whole life ahead of me, I would hate to pass up the opportunities, which I already have (2) a Halloween party tonight and a date with a GREAT guy.
Have you ever heard of someone who wish she would be wiped off the face of the earth because she cannot seem to control her weight and it's stopping her from living life???
Take care Barbara>>>>>>>BTW, I asked my doc the other day about giving me something, anything cause I too was concerned. He said nothing really works except expending more calories through exercise than you take in through food. Sigh. I knew that. - Barbara
I know it to *sigh* so only time will tell I guess...
Take care and be good to you!
> Hi Gal Sweetie,
> Oh, how I can relate! I used to be a svelte 130lb dancer, hiked 15-20 miles without breaking a sweat, all this still while going through bouts of severe depression, but at least I looked good! But then a few years ago, maybe it was nearing 50 and hitting menopause and hormones slowing down, yada yada, I started losing muscle tone, energy and gaining weight at an alarming rate. This started happening even before the pork-o-genic Remeron scourge so I can't blame it on that, although the meds I currently take (lithium and lam) aren't helping. I simply didn't feel like exercising anymore and when I did I wasn't seeing results fast enough. I'm also hypothyroid and lithium exacerbates this, but still, things ain't happening as fast as they used to and I know I need to rev up my calorie expenditure through exercise.
>
> I periodically force myself because I know without any question that exercise is absolutely the most powerful medicine for my mood disorder. Even if I don't lose an ounce or an inch, I have to do it otherwise I'll descend into paralysis. Not fair. All that work and I'm still not going to parties where I know slender young thangs will be. I've put on 50 pounds in the past few years and I see the shock in friends/family's eyes who haven't seen me for awhile. It feels terrible.
>
> Recently I went through a very lethargic phase, for almost 2 months where I rarely went outdoors. All these beautiful Indian summer days and I couldn't motivate to even sit out on the porch. Plus, my neglected garden was right there glaring at me. Even though I'm a health freak, do yoga, meditate, KNOW how crucial moving energy is, can preach this shit in my sleep, there was nothing I wanted to do, simply no energy or life force or interest - and I wasn't even particularly depressed. Dancing held no interest, seemed like too much work. Bouncing on my rebounder (which, incidentally, is the best and easiest method I've found, usually), walking was way too much of a bother - the shoes and the lacing up, forget it. All those exercise DVDs collecting dust, all the cute little weights and equipment that seemed like such a good idea just sitting there recriminating me. I mean, everything just seemed like too much friggin' hassle. I figured that if only I could somehow prod myself into just starting, it would take off on it's own momentum. But it was like I was encased in a block of ice and could not make that first effort.
>
> But here's something. Recently, my hubby and I got a hot tub/spa. I have fibromyalgia and treated myself for the 'therapy rationale' (plus it can be a tax writeoff for anyone if you have a 'hydrotherapy' script from a health professional). Yesterday I got in it and stretched, got a good flow of chi and really kneaded and worked out those tense hard muscles. The warm water was just what I needed to make it appetizing instead of agonizing. It was really amazing at how much focus and energy I had afterwards and how I began just doing things, one thing leading to another. Energy is a downward/upward spiral and keeps going in the same direction until changed.
>
> What I learned is this: when starting out again, exercise has to be done to body comfort and temperature and has to be very very easy and convenient. The idea of going outside while in my current state of discomfort is too unpalatable. I've been internally cold, probably my thyroid fluctuating, but I have to take into consideration that I'm cold and going out in the cold to exercise repulses me. The idea of walking, putting on clothes and shoes, summoning balance is anti-inspirational. My balance is off, my feet feel heavy and clumsy and my ligaments tight. Walking is just not enjoyable at this point and I won't do it. Oh, I'll most likely warm up as I get going and will feel much better shortly into it, but those first few minutes put me off and I simply am not willing to tolerate even a little discomfort and so don't make the effort unless I'm motivated to.
>
> At the point where you're really in a downward spiral it has to be very very easy with no obstructions. For me, driving somewhere, walking somewhere, getting dressed are all barriers and beyond what I'm willing to bother with. But with something really easy I can summon up a bit of spark to attempt, like laying in bed and doing some stretches, toe wiggling, hand flexing, anthing will break that calcified energy enough to inspire the next action. Energy begets more energy and the smallest action will start the ball rolling. Getting into the bathtub or shower and doing simple no-brainer things like wrist circles, neck rolls, energized breathing is enough to start the momentum plus it feels good and is relaxing. Vigorous rubbing down with the towel afterwards gets the lymph flowing. After washing your hands, rub them together briskly to generate heat. That gets the entire body flooded with the fire of life. All these things start the process and will eventually inpire looking for further ways to step on the gas pedal.
>
> Of course, if you can manage a real hot tub with those nice jets, that is a true gift. Stretching becomes a treat you look forward to. I'm looking forward to my next plunge (but darnit, the temp panel isn't working quite yet). But the smallest step leads to another. Even if it's simply being aware of your breathing and then increasing the volume and pace and then shaking your hands while you bounce a little on your chair or bed will get the energy moving.
>
> I know, I know, just starting is the biggest obstacle, like that oh yuck feeling of diving into water even though you know it'll feel good. It's almost like there's something in us that just insists 'ain't gonna move, don't wanna, bug off'. But eventually and with intention it will break up. You may not have the requisite willingness now but to keep repeating 'I'm willing to be willing' works.
>
> BTW, I asked my doc the other day about giving me something, anything cause I too was concerned. He said nothing really works except expending more calories through exercise than you take in through food. Sigh. I knew that. - Barbara
Posted by BarbaraCat on November 1, 2003, at 17:28:22
In reply to Re: Weight stuff » BarbaraCat, posted by galkeepinon on October 26, 2003, at 3:41:58
Hi Gal,
>>I am also going to ask my pdoc about going back on Topamax~not just for the weight loss I experienced, but for the effect it had on my mood.
>
**Have you started it yet? My pdoc said that one of his patients lost 50 lbs on it. I tried it and it wasn't a good med for me.>I bought Slim Fast and have only drannk 2 shakes.
**Be real careful with those shakes - bad news - and run like hell from anything with artificial sweeteners, especially aspartame. Not good for our brains. Slimfast is so full of unhealthy things like artificial coloring and flavoring. It's not doing your overall health any favors and any weight you lose is going to come back in spades. You'd do better getting a whey based high protein powder with vitamins in it for your shake and taking a bulking agent like psyllium or ground flax.
>Your doctor is right on the mark: Nothing really works except expending more calories through exercise than you take in through food.
**Yeah, exercise really is the ticket. No other way unless we starve ourselves and that's neither fun nor healthy.
> Have you ever heard of someone who wish she would be wiped off the face of the earth because she cannot seem to control her weight and it's stopping her from living life???
**You bet. It's hard not to feel self conscious when you feel like what's outside is so foreign to what you know is inside. About the only things we can control in our lives is our food choices based on what's available, and moving our bods or not. It really comes down to that. Listen to me - I've been slugging about for the past few days even tho' I really really really do know better. Take care. - Barbara
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