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Posted by linkadge on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:31
In reply to personally i hope people listen to him..., posted by iforgotmypassword on July 1, 2005, at 6:10:44
Scientology approaches it the wrong way. Anyone can raise a flag.
Linkadge
Posted by flmm on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:31
In reply to Re: personally i hope people listen to him..., posted by linkadge on July 1, 2005, at 21:28:06
I am not stalking Nez, but paranoia is a "symptom"!
Posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:31
In reply to Why'd you come to this board ? » Nezirov, posted by linkadge on July 1, 2005, at 21:26:59
I came here to advertize my SSRI sexual side effects group on Yahoo and then got caught up in the discussions that ensued. I don't mean this in a facetious way either, but do you think you will be on meds for the rest of your life?
> I don't mean this in a facetious way at all. I am just wondering what you are here for, if you have no intentions of ever touching a psychiatric med again so long as you live ?
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> Linkadge
Posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:31
In reply to Re: personally i hope people listen to him..., posted by flmm on July 1, 2005, at 21:31:24
> I am not stalking Nez, but paranoia is a "symptom"!
It's not my fault that you have paranoia. As I said, try to get a sooner appointment.
Posted by sleepygirl on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:31
In reply to Re: personally i hope people listen to him..., posted by flmm on July 1, 2005, at 21:31:24
Posted by flmm on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:31
In reply to Re: Why'd you come to this board ?, posted by Nezirov on July 1, 2005, at 21:36:02
Hey Nez, you remind me of Tom Cruise. He is clearly manic depressive, and in complete denial!
Posted by flmm on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:31
In reply to Re: Why'd you come to this board ?, posted by flmm on July 1, 2005, at 21:39:51
Ya, sellin bunk!
Posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:31
In reply to Re: No, Nez is just a salesman, posted by flmm on July 1, 2005, at 21:42:26
> Ya, sellin bunk!
I'm not selling anything. Seems like you're having delusions now in addition to the paranoia and stalking tendencies. It's worse for you than I thought...Nezirov.
Posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:31
In reply to Re: Why'd you come to this board ?, posted by flmm on July 1, 2005, at 21:39:51
> Hey Nez, you remind me of Tom Cruise. He is clearly manic depressive, and in complete denial!
Why do you think Tom Cruise is manic depressive?
Posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:32
In reply to Re: Why'd you come to this board ?, posted by flmm on July 1, 2005, at 21:39:51
> Hey Nez, you remind me of Tom Cruise. He is clearly manic depressive, and in complete denial!
Please elaborate. keep posting! This is entertaining...
Posted by sleepygirl on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:32
In reply to Re: Why'd you come to this board ?, posted by Nezirov on July 1, 2005, at 21:46:04
Posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:32
In reply to perhaps it's your combativeness? (nm), posted by sleepygirl on July 1, 2005, at 21:47:21
Do you like that?
Posted by sleepygirl on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:32
In reply to Re: perhaps it's your combativeness?, posted by Nezirov on July 1, 2005, at 21:49:59
Posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:32
In reply to or hypersexuality!! (nm), posted by sleepygirl on July 1, 2005, at 21:51:10
Well, you were the one who said I might be Tom Cruise (not that all women fancy him, of course)...
Posted by flmm on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:32
In reply to Re: Why'd you come to this board ?, posted by Nezirov on July 1, 2005, at 21:46:04
It is a combination of the combativeness and denial of his symptoms. Nez so desperately wants to be "Normal" he can't stop telling the world how "Normal" he is. This is a threat to his world in that he is afraid of his "true" nature.
Posted by sleepygirl on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:32
In reply to Re: or hypersexuality!!, posted by Nezirov on July 1, 2005, at 21:54:05
You are interesting you know, but why the interest really in the meds?
Posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:32
In reply to Re: Why'd you come to this board ?, posted by flmm on July 1, 2005, at 21:54:26
Is that the best you can do? Where are all of these posts of me proclaiming "I'm normal"?
Go back and check, though I know it's difficult for somebody like you who is delusional. On the contrary, you devoted a whole post to stating that you absolutely required medication.N
> It is a combination of the combativeness and denial of his symptoms. Nez so desperately wants to be "Normal" he can't stop telling the world how "Normal" he is. This is a threat to his world in that he is afraid of his "true" nature.
Posted by flmm on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:32
In reply to Re: Why'd you come to this board ?, posted by Nezirov on July 1, 2005, at 21:58:41
Just jerkin yer chain Nez. I am done! See ya around. Good luck stayin "Normal"
Posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:33
In reply to Re: or hypersexuality!!, posted by sleepygirl on July 1, 2005, at 21:55:26
> You are interesting you know, but why the interest really in the meds?
Thanks. I think these meds are much more powerful than most people realize. And ultimately detrimental to long-term health, mental and otheriwse.
And since I've been adversely affected by them (long-term loss of sex drive), I feel an ethical responsibility to point out the potential dangers of these drugs to others.N
Posted by sleepygirl on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:33
In reply to Re: or hypersexuality!!, posted by Nezirov on July 1, 2005, at 22:23:34
OK, as long as you're being altruistic, but you know people can get terribly offended about this right? It's not always fun to feel like you have to take a psychotropic med.
Posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:33
In reply to Re: or hypersexuality!!, posted by sleepygirl on July 1, 2005, at 22:28:45
> OK, as long as you're being altruistic, but you know people can get terribly offended about this right? It's not always fun to feel like you have to take a psychotropic med.
I understand that it's not fun. I'm just saying that it's not always necessary to take these drugs, and quite often they can make things worse long-term. The drug companies and the psychiatric profession have an obvious conflict of interest in helping people solve their problems. They *want* people on drugs long-term. But this, IMO, is a symptom of the much larger problem of the way sociey is today, which is ultra-competitive, unsympathetic, uncaring, selfish, and too focused on individual "success" (whatever that means) than feeling happy, and good about yourself.
Posted by sleepygirl on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:33
In reply to Re: or hypersexuality!!, posted by Nezirov on July 1, 2005, at 22:45:08
Well I must agree with you there. I do believe that we are way too focused on terribly unrealistic standards for ourselves. We've come to expect perhaps more instant gratifications. Things seem disposable. We find less fulfillment in our passions in favor of a rat race that never seems to end. And then sometimes we come up empty or burn out, and blame ourselves. I don't know how to fix that...
Posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:33
In reply to medicating a sick society, posted by sleepygirl on July 1, 2005, at 23:05:45
It would take some major changes to fix it. Difficult, but hopefully not impossible.
At some point we will have to change the fabric of society otherwise the human species will not survive.
Destructive power is growing exponentially, but altruism appears to be decreasing. Not good trends. I could write more, but perhaps another time or a different thread? I'm going to bed. Good night.N
As technology > Well I must agree with you there. I do believe that we are way too focused on terribly unrealistic standards for ourselves. We've come to expect perhaps more instant gratifications. Things seem disposable. We find less fulfillment in our passions in favor of a rat race that never seems to end. And then sometimes we come up empty or burn out, and blame ourselves. I don't know how to fix that...
Posted by sleepygirl on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:33
In reply to Re: medicating a sick society, posted by Nezirov on July 1, 2005, at 23:12:43
Posted by willyee on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:33
In reply to Re: medicating a sick society, posted by Nezirov on July 1, 2005, at 23:12:43
> It would take some major changes to fix it. Difficult, but hopefully not impossible.
> At some point we will have to change the fabric of society otherwise the human species will not survive.
> Destructive power is growing exponentially, but altruism appears to be decreasing. Not good trends. I could write more, but perhaps another time or a different thread? I'm going to bed. Good night.
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> As technology > Well I must agree with you there. I do believe that we are way too focused on terribly unrealistic standards for ourselves. We've come to expect perhaps more instant gratifications. Things seem disposable. We find less fulfillment in our passions in favor of a rat race that never seems to end. And then sometimes we come up empty or burn out, and blame ourselves. I don't know how to fix that...
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>I actualy agreed with some of toms comments.However tom lost his cool,and became very close to crossing the line,his co-correspondent handled it nicly.I agree with tom as to the fact chemical imbalance as a term is thrown around too easly.
Anyone should be able to see we need more scieance behind the prescribing of these medications.
What i dont agree with is tom implying depression can not be a bio chemical disorder.
Okay so lets walk this down....every part of you body can fall ill to a disease or disorder,from your ankles retaining water and swelling and using a water pill which DOES help my father,right up to diabetes where of course medication saves lives.
With this said,WHY,WHY,WHY is it hard for people to believe the brain,the most important body part,that relys on some many functions to work properly cant fall ill to a disorder.So seizures can be real,and some type of malfunction in the brain,but depression,well no that cant be.
Those comments such as snap out of it,or the one i love most,excersie and diet,i say this cause i personaly have done so since 16 hard core,and its done nodda nodda tom cruise.
I absolutly believe the people here,includin myself have fallen victim to some form of disorder,a pyhsical one,where something is not functioning up to par in the brain.
I believe its prob very complex,and what we have data and studies on our prob just the end results of the major problem,i.e low serotion levels and such.I am sure the problems is much deeper.So i agree the term chemical imbalance is just too vague.
I also feel since these medications make so much money,i dont see any incentive for the pahrm companys to do real research,why,they are not looking to spend money,but make,so they tweak an exisiting med here,there,give it a cute name with maybe a lime green neon butterfuly mascott,and put it out.
I especialy disagree with tom as to how he indirectly implied people are wrong for using these meds.These people do the SENSABLE THING,they go to their docters,they trust their docters to give them the best care,its the industry and the docs who prescribe these medications sometimes too often.I dont see how in any way its a patients fault,its a responsable thing to go to the doc when ur sick.Tom is entitled to his opinion,but yess he sure did look wired,restless,irratable,and totaly unproffesional in that interview,his counterpart was calm and collective,and brushed off toms rude and confrontaional outbursts,cheers to him.
The worst thing is for a person who does not have a clinical emotional disorder to speak adementaly on it,its very annoying.
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