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Posted by Jonathan on September 5, 2002, at 21:20:55
In reply to Thongs and Search Robots: link to Admin thread, posted by J. O'Nathan on September 5, 2002, at 21:16:57
> Surely the thong epitomizes this site's Mission to promote education, support and civility ...
Posted by Tabi T. Ha :-) on September 5, 2002, at 21:43:13
In reply to Thongs and Search Robots: link to Admin thread, posted by J. O'Nathan on September 5, 2002, at 21:16:57
't recognize you.
Posted by J. O'Nathan on September 5, 2002, at 22:06:19
In reply to Re: Hey, love the new name-style. I totally didn J. O'Nathan, posted by Tabi T. Ha :-) on September 5, 2002, at 21:43:13
I couldn't have discovered for myself that it was possible - I stole the idea from you :)
J. O'Nathan.
Posted by Ta'Bitha on September 5, 2002, at 22:14:45
In reply to Thanks Tabi ..., posted by J. O'Nathan on September 5, 2002, at 22:06:19
Lots of possibilities.
Posted by Jon At Han on September 6, 2002, at 0:11:53
In reply to Re: Jon At Han. J-Ona-Than. J. O'natha N., posted by Ta'Bitha on September 5, 2002, at 22:14:45
Posted by Ta'Bitha on September 6, 2002, at 14:01:01
In reply to Ta! b|i$$ tha'. T - a bith - A. Ta|| bith? A! (nm) Ta'Bitha, posted by Jon At Han on September 6, 2002, at 0:11:53
Posted by Ta'Bitha on September 7, 2002, at 7:03:44
In reply to Re: LOL! how do I make that 'r 'and 'c'? (nm) Jon At Han, posted by Ta'Bitha on September 6, 2002, at 14:01:01
Posted by Ta Bith! a on September 7, 2002, at 7:08:40
In reply to Re: %S%S%S䩌%S䩌 (nm), posted by Ta'Bitha on September 7, 2002, at 7:03:44
Posted by Ta|| Bith! a on September 7, 2002, at 7:10:40
In reply to Re: just testing... (nm), posted by Ta Bith! a on September 7, 2002, at 7:08:40
Posted by Tab Ith a on September 7, 2002, at 7:19:10
In reply to Re: J. O'Nathan you are a genius (nm), posted by Ta|| Bith! a on September 7, 2002, at 7:10:40
Posted by t a B it, ha? on September 7, 2002, at 7:26:13
In reply to Re: J. O'Nathan you are a genius (nm), posted by Tab Ith a on September 7, 2002, at 7:19:10
Posted by Tabitha on September 7, 2002, at 7:33:47
In reply to Re: J. O'Nathan you are a genius (nm), posted by t a B it, ha? on September 7, 2002, at 7:26:13
Posted by Tabitha on September 7, 2002, at 7:38:57
In reply to Re: J. O'Nathan you are a genius (nm), posted by Tabitha on September 7, 2002, at 7:33:47
Posted by Tabitha on September 7, 2002, at 7:45:09
In reply to Re: J. O'Nathan you are a genius (nm), posted by Tabitha on September 7, 2002, at 7:38:57
Posted by Tabitha on September 7, 2002, at 7:48:55
In reply to Re: J. O'Nathan you are a genius (nm), posted by Tabitha on September 7, 2002, at 7:45:09
Posted by Tabitha on September 7, 2002, at 7:51:56
In reply to Re: J. O'Nathan you are a genius (nm), posted by Tabitha on September 7, 2002, at 7:48:55
Posted by Tabitha on September 7, 2002, at 7:56:07
In reply to Re: J. O'Nathan you are a genius (nm), posted by Tabitha on September 7, 2002, at 7:51:56
Posted by Jon At Han on September 7, 2002, at 21:38:02
In reply to Re: J. O'Nathan you are a genius (nm), posted by t a B it, ha? on September 7, 2002, at 7:26:13
Hi Tabitha :)
Wow! - Nine amazing new name-styles!
I see you've discovered how to include all those exotically accented Nordic and West Slav and Latin characters in your posts (Hey! Font Erotica - that's an interesting new idea!) before I got around to explaining to you how I made my comparatively mundane and .
Mac users can type many of them, as Cam pointed out a couple of years ago - http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20000811/msgs/43206.html - you're not the only one here who uses Search for purposes that contribute little to our understanding of psychopharmacology. For the rest of us running Windows and/or Linux it depends on the keyboard driver, but the many characters that cannot be typed can be copied and pasted from a browser window displaying another web page that contains them, like this one, or from some text editors including MS Notepad.
You've also discovered something important that I didn't expect, that Dr Bob's cgi script ignores all those sexy diacritically-marked non-English letters as well as obvious symbols like |? (no-one expects those Spanish inquisition marks!); this opens up so many possibilities that you've just turned posting name-styles into a new art form with all the potential of Anguish!
A few weeks ago, frustrated by my inability to copy and paste from this table - http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html32#charset (it's all one large .gif file!) - I wrote a simple CGI script in C which generates the following table of all the printable one-byte characters (I hope this will work!)
| 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
--+--------------------
3| ! " # $ % & '
4| ( ) * + , - . / 0 1
5| 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 : ;
6| < = > ? @ A B C D E
7| F G H I J K L M N O
8| P Q R S T U V W X Y
9| Z [ \ ] ^ _ ` a b c
10| d e f g h i j k l m
11| n o p q r s t u v w
12| x y z { | } ~
13|
14|
15|
16|
17|
18|
19|
20|
21|
22|
23|
24|
25|It looks a mess in a variable-width font so try inserting a TT tag before it and a /TT after in the HTML source [replace the guillemets and with less-than (shift-comma) and greater-than (shift-stop): one of my first posts here more than two years ago fell foul of Dr Bob's interdict on these potentially useful characters - http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20000619/msgs/38236.html - so I know better now] or you can copy and paste from Notepad which uses a fixed-width font anyway.
Characters 127 to 159, most of which Notepad displays as blocks, are still copied correctly; they are not part of standard iso-8859-1 and may vary between browsers and versions: my Netscape 4.6 doesn't recognise (142) or (158) - Slovenian z-haek.
The non-breaking space, row 16 column 0, can only be copied from Notepad: if you try to copy it from IE it turns into an ordinary space.
Another odd character is number 173, the soft hyphen, which looks like a normal hyphen in Notepad but is invisible in HTML displayed by a web-browser unless it comes immediately before a soft line-break. Its invisibility is the reason why line 17 from column 4 to the end is shifted left by one space, although it looks correctly aligned in Notepad.
This is psycho-babble with a normal hyphen and this is psychobabble with a soft hyphen and this is psychobabble with no hyphen. You can make the soft hyphen appear or vanish by changing the width of your browser window.
I'm sorry - I seem to have got carried away and written much more than you could ever have wished to know, so I'll stop now.
Jonathan (who cannot yet think of a new name to compete with any of yours).
Hmm ... the preview is almost what I intended - only the softhyphen didn't work.
Posted by ߮ Tabitha on September 7, 2002, at 22:39:49
In reply to ߮ Tabitha *You* are a genius ! t a B it, ha?, posted by Jon At Han on September 7, 2002, at 21:38:02
Wow, Jonathan, you're really geeky :-)
Now I get why Right Alt doesn't work for me-- it only works on Macs. On Windows there is an accessory called Character Map that lets you select them and copy them to the clipboard.
These characters are soooo decorative! I want to reprogram my keyboard to use all of them all the time. I kinda wondered if everyone would be able to see them. Was afraid that depending on the font they might not show up. I don't know anything about how font selection works on web-browsers. Presumably there's some standard set of fonts that everyone has.
Better enjoy before Doc Bob disables this cool feature!
Tabby
Posted by ߮ Tabitha on September 7, 2002, at 22:58:16
In reply to Re: ߮ Tabitha *You* are a genius ! Jon At Han, posted by ߮ Tabitha on September 7, 2002, at 22:39:49
Hey, I just realized, instead of reprogramming the keyboard itself, surely I could write a script that would just take normal text input and spit out the decorative text. It could even cycle through the various options for the vowels, instead of using the same one each time. Instead of just fun with my name, I could translate my entire post!
Are CGI scripts the way to go? There must be free stuff out there to let me write one. I don't have any programming tools on this PC.
Posted by BE鮖arded Lady on September 8, 2002, at 12:06:52
In reply to ߮ Tabitha *You* are a genius ! t a B it, ha?, posted by Jon At Han on September 7, 2002, at 21:38:02
Posted by Jonathan on September 11, 2002, at 0:17:16
In reply to Re: ߮ Tabitha *You* are a genius ! Jon At Han, posted by ߮ Tabitha on September 7, 2002, at 22:39:49
Hi Tabby :)
> Wow, Jonathan, you're really geeky :-)
Thanks but I'm really just an anachronism from the days when all computer users wrote their own programs; my first computer was a slide rule. I've been a programmer for a long time but never a good one.
> Now I get why Right Alt doesn't work for me-- it only works on Macs.
Mine works for the acute-accented vowels and (Euro = AltGr-shift-4) only.
> On Windows there is an accessory called Character Map that lets you select them and copy them to the clipboard.
Thanks found it! Until you told me, Character Map belonged to the 99% of Windows which I'd never used. It's simpler than my way of doing the same thing; I've always had a talent for finding the most difficult solution to any problem ;) My approach, however, does have the advantage of working with exactly the same charsets as your web browser.
> These characters are soooo decorative!
You ain't seen nothin' yet :)
> I want to reprogram my keyboard to use all of them all the time. I kinda wondered if everyone would be able to see them. Was afraid that depending on the font they might not show up. I don't know anything about how font selection works on web-browsers. Presumably there's some standard set of fonts that everyone has.
Well, more or less. If you need a charset you don't already have, IE *should* download it from Microsoft.
If you save a copy of this page and view it with Notepad, about the fifth line should be something like:
<meta http-equiv="Content-type" content='text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"' />
This (or an equivalent line in the HTTP header that the server sends to your browser) is what should tell your browser which charset to use "iso-8859-1" is the default, so it doesn't have to be correct or even there at all! My version of MSIE gets confused by those nested single and double quotes and just ignores it, though Netscape is okay, so, if you're using IE, to make changes have any effect, you should first change it to
<meta http-equiv="Content-type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
(which both browsers are happy with), save the edited file and view it with your favourite web-browser.
Now if you change the final "-1" into "-7", save the changed file and click on your browser's Refresh/Reload button, something interesting should happen to the following paragraph. It may even make some kind of sense to you, in which case you must be as geeky as I am :)
iso-8859-7 , , .
() ()Here's a link to a site where you can have hours of geeky fun reading about all the charsets that there are:
http://www.iana.org/assignments/character-sets
I hope this works on whatever browser and version you're using.
J :)
Posted by Jonathan on September 11, 2002, at 0:22:26
In reply to Re: ߮ Tabitha *You* are a genius ! Jon At Han, posted by ߮ Tabitha on September 7, 2002, at 22:39:49
ڿ. Ҟ 㾸 f v ߟ.
v f q. q f v g., -.
ಲ G :)
This makes most sense in the "Windows-1251" charset.
Posted by ಲ Jonathan on September 11, 2002, at 0:28:55
In reply to вྺ (!) , posted by Jonathan on September 11, 2002, at 0:22:26
Posted by Tabitha on September 12, 2002, at 14:09:58
In reply to ^Sorry - above post was from ಲ G Jonathan (nm), posted by ಲ Jonathan on September 11, 2002, at 0:28:55
I finally deciphered your coded messages, well, except the greek one, but at least I figured out it was greek. Tres cool. How did he do it?, Tabitha wondered. I can't believe that Bob's web authoring program inserts a charset code that's indecipherable by IE. Doesn't that seem odd? What with Microsoft's world domination and all.
I'm still determined to write my text decoratization program.
I once owned a slide rule. It was in a nice shiny brown vinyl case. I think we were forced to learn them in high school chemistry, although calculators were already prevalent by then (big clunky TI and HP models in cases with belt-straps--yipes!). Basically the teacher was a sadist, it's the only explanation.
So I could not find your PMS post in Google, but I did find it in Bob's search. Rest easy. Plus, there was nothing regrettable about it anyway.
You realize that using the decorative versions of the characters may be the perfect search-engine foiling mechanism? Just a thought.
Tabby
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