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Posted by kid_A on February 14, 2002, at 13:40:53
In reply to Lou answers his scoffers, posted by lou pilder on February 14, 2002, at 13:26:26
But how can there be an answer without a question, and so how can there be this factual treatment to subjective logic?These things that you speak of, how can we meet them face to face til we have faces?
Posted by lou pilder on February 14, 2002, at 14:03:18
In reply to Oh Cruel Cruel Psyche did you ever love me at all?, posted by kid_A on February 14, 2002, at 13:40:53
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> But how can there be an answer without a question, and so how can there be this factual treatment to subjective logic?
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> These things that you speak of, how can we meet them face to face til we have faces?Friends,
When I came back on the Road, I saw people with troubled hearts. They had unanswered questions . I knew that there was a place prepared for them that would answer their questions and relieve the suffering of their troubled hearts. I have been to that City of Peace.
Lou
Posted by paula on February 14, 2002, at 14:07:51
In reply to Oh Cruel Cruel Psyche did you ever love me at all?, posted by kid_A on February 14, 2002, at 13:40:53
Great book. Could go on the "favorite title" thread.
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> But how can there be an answer without a question, and so how can there be this factual treatment to subjective logic?
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> These things that you speak of, how can we meet them face to face til we have faces?
Posted by kid_A on February 14, 2002, at 14:14:02
In reply to Re: Oh Cruel Cruel Psyche did you ever love me at all? » kid_A, posted by paula on February 14, 2002, at 14:07:51
Posted by IsoM on February 14, 2002, at 14:24:18
In reply to Dancing Cats and all of that..., posted by kid_A on February 14, 2002, at 12:32:27
No, he didn't lend his voice. He *was* Puss. As soon as the boots went on, he wasn't a cat. Without the boots, an ordinary cat was used, but Christopher Walken was the main character & appeared as himself - no animation, just make-believe. The actual cat was used in only a couple of scenes. If it's on video, I highly recommend it for light entertainment.
Posted by lou pilder on February 14, 2002, at 14:50:07
In reply to Dancing Cats and Walken » kid_A, posted by IsoM on February 14, 2002, at 14:24:18
> No, he didn't lend his voice. He *was* Puss. As soon as the boots went on, he wasn't a cat. Without the boots, an ordinary cat was used, but Christopher Walken was the main character & appeared as himself - no animation, just make-believe. The actual cat was used in only a couple of scenes. If it's on video, I highly recommend it for light entertainment.
ISO ,Kid and Paula
When I was in Great City, I was told that one of the conditions to keep the Crown of Life would be that I would have to fullfill a commission to find others to tell them about the Crown of Life. I was told that people would defame me and equate me with all kinds of evil, falsely. I was told that people would say that there is no City of Peace. I was told that I would be ridiculed and mocked. I was told that I could even be killed by those that are defaming me. But when I accepted the Crown of Life, I also accepted the ridicule of the world ad the pain of rejection. It was difficult in that public park to absorb the ridicule and jeering. It was difficult to accept the ostracism by my family and my frieds and my coworkers. But when I came back from the road I found that I was given 100 friends to replace each friend that mocked me. I found that I was given a job that paid 100 times what I was paid as a teacher. I found that I was given a wife that was 100 times more loving to replace my wife that left me. I found that I had 100 mothers to replace the one that died . And 100 fathers and 100 brothers. I was told that I had recieved the Crown of Life because I had overcome. So I must ovecome all things now.
Lou
Posted by paula on February 14, 2002, at 15:23:18
In reply to Lou answers SO, Kid A and Paula, posted by lou pilder on February 14, 2002, at 14:50:07
Lou,
I think you sometimes mistake simple discussion for ridicule. Have you read Til We Have Faces by CS Lewis? It is, in fact, a great book.
Most paths (roads, if you prefer) to enlightenment of some sort suggest that the journey is just as--or more--important as the destination. Discussion and questioning are part of the journey. Are we not permitted to discuss? Why must we be button-holed as either "following" or "ridiculing" you? I for one am happy that you've found a path (and a destination) that resonates with you. If discussion and questioning is not a part of the Road--and especially if you're offended by my questions--then I'll simply stop contributing.
--paula
> ISO ,Kid and Paula
> When I was in Great City, I was told that one of the conditions to keep the Crown of Life would be that I would have to fullfill a commission to find others to tell them about the Crown of Life. I was told that people would defame me and equate me with all kinds of evil, falsely. I was told that people would say that there is no City of Peace. I was told that I would be ridiculed and mocked. I was told that I could even be killed by those that are defaming me. But when I accepted the Crown of Life, I also accepted the ridicule of the world ad the pain of rejection. It was difficult in that public park to absorb the ridicule and jeering. It was difficult to accept the ostracism by my family and my frieds and my coworkers. But when I came back from the road I found that I was given 100 friends to replace each friend that mocked me. I found that I was given a job that paid 100 times what I was paid as a teacher. I found that I was given a wife that was 100 times more loving to replace my wife that left me. I found that I had 100 mothers to replace the one that died . And 100 fathers and 100 brothers. I was told that I had recieved the Crown of Life because I had overcome. So I must ovecome all things now.
> Lou
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Posted by lou pilder on February 14, 2002, at 16:05:23
In reply to journey or destination? » lou pilder, posted by paula on February 14, 2002, at 15:23:18
> Lou,
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> I think you sometimes mistake simple discussion for ridicule. Have you read _Til We Have Faces_ by CS Lewis? It is, in fact, a great book.
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> Most paths (roads, if you prefer) to enlightenment of some sort suggest that the journey is just as--or more--important as the destination. Discussion and questioning are part of the journey. Are we not permitted to discuss? Why must we be button-holed as either "following" or "ridiculing" you? I for one am happy that you've found a path (and a destination) that resonates with you. If discussion and questioning is not a part of the Road--and especially if you're offended by my questions--then I'll simply stop contributing.
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> --paula
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> > ISO ,Kid and Paula
> > When I was in Great City, I was told that one of the conditions to keep the Crown of Life would be that I would have to fullfill a commission to find others to tell them about the Crown of Life. I was told that people would defame me and equate me with all kinds of evil, falsely. I was told that people would say that there is no City of Peace. I was told that I would be ridiculed and mocked. I was told that I could even be killed by those that are defaming me. But when I accepted the Crown of Life, I also accepted the ridicule of the world ad the pain of rejection. It was difficult in that public park to absorb the ridicule and jeering. It was difficult to accept the ostracism by my family and my frieds and my coworkers. But when I came back from the road I found that I was given 100 friends to replace each friend that mocked me. I found that I was given a job that paid 100 times what I was paid as a teacher. I found that I was given a wife that was 100 times more loving to replace my wife that left me. I found that I had 100 mothers to replace the one that died . And 100 fathers and 100 brothers. I was told that I had recieved the Crown of Life because I had overcome. So I must ovecome all things now.
> > LouPaula
Forgive me if I thoght that you contrbution was meant as ridicule. You may certianly say whatever you would like or I have championed free speech and believe that all speech is good. I believe that it is the people that are silient that are dangerous. We should all be free to say what we want without fear. I will explain anything that anyone asks me on this board about how I was transformed from someone that wanted to kill themselves to someone that has a whole new life and wants to share it with othes that are suffering. One of you asked me to "look around" and I see so much suffering on this board. There are people that are crying out in pain and desparation, there are people that have lost hope, there are people that want to die. I am asking you to join the few of us that want to know what they must do to open gates 4-7. I am asking you to go with us and if the journey is not going ware you want it t go you can turn back. On that road are all people. Even people that have prescribed to Lewis Caroll's books. Even those that believe that cats can dance, and where boots. Is doesn't matter what you believe on that Road. For when you arrive at the City, you shall know the
truth, and the Truth shall set you free. Before I went down that road, I was a philosopher also. But after I enetered that City, I found that the wisdom of the world was foolishness. I found out that the dancing cat was a lie. I did, however, find out that all of our suffering was being made into a treasure for us. Will you join us to that place. For where your treasue is, there will your heart be also.
Lou
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Posted by IsoM on February 14, 2002, at 16:44:31
In reply to Lou answers Paula » paula, posted by lou pilder on February 14, 2002, at 16:05:23
...uh, Lou. I was simply discussing a sweet fairy tale made into a sweet movie. That doesn't classify me as believing in dancing cats. I'm not that out of it. I happen to enjoy happy stories & No, I don't wish to know more about 'your happy story' though I'm sure others do.
> > "...On that road are all people. ...Even those that believe that cats can dance, and where boots."
Posted by Cam W. on February 14, 2002, at 16:44:35
In reply to Lou answers Paula » paula, posted by lou pilder on February 14, 2002, at 16:05:23
Posted by lou pilder on February 14, 2002, at 16:58:41
In reply to Dancing Cats » lou pilder, posted by IsoM on February 14, 2002, at 16:44:31
> ...uh, Lou. I was simply discussing a sweet fairy tale made into a sweet movie. That doesn't classify me as believing in dancing cats. I'm not that out of it. I happen to enjoy happy stories & No, I don't wish to know more about 'your happy story' though I'm sure others do.
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> > > "...On that road are all people. ...Even those that believe that cats can dance, and where boots."Friends,
Why do you not want to know more?
Lou
Posted by IsoM on February 14, 2002, at 17:23:43
In reply to I do not want to know more? Why? » IsoM, posted by lou pilder on February 14, 2002, at 16:58:41
> > "... Friends, Why do you not want to know more? Lou"
Well, Lou, I can't speak for others, but I've already found my road & destination, & it's not your road. I'm not suffering, I'm home now. Thank you. I've made my 'journey' (using your terms) & received my 'reward'.
Maybe others wish to travel with you. I don't.
Posted by kid_A on February 14, 2002, at 18:08:51
In reply to I do not want to know more? Why? » IsoM, posted by lou pilder on February 14, 2002, at 16:58:41
Posted by lou pilder on February 14, 2002, at 19:43:37
In reply to Re: I do not want to know more? Why? » lou pilder, posted by IsoM on February 14, 2002, at 17:23:43
> > > "... Friends, Why do you not want to know more? Lou"
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> Well, Lou, I can't speak for others, but I've already found my road & destination, & it's not your road. I'm not suffering, I'm home now. Thank you. I've made my 'journey' (using your terms) & received my 'reward'.
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> Maybe others wish to travel with you. I don't.ISO,
I am glad to have met you. I hope that we meet again. I am in Cincinnati, Ohio and I am in the phone book. Please call if you are ever in these parts and we can have supper togeathe.
Lou
Posted by lou pilder on February 14, 2002, at 20:10:03
In reply to Uh, C.S.Lewis is not Lewis Carroll » lou pilder, posted by Cam W. on February 14, 2002, at 16:44:35
> http://www.cslewis.org
Cam;
Thank you for allerting me about the names of the Lewises. Ihave a rare neurological disorder that associates words into music. When you sad CS Lewis, I began to hear" St. Louie Women" I heard that for an hour and then "Meet me in St. Louie" took over. Then I rememberd Sinclair Lewis and this would go on like a pinball machine. Forgive me for the wrong association for I can not controll this at all.
I have read many of your posts and find tht you are a brilliant man. Albert Einstien believed in the creation. Perhaps we can email each other and talk about things.
Lou
Posted by lou pilder on February 14, 2002, at 20:21:54
In reply to Everyone has the right to their own beliefs... (nm) » lou pilder, posted by kid_A on February 14, 2002, at 18:08:51
Kid A,
You are absolutly right. Evryone does have the right to their own beliefs. I never thought that my beliefs would ever be changed. They were changed, drastically. I am trying to reach people whose beliefs have failed them. It is only then that I changed, for if my original beliefs were correct, then I would not have been suffering to the point of cnsidering my own death. That is one of the reasons that I have changed. For I have a whole new life. That is what one of the Gates that we havn't gotton to yet talks about.
Lou
Posted by Mr. Scott on February 14, 2002, at 20:28:55
In reply to Lou's answer to Kid A » kid_A, posted by lou pilder on February 14, 2002, at 20:21:54
What in tarnation are you people talking about gates and stuff?
Posted by Krazy Kat on February 14, 2002, at 20:33:45
In reply to What in the name of..., posted by Mr. Scott on February 14, 2002, at 20:28:55
I keep reading this thread and I should not, because it makes me see red. You are leading folks into a cult. You want us to respond in any way they please, because then you have our attention. You are quite adept at twisting words.
My posts were meant to discourage you - they did not.
I've complained about the board being too "PC" and not allowing enough to be said, but there is a time to put a stop to a destructive thread. This has gone on long enough.
I have no more to say, and hope others will pull away as well.
- KK
Posted by lou pilder on February 14, 2002, at 20:40:11
In reply to Re: What in the name of..., posted by Krazy Kat on February 14, 2002, at 20:33:45
> I keep reading this thread and I should not, because it makes me see red. You are leading folks into a cult. You want us to respond in any way they please, because then you have our attention. You are quite adept at twisting words.
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> My posts were meant to discourage you - they did not.
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> I've complained about the board being too "PC" and not allowing enough to be said, but there is a time to put a stop to a destructive thread. This has gone on long enough.
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> I have no more to say, and hope others will pull away as well.
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> - KKKK;
Why is the thought on this post destructive to you? What is the evil that you see into this thread (for you can only speak for yourself)?
Lou
Posted by Cam W. on February 14, 2002, at 22:41:55
In reply to Lou answers Cam W. » Cam W., posted by lou pilder on February 14, 2002, at 20:10:03
Lou - I think that if you read Einstein a little more closely, I believe that you will find that he was not a creationist. He used god in analogies, not unlike physicists now refer to "flavours" of quarks (eg. charmed, bottom, top, etc.). His "god does not play dice" quote was referring to the mathematical nature of the universe.
Also, I do not often correspond complex theories via email, unless I "know" the person with whom I am exchanging more esoteric theories (eg. stjames, SLS, and at one time finelinebob). I prefer to keep my conversations public, thereby avoiding any misconceptions which may arise that could be used against me. There is strength (and wisdom) in numbers; and allowing others the ability to critique a given discussion and allowing them the option of providing input expands and enriches insight into the topic.
Sorry, I delete any unsolicited questions via email without responding. - Cam
Posted by paula on February 14, 2002, at 23:01:35
In reply to Re: Lou , posted by Cam W. on February 14, 2002, at 22:41:55
I like very much what you said, Cam, about public discussion. I agree completely, particularly in matters of spirit and philosophy. If I may add a very low-brow analogy to answer Krazy Kat's fears about spreading a cult. Ever listen to the late-night radio show hosted by Art Bell ("Coast to Coast AM")? He is famous (or infamous) for having guests who talk about, do research on, etc, UFOs, aliens, crop circles, the paranormal, spiritual matters, out of body experiences, etc, etc.. No matter how far-out the guests may sound (and sometimes they are astounding) Art engages them in discussion. Just as there is strength and wisdom in numbers, there is a similar wisdom in not dismissing people or ideas out of hand. Sometimes the most challenging discussions are the most interesting. Plus, strong ideas tend to hold up well under discussion while the weaker ones, well....
paula
Posted by lou pilder on February 15, 2002, at 7:28:15
In reply to Cam and Krazy Kat, posted by paula on February 14, 2002, at 23:01:35
> I like very much what you said, Cam, about public discussion. I agree completely, particularly in matters of spirit and philosophy. If I may add a very low-brow analogy to answer Krazy Kat's fears about spreading a cult. Ever listen to the late-night radio show hosted by Art Bell ("Coast to Coast AM")? He is famous (or infamous) for having guests who talk about, do research on, etc, UFOs, aliens, crop circles, the paranormal, spiritual matters, out of body experiences, etc, etc.. No matter how far-out the guests may sound (and sometimes they are astounding) Art engages them in discussion. Just as there is strength and wisdom in numbers, there is a similar wisdom in not dismissing people or ideas out of hand. Sometimes the most challenging discussions are the most interesting. Plus, strong ideas tend to hold up well under discussion while the weaker ones, well....
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> paulaFriends;
A tenant of mine is an engineer at General Electric and works in the heat transferr department. He told me that if the jet engine does not follow the heat tranfer laws , then it could explode and General Electric does not want to take the chance of the people on the plane being killed. Ther are also laws of living that I have found that if we violate them, we are taking a chance on being killed or made to suffer. I am telling what I have experianced. And those of you that use slander and defamation against me, such as accusing me of trying to bring you into a cult, are playing an ancient game that has been around since the beggining of time. I am jewish and we read the Torah and the first book talks about the first people. God spoke to them and told them not to eat of the friut or they would die. The Father of all Lies, disguised as a snake, said to them not to believe God. They ate of the friut of the tree and died. When I recieved The Crown of Life I was told that people would use lies to defame me and equate me with a cult, and mock me and tell others not to listen to me. Of the people that I know that have recieved the Crown of Life, I know of many of them that were addicted to drugs and they are now free from their addiction and can live a joyous life. I know of many that had marriges that were going to end up in divorce and now thry are together and blissful. I know of students that were going to be expelled from their collge because of drinking and drugs and now they have graduated and did not have their drugs destroy their intellegence. I know of crimanals that are now free for they stopped their crimes. I know of many that were going to take their own lives and now they are alive. When you recieve the Crown of Life you will be able to overcome . If you are not suffering, then reject this opportunity to obtain the Crown of Life. It is only the people that are suffering that will be able to understand what I am saying. When I came back on the Road and saw the world again, I saw it through new eyes. The world was all new. Evrything was in a whole new perspective. I was a whole new person. I waas free from the slavery. You can also be set free. You can have a whole new life. But it is only for those that can not free themselves. They need help. They are suffering .Let my people go.
Lou
Posted by Lini on February 15, 2002, at 8:52:58
In reply to Lou answers Cam and Paula and KK and others, posted by lou pilder on February 15, 2002, at 7:28:15
Lou Buddy! How are you!
I was just at the City of Peace the other day and you are absolutely right - it is freakin fantastic. No more depression, no more meds, no more dysfunctional family, no more nothin but sugar and spice and everything nice! I dropped your name when I got there, so I think you'll get credit for my showing up.
Thanks for letting us on this board know about those gates, quite the trip (fire, an abyss, white horses) but well worth it. I highly recommend the place. Well, I guess that's all. Thanks Lou!
Posted by lou pilder on February 15, 2002, at 9:06:12
In reply to Lini answers Lou, posted by Lini on February 15, 2002, at 8:52:58
> Lou Buddy! How are you!
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> I was just at the City of Peace the other day and you are absolutely right - it is freakin fantastic. No more depression, no more meds, no more dysfunctional family, no more nothin but sugar and spice and everything nice! I dropped your name when I got there, so I think you'll get credit for my showing up.
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> Thanks for letting us on this board know about those gates, quite the trip (fire, an abyss, white horses) but well worth it. I highly recommend the place. Well, I guess that's all. Thanks Lou!Lini;
I am delighted to hear from someone that has been to The City of Peace. Can you tell us what else you experiance?
Lou
Posted by Cam W. on February 15, 2002, at 9:09:50
In reply to Lou answers Cam and Paula and KK and others, posted by lou pilder on February 15, 2002, at 7:28:15
Lou - The only differnce between a cult and a religion is approximately one hundred years. It is nice to have beliefs; and if something works for you, then go for it. There is no need to couch the facts in vagueries and parables. If the psychological reasoning behind the story is sound, then there is no need to dress it up.
Also, another ploy of religion is play the martyr when others do not follow their mode of thinking. We are all different and have out own beliefs. Your entire theory could be stated in one post and in plain English, and in point form (eg. 1. forgive others, 2. be kind, etc.). Suspense is best left to mystery novels, IMO.
- Cam
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