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Posted by Dinah on July 9, 2009, at 10:46:26
My therapist thought so the other day.
It's true that I'm having some thoughts I haven't had lately, about hurting myself. And it's absolutely true that I'm irritable, probably because of perimenopause.
But I'm not aware of thinking depressed thoughts. Is it possible that others can tell better than I can?
Posted by antigua3 on July 9, 2009, at 12:20:51
In reply to My pdoc also thinks I look depressed., posted by Dinah on July 9, 2009, at 10:46:26
Yes, I think other people can tell before we do sometimes. My husband will mention that I seem quieter or more down, or I'm not physically taking care of myself as well as I should. My T says she can tell when I walk into the room how I'm feeling, even if I think I'm doing my best to hide it.
So what's making you depressed? Do you know?
antigua
Posted by Tabitha on July 9, 2009, at 12:30:58
In reply to My pdoc also thinks I look depressed., posted by Dinah on July 9, 2009, at 10:46:26
You don't think thoughts about hurting yourself count as depressed thoughts?
To your question, for myself, yes I think others may notice signs of depression before I do. I can be fooled by the voice of depression still. It usually takes the form of "I'm not negative, I'm just seeing the truth finally". Or "sure I'm negative, but it's not a problem because..." Then my therapist starts strongly suggesting I get some exercise. I guess she's noticed it helps my mood. Or perhaps she thinks I'll be more likely to do that than to make a med change.
Posted by Phillipa on July 9, 2009, at 12:41:35
In reply to Re: My pdoc also thinks I look depressed. » Dinah, posted by Tabitha on July 9, 2009, at 12:30:58
Dinah could it be grieving with recent loss? Love Phillipa
Posted by TherapyGirl on July 9, 2009, at 12:49:08
In reply to My pdoc also thinks I look depressed., posted by Dinah on July 9, 2009, at 10:46:26
I think others see it in me better than I see it myself when it's just starting out, but they have to be paying attention.
So I guess just take it into account and monitor to see what you think.
Posted by jane d on July 9, 2009, at 19:35:52
In reply to My pdoc also thinks I look depressed., posted by Dinah on July 9, 2009, at 10:46:26
I'm with Tabitha. Those don't sound like good thoughts.
I think sometimes other people can tell before we can. But they don't have an infallible crystal ball and I think they're often attuned to physical cues. And by all accounts you're physically miserable between hormones and hot weather. Perhaps that is what they see. Of course at some point that physical misery (discomfort doesn't seem a strong enough word) can probably set off a downward spiral into a more generalized depression. In short, I'm worried about you. Did either of them have any helpful suggestions?
jane
Posted by MidnightBlue on July 9, 2009, at 21:40:26
In reply to My pdoc also thinks I look depressed., posted by Dinah on July 9, 2009, at 10:46:26
Dinah,
Hope you feel better soon. I'm going to stop posting for a while. I see your Babble mail is off. Please do not think my silence is lack of caring.
MidnightBlue
Posted by Dinah on July 9, 2009, at 21:58:18
In reply to Re: My pdoc also thinks I look depressed. » Dinah, posted by MidnightBlue on July 9, 2009, at 21:40:26
I'm sorry Midnight. Between one thing and another, I was just so overstimulated that I needed a bit of quiet. I'll turn it back on now. I hope to hear from you.
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on July 10, 2009, at 0:20:08
In reply to My pdoc also thinks I look depressed., posted by Dinah on July 9, 2009, at 10:46:26
Everyone thinks I look great, inside im drippin with sorrow, and depression. Mental Death.
Yet, I had alot of those red baron pizza's, appearance may change a bit, just ate 4 of them 3 hours ago, thought i was going to starve to death.
Who cares about the wicked people I live with, it's called taking care of yourself. I can't stand them, I'm ready for the lies to come out of them.
rj
Posted by seldomseen on July 10, 2009, at 14:18:59
In reply to My pdoc also thinks I look depressed., posted by Dinah on July 9, 2009, at 10:46:26
Yeah I think sometimes other people can tell what is going on with us better than we can. Usually though it up to us.
I'm sorry you maybe depressed and are having bad thoughts. I think the earth's orbit just entered into a cosmic stress pocket and most people are a little off.
We're here when you need us.
Seldom.
Posted by Phillipa on July 10, 2009, at 20:17:03
In reply to Re: My pdoc also thinks I look depressed., posted by seldomseen on July 10, 2009, at 14:18:59
Seldom is that what it is as seems all the e-mails I get people's anxiety is out of control. Seriously strange? Phillipa
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on July 11, 2009, at 0:18:13
In reply to Re: My pdoc also thinks I look depressed. » seldomseen, posted by Phillipa on July 10, 2009, at 20:17:03
babbleme
dr-rj
Posted by Dinah on July 19, 2009, at 14:23:37
In reply to Re: My pdoc also thinks I look depressed. » MidnightBlue, posted by Dinah on July 9, 2009, at 21:58:18
Definitely not ok.
More unstable like I get sometimes. Urges to hurt myself, anxiety, irritability, thinking that isn't as clear as I'd like.
I associate depression more with the times when I can't shake the fog from my head, and I can barely summon the enormous energy needed to sit upright, never mind swing my legs off the bed.
I've been doing some painting on my long term paint the house interior project. So energy must not be a problem.
My therapist keeps telling me I am getting better, and I keep getting discouraged that even with Risperdal and experience, these things still happen to me, and I still can't seem to stop them even if I grab hold of the insight needed to know I'm in this loop.
Not that he is taking it too lightly. He's scheduled a few extra appointments for me, and spoken to me seriously a few times.
This time it's mood instability, another time it might be depression, or one of my obsessions.
It's discouraging.
I suppose the bright side is that I haven't hurt myself. I haven't even come enormously close to hurting myself. That seems to be very important to my therapist. I tell him that eating way too much (which I *am* doing) is worse for my health than what he is worried about.
Posted by TherapyGirl on July 19, 2009, at 16:29:41
In reply to Well, I'm thinking not depressed, but, posted by Dinah on July 19, 2009, at 14:23:37
I'm sorry, Dinah. As usual, I have no answers for you, but I am willing to meet you in this place and hold your hand if that will help.
You are right that the eating, which I also do, can be more dangerous than self-injury. But I wouldn't want to see you hurting yourself in any way. You're too important to me and to a lot of people here.
(((((((((Dinah)))))))))))
Posted by Dinah on July 20, 2009, at 7:51:09
In reply to Re: Well, I'm thinking not depressed, but » Dinah, posted by TherapyGirl on July 19, 2009, at 16:29:41
Thank you Therapy Girl. I'll get through this, I always do. I guess I had just hoped that I had outgrown, or learned too much, to have some of the aspects of it anymore.
My therapist reminds me that it doesn't happen nearly as much anymore. I suppose that's something.
Unfortunately as a diabetic food really does have a physical calming effect on me as well as an emotional one. It's hard to choose not to do something that I know will bring me relief.
Posted by Dinah on July 20, 2009, at 10:39:28
In reply to Re: Well, I'm thinking not depressed, but » TherapyGirl, posted by Dinah on July 20, 2009, at 7:51:09
When the hot flashes were worst, I wasn't getting much uninterrupted sleep. I've found that to be very bad for me. My nervous system just can't seem to take it.
That's probably the cause.
I'm sleeping better now, so maybe it will improve until next time at least.
Posted by Phillipa on July 20, 2009, at 20:00:06
In reply to Probably sleep disturbance, posted by Dinah on July 20, 2009, at 10:39:28
Postmenapausal still wake at night hot. Seriously. Love Phillipa
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