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Posted by Poet on August 24, 2006, at 21:23:35
In reply to Fingerpainting Therapy? Do I Seem That Crazy?, posted by Poet on August 23, 2006, at 13:37:23
I told this to Clueless and she still thought fingerpainting was a good idea.
In sixth grade my teacher Miss Rhymes with Ditch held up my picture to the whole class, said *this is exactly what I didn't want,* ripped it in half and told me to *clean up that mess.*
Now you know why I call her Clueless. At least she's listening to me about meds.
Poet
Posted by finelinebob on August 24, 2006, at 21:36:00
In reply to Art Traumatized Me, posted by Poet on August 24, 2006, at 21:23:35
> In sixth grade my teacher Miss Rhymes with Ditch held up my picture to the whole class, said *this is exactly what I didn't want,* ripped it in half and told me to *clean up that mess.*
Here's the Harry Chapin song I referred to:
(Spoken)Your son marches to the beat of a different drummer, But don't worry,
We'll have him joining the parade by the end of the termThe little boy went first day of school
He got some crayons and started to draw
He put colors all over the paper
For colors was what he saw
And the teacher said.. What you doin' young man
I'm paintin' flowers he said
She said... It's not the time for art young man
And anyway flowers are green and red
There's a time for everything young man
And a way it should be done
You've got to show concern for everyone else
For you're not the only oneAnd she said...
Flowers are red young man
Green leaves are green
There's no need to see flowers any other way
Than they way they always have been seenBut the little boy said...
There are so many colors in the rainbow
So many colors in the morning sun
So many colors in the flower and I see every oneWell the teacher said.. You're sassy
There's ways that things should be
And you'll paint flowers the way they are
So repeat after me.....And she said...
Flowers are red young man
Green leaves are green
There's no need to see flowers any other way
Than they way they always have been seenBut the little boy said...
There are so many colors in the rainbow
So many colors in the morning sun
So many colors in the flower and I see every oneThe teacher put him in a corner
She said.. It's for your own good..
And you won't come out 'til you get it right
And are responding like you should
Well finally he got lonely
Frightened thoughts filled his head
And he went up to the teacher
And this is what he said.. and he saidFlowers are red, green leaves are green
There's no need to see flowers any other way
Than the way they always have been seenTime went by like it always does
And they moved to another town
And the little boy went to another school
And this is what he found
The teacher there was smilin'
She said...Painting should be fun
And there are so many colors in a flower
So let's use every oneBut that little boy painted flowers
In neat rows of green and red
And when the teacher asked him why
This is what he said.. and he saidFlowers are red, green leaves are green
There's no need to see flowers any other way
Than the way they always have been seen.But there still must be a way to have our children say . . .
There are so many colors in the rainbow
So many colors in the morning sun
So many colors in the flower and I see every one
Posted by sleepygirl on August 24, 2006, at 21:50:16
In reply to Re: Fingerpainting Therapy? Do I Seem That Crazy? » Poet, posted by Racer on August 24, 2006, at 0:24:38
Racer!
I am intrigued! That sounds wonderful. :-)
love,
sg
Posted by sleepygirl on August 24, 2006, at 22:02:28
In reply to Art Traumatized Me, posted by Poet on August 24, 2006, at 21:23:35
that is sooo horrible!!
that damn internal critic!! built up by years of such experiences!! It sucks!!
You're awesome and don't forget it!
Posted by sleepygirl on August 24, 2006, at 22:08:56
In reply to Re: Art Traumatized Me » Poet, posted by sleepygirl on August 24, 2006, at 22:02:28
that fingerpainting can be a bit "regressive"
not necessarily helpful if one is not comfortable with it
maybe a more controlled medium would be more appropriate....perhaps poems!!but really... ya gotta respect where people are-respecting defenses/preferences
sg,
art therapist ;-)
Posted by llrrrpp on August 24, 2006, at 22:25:02
In reply to Re: Fingerpainting Therapy? Do I Seem That Crazy? » llrrrpp, posted by Poet on August 24, 2006, at 21:14:29
> Worse- Dr. Clueless is my pdoc. I told my T about it today and she just laughed and shook her head. T knows better than to suggest something like fingerpainting to me.
Well, ultimately, pdoc was trying to help. A little out of her bounds, perhaps. But she made you think about it. That's better than nothing, I think. And who knows, it might not be the thing for you right now, but in 10 years, you may just happen to pick up some red and black paint and make a special artistic contribution to this world.
-ll
p.s. poet- you are NOT a crappy artist. Whoever told you that was cruel, and wrong. Art is subjective. Purely, wonderfully subjective. You just have to decide that what you're creating is worthwhile, meaningful, amusing, or offensive. Whatever. But no matter how hard you try, it cannot be 'bad'. It's just impossible. It can only be 'bad' *TO* someone (i.e. some cruel person in your past). But it doesn't have to ever be 'bad' to you. And even if it IS 'bad' to you, it may be meaningful to someone else, perhaps Dr. Clueless.
Let's hope that her knowledge of psychopharmacology is more of a help to you than her art therapy attempts.
My cat would allow you to paint using her tail, as long as the paint is tuna-juice based. To her, 'good' art is seafood or chicken flavored, moist and with an abundance of gravy. I'm sure you guys can work out an apprenticeship agreement.
Posted by Jost on August 24, 2006, at 22:26:12
In reply to Art Traumatized Me, posted by Poet on August 24, 2006, at 21:23:35
> I told this to Clueless and she still thought fingerpainting was a good idea.
>
> In sixth grade my teacher Miss Rhymes with Ditch held up my picture to the whole class, said *this is exactly what I didn't want,* ripped it in half and told me to *clean up that mess.*
>
> Now you know why I call her Clueless. At least she's listening to me about meds.
>
> Poet
~~ Poet, could I offer one editorial change: don't blame Art,blame that horrible teacher. what a hideous way to treat Art. You and Art both deserve a huge apology from her.She obviously had no understanding of Art. Art has nothing to do with what anyone except the artist wants, esp. mean-minded sixth grade teachers. (What is it with sixth grade? does someone also have something against sixth grade? Sixth grade teachers are so often the worst. Sixth grade also deserves an apology from this teacher.)
I wish I could have seen what you did in art class then. Bet I would have liked it. Also bet that anyone who understood how to teach art would have encouraged you.
You're very likely wrong about whether you could do Art. But if it makes you feel bad about yourself, you shouldn't do it. Art can make anyone crazy-- esp. if they believe that it's about being "good" at Art (which is wrong, imo), and that they aren't.
Art is very misunderstood in the world, though. The whole "talent" thing is highly overrated.
I love poetry, though. So it may be our good fortune that you don't do art.
Jost
Posted by Estella on August 24, 2006, at 23:53:35
In reply to Re: Fingerpainting Therapy? Do I Seem That Crazy? » Estella, posted by Poet on August 24, 2006, at 21:05:38
> Dr. Clueless would love you- you're artistic...ROFL!!!
nah, i'm not sweetie. they all looked positively appalling...
Posted by Racer on August 25, 2006, at 1:11:22
In reply to Re: Fingerpainting Therapy? Do I Seem That Crazy? » llrrrpp, posted by Poet on August 24, 2006, at 21:14:29
> Hey, maybe if I dip one of my cat's tails in paint as a brush...
>
> PoetOK, you know how some people draw little cat paw prints to show that their cats have signed a note or a card? Well...
My mother used to ink up the Siamese's paw, and press it on those cards. He actually "signed" all our Christmas cards, from the time she first thought of that...
He was a very good pusscat, very tolerant of The MomCat. She would put his head in her mouth, for instance. And once she spread paper down the hall and we dipped each of his paws in a different color paint, and let him run down the hall. That was a science-type thing, I think to see gaits? Or just to paint his paws...
He was a very good pusscat. Maybe you could paw paint, instead?
Posted by crazy teresa on August 25, 2006, at 7:58:21
In reply to Re: Fingerpainting Therapy? Do I Seem That Crazy? » Poet, posted by llrrrpp on August 24, 2006, at 17:51:10
Posted by llrrrpp on August 25, 2006, at 8:19:56
In reply to Please be civil, Lurp's cat ;~} (nm) » llrrrpp, posted by crazy teresa on August 25, 2006, at 7:58:21
Lurp's cat's response to PBC? she's licking her heinie.
Don't worry. It's art. performance art. It's called
Kiss My Groomed As*.
Fluffily, 2006. Mixed media-ll
Posted by happyflower on August 25, 2006, at 11:39:47
In reply to Re: Please be civil, Lurp's cat ;~} » crazy teresa, posted by llrrrpp on August 25, 2006, at 8:19:56
LOL, just so she doesn't give you a kiss! LOL
Posted by Poet on August 26, 2006, at 9:58:43
In reply to Re: Art Traumatized Me » Poet, posted by finelinebob on August 24, 2006, at 21:36:00
Hi finelinebob,
Yeah, I'm afraid I stopped seeing those colors a long time ago.
Thanks for posting the lyrics, Harry made a lot of sense.
Poet
Posted by Poet on August 26, 2006, at 10:00:44
In reply to Re: Art Traumatized Me » Poet, posted by sleepygirl on August 24, 2006, at 22:02:28
Hi sleepygirl,
Thanks for thinking I'm awesome. My teacher was horrible. The saving grace for me was a high school teacher who really liked my poetry. Had she ripped it up I'd really be a basket case.
Poet
Posted by Poet on August 26, 2006, at 10:07:09
In reply to Re: Fingerpainting Therapy? Do I Seem That Crazy? » Poet, posted by llrrrpp on August 24, 2006, at 22:25:02
Hi llrrrpp,
Amazing how that damn Miss Rhymes with Ditch can still get to me decades later.
Knowing Dr. Clueless if I did paint her a picture and bring it in she'd have forgotten she suggested fingerpainting.
She does seem to know her psychopharmacology and she's board certified in it so I hope she didn't cheat on the test to pass.
I will use tuna juice paint on your cat's tail. Though I don't think I'd get much paint on the paper since she'd be licking it off.
Poet
Posted by Poet on August 26, 2006, at 10:14:14
In reply to Re: Art Traumatized Me, posted by Jost on August 24, 2006, at 22:26:12
Hi Jost,
You are right, it was Miss Rhymes with Ditch that traumatized me. She does owe me an apology. She owes everybody she ever taught and I use the term taught loosely an apology. If she's still alive I hope she's in a nursing home being forced to draw pictures exactly one way.
I had a high school teacher who made up for Miss R.W.D. she liked my poetry and encouraged me to write it. I'll bet she would have punched out Miss R.W.D. for me. Wish I'd asked.
Thanks for your encouragement that I am not bad at art. Poetry is art, right?
Poet
Posted by Poet on August 26, 2006, at 10:15:52
In reply to Re: Fingerpainting Therapy? Do I Seem That Crazy? » Poet, posted by Estella on August 24, 2006, at 23:53:35
Hi Estella,
Oh, but think of the look on Dr. Clueless's face when you ask if you should exhibit them at a gallery?
Poet
Posted by Poet on August 26, 2006, at 10:20:26
In reply to Tangential story... » Poet, posted by Racer on August 25, 2006, at 1:11:22
Hi Racer,
I draw little paw prints when I put the cats names on cards to my mother and sister. I suspect all four paws of claws would come out if I tried to use real paws to make prints, but maybe if I wore heavy gloves.
TheMomCat had an interesting way to teach you about gaits. I hope the cat got people tuna as a reward.
Poet
Posted by finelinebob on August 26, 2006, at 11:40:59
In reply to Re: Art Traumatized Me » Jost, posted by Poet on August 26, 2006, at 10:14:14
> Thanks for your encouragement that I am not bad at art. Poetry is art, right?
Yes, it is.
Posted by finelinebob on August 26, 2006, at 12:47:59
In reply to Re: Art Traumatized Me » finelinebob, posted by Poet on August 26, 2006, at 9:58:43
> Yeah, I'm afraid I stopped seeing those colors a long time ago.
>
> Thanks for posting the lyrics, Harry made a lot of sense.Yes he did, which is why I have to keep coming back to this. Just ignore me if you want ;^).
The colors are still out there. Miss Joyshredder isn't. And who says you have to use art to express your rage? (ok, well maybe Dr. Clueless, but anyway...) That isn't going to help you see the colors again, if all you see is red and black. That's not really any different from black and white.
And who says you have to conform to realism? Make a horse look like a horse? I'd avoid realism (well, I often do that for other reasons, but anyway...). Here's a great quote from a physicist from a recent conference: "The world is not as real as we think." So go abstract. Create your own style. Go Poetism. And do it for yourself. Use colored pencils if you don't want the mess of other stuff.
Maybe you can see the colors in your head when you write your poetry. But why limit yourself? That's part of why I'm taking guitar lessons again...I think I can hear the colors when I listen to music, and I want to play my own colors, not just listen to someone else having fun with them.
There's something about "growing up" that sucks a lot of the joy and playfulness out of everyone. So what's wrong with learning how to be playful again? Maybe you can find the colors again, because they're still out there waiting. They like to play, too.
Posted by Racer on August 26, 2006, at 14:43:21
In reply to Re: Art Traumatized Me » Poet, posted by finelinebob on August 26, 2006, at 12:47:59
I absolutely agree about abstract...
In my case, of course, it's because I'm incapable of creating anything representational, but I still have a heck of a lot of fun with dyes and fabrics and yarns and fabric paints and marbling dyes, and all the rest. I love making wild things on fabric, with the brightest colors I can mix. Personally, I find it cheering.
And therapeutic.
I may lack anything resembling talent, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy the process, right?
(Poet, are you getting any ideas about the importance of something called "Talent"? As in, you ain't gotta have none to enjoy throwing color onto a flat plane?)
xoxo
Posted by finelinebob on August 26, 2006, at 17:17:21
In reply to Ya know... » finelinebob, posted by Racer on August 26, 2006, at 14:43:21
> I may lack anything resembling talent, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy the process, right?
RIGHT!
Someone tells you to do something "therapeutic" that sounds inappropriate to you, or appropriate but you still don't like it, then misappropriate it for your own uses!
> (Poet, are you getting any ideas about the importance of something called "Talent"? As in, you ain't gotta have none to enjoy throwing color onto a flat plane?)
>
> xoxo(QFE!!)
Posted by Racer on August 27, 2006, at 0:25:23
In reply to Re: Ya know... » Racer, posted by finelinebob on August 26, 2006, at 17:17:21
> >>
> (QFE!!)???
Que?
Posted by finelinebob on August 27, 2006, at 1:15:45
In reply to Re: Ya know... » finelinebob, posted by Racer on August 27, 2006, at 0:25:23
> > >>
> > (QFE!!)
>
> ???Quoted For Emphasis ... i.e. What shes said!!!!!
Posted by llrrrpp on August 27, 2006, at 9:59:17
In reply to Re: Ya know..., posted by finelinebob on August 27, 2006, at 1:15:45
I like mine better
QFEQue f*cking emPHAsis.
-ll
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