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Posted by Deneb on February 20, 2006, at 11:03:03
Today I had an appointment with pdoc1, henceforth just referred to as pdoc.
We talked a bit about why I'm infatuated with Dr. Bob and why I keep making threats to my life. She made me realize that my threats are my way of eliciting caring from other people. When I make threats what I really want is for people to show that they care about me. She made me realize that I need to learn other ways to elicit caring from others.
We figured out that Dr. Bob represents a father figure to me. I'm trying to elicit a caring response from Dr. Bob because I never received that from my father and others. My father only shows his love for me by doing things like drive me places. He has never actually said that he loves me or shown any affection for me. My family's not affectionate. We never say "I love you" or hug each other or anything.
We figured out that when I escalate my threats, in a way I do want the police called because that would mean that Dr. Bob cared. But why do I care so much that Dr. Bob cares?
We also figured out that my "relationship" with Dr. Bob is a "safe" relationship, in that it is one sided. I don't quite understand all of it, but we are going to explore more about this next session.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
Deneb
Posted by Racer on February 20, 2006, at 12:59:18
In reply to Pdoc1 and I talked about Dr. Bob, posted by Deneb on February 20, 2006, at 11:03:03
Besides the thought that we've been telling you this for a while?
How about a therapist, have you made any progress on finding one? You know that seeing pdoc -- what is it, every three weeks? -- isn't enough, you need regular therapy. With a therapist, you can work on figuring out why you need that "safe" father figure, and how to fill those same needs in a healthier way. You can also work on figuring out why you seem to look for the negative attention, rather than positive.
You've got a lot going for you, Deneb. I hope you work this out, so that you can let that light shine.
Posted by Dinah on February 20, 2006, at 13:00:21
In reply to Pdoc1 and I talked about Dr. Bob, posted by Deneb on February 20, 2006, at 11:03:03
It sounds like transference to me.
I'm glad you're going to work on other ways of getting attention and caring. There *are* other ways, and they're actually better suited to gaining your goals.
I'm sure that others have mentioned this to you before, but you also might want to do a google search or Amazon search on Marsha Linehan. I found her theories very helpful. Don't let the title of the books fool you. The methods she teaches can be useful to anyone, not just one diagnosis.
Posted by Deneb on February 20, 2006, at 13:25:34
In reply to Re: Pdoc1 and I talked about Dr. Bob » Deneb, posted by Racer on February 20, 2006, at 12:59:18
> How about a therapist, have you made any progress on finding one? You know that seeing pdoc -- what is it, every three weeks? -- isn't enough, you need regular therapy.
I feel uncomfortable seeing someone on top of my pdoc. Having two therapists might get confusing. I also don't want to tell her that she is not enough for me.
She wants to see me every 2 weeks now. I will bring up how you guys think it best for me to see a T next time I see her.
Deneb
Posted by Deneb on February 20, 2006, at 13:28:12
In reply to Re: Pdoc1 and I talked about Dr. Bob » Deneb, posted by Dinah on February 20, 2006, at 13:00:21
> I'm sure that others have mentioned this to you before, but you also might want to do a google search or Amazon search on Marsha Linehan. I found her theories very helpful. Don't let the title of the books fool you. The methods she teaches can be useful to anyone, not just one diagnosis.
Actually, Linehan's books would shed a lot of light on my problems. My pdoc mentioned that I have a borderline personality. Maybe I'll read them this summer.
Deneb
Posted by happyflower on February 20, 2006, at 14:05:05
In reply to Pdoc1 and I talked about Dr. Bob, posted by Deneb on February 20, 2006, at 11:03:03
Actually seeing your picture on Social, I think you and Dr. Bob would make a cute couple. LOL Sorry, I am a little nutty today. :-) I am only kidding! You are a very pretty girl, any guy would love to have you! :)
Posted by B2chica on February 20, 2006, at 14:23:38
In reply to Re: Pdoc1 and I talked about Dr. Bob » Racer, posted by Deneb on February 20, 2006, at 13:25:34
>> I feel uncomfortable seeing someone on top of my pdoc....
hehehehehehehehe
Posted by Deneb on February 20, 2006, at 14:38:54
In reply to Re: Pdoc1 and I talked about Dr. Bob, posted by B2chica on February 20, 2006, at 14:23:38
> >> I feel uncomfortable seeing someone on top of my pdoc....
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> hehehehehehehehe
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>ROFL...bad choice of words LOL
Posted by chinchilla1 on February 20, 2006, at 16:42:47
In reply to Re: Pdoc1 and I talked about Dr. Bob » Racer, posted by Deneb on February 20, 2006, at 13:25:34
Deneb,
I wouldn't worry about Pdoc being bothered by your getting a T. Most Pdocs don't have a lot of time for therapy, so they actually prefer their patients to have a T, too, if necessary.Chinchilla1
Posted by LegWarmers on February 20, 2006, at 16:47:17
In reply to Pdoc1 and I talked about Dr. Bob, posted by Deneb on February 20, 2006, at 11:03:03
Good job Deneb, sounds like you pdoc knows what she is talking about. It also sounds as if your pdoc plays the role of a T as well.
maybe you could ask her to meet you weekly for a little while? Is that a possibility?
Posted by Poet on February 20, 2006, at 18:39:01
In reply to Re: Pdoc1 and I talked about Dr. Bob » Racer, posted by Deneb on February 20, 2006, at 13:25:34
Hi Deneb,
Welcome back. Glad you're still coming to Toronto. I'll have someone to hide with under the table.
Your pdoc really has some good insight into what's behind your feelings for Dr. Bob and why you kept posting what you did about ending your life.
I agree with Racer that seeing a therapist would really benefit you. Seeing pdoc every two or three weeks isn't enough. Some pdocs do therapy and meds management. My expdoc did, only I was already comfortable with my therapist, so I just saw him for meds. You pdoc might do weekly therapy with you.
If you do see a T, you can give your pdoc and therapist permission to talk to each other. Then your pdoc learns more about where you are in therapy and your T learns more about how the meds are working. I despise the term treatment team, but that's what it's commonly called.
Definitely tell your pdoc that we think therapy would be a good thing for you. And of course, post and let us know what she said.
Poet
Posted by Emily Elizabeth on February 20, 2006, at 21:46:36
In reply to Re: Pdoc1 and I talked about Dr. Bob » Deneb, posted by Poet on February 20, 2006, at 18:39:01
>>> I despise the term treatment team, but that's what it's commonly called.
LOL! That's so funny b/c I always refer to my "treatment team" (using finger quotes whenever I use the term). I never thought of this action being because I despise the term, but now that you mention it, maybe that's it. Like I'm so messed up that there is a giant team figuring out how they can possibly fix me or something. And it sounds dorky. ;)
Best,
EE
Posted by Larry Hoover on February 20, 2006, at 22:55:33
In reply to Re: Pdoc1 and I talked about Dr. Bob, posted by B2chica on February 20, 2006, at 14:23:38
> >> I feel uncomfortable seeing someone on top of my pdoc....
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> heheheheheheheheI can't believe I missed that, first time 'round. Good catch!
Lar
Posted by Deneb on February 20, 2006, at 23:01:51
In reply to Re: Pdoc1 and I talked about Dr. Bob » B2chica, posted by Larry Hoover on February 20, 2006, at 22:55:33
> > >> I feel uncomfortable seeing someone on top of my pdoc....
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> I can't believe I missed that, first time 'round. Good catch!
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> LarROFLMAO! This is gonna follow me everywhere isn't it? (LOL I hope it does...LOL)
Posted by James K on February 21, 2006, at 16:38:32
In reply to Re: Pdoc1 and I talked about Dr. Bob, posted by Deneb on February 20, 2006, at 23:01:51
Posted by James K on February 21, 2006, at 17:09:23
In reply to Welcome back Deneb, B2chica behave! (nm), posted by James K on February 21, 2006, at 16:38:32
Sorry to B2chica and all others, I meant behave in a funny "sassy" way, but now I've triggered myself with my own word, so sorry to all.
Before I hijack the whole thread, Deneb I admire the work you've been doing. Keep going.
James K
Posted by Racer on February 21, 2006, at 17:49:49
In reply to Re: Pdoc1 and I talked about Dr. Bob » Racer, posted by Deneb on February 20, 2006, at 13:25:34
> > How about a therapist, have you made any progress on finding one? You know that seeing pdoc -- what is it, every three weeks? -- isn't enough, you need regular therapy.
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> I feel uncomfortable seeing someone on top of my pdoc. Having two therapists might get confusing. I also don't want to tell her that she is not enough for me.
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> She wants to see me every 2 weeks now. I will bring up how you guys think it best for me to see a T next time I see her.
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> DenebDeneb, most of us don't get therapy from our pdocs. Mostly, our time with them is focussed on medication management, and then we see a therapist, as well. If you're doing both medication management AND therapy with pdoc, how long are your sessions? I'd hate to lose out on therapy time because we had to talk about meds, too. (Frankly, I've been getting frustrated by my current pdoc, because she keeps trying to do therapy with me...)
Have you talked to pdoc about getting a therapist? What does she say? I think that's worth asking her, because you might find that you're both on different pages in what you're hoping to accomplish during your sessions.
Good luck.
Posted by Deneb on February 21, 2006, at 18:23:56
In reply to Re: Pdoc1 and I talked about Dr. Bob » Deneb, posted by Racer on February 21, 2006, at 17:49:49
>If you're doing both medication management AND therapy with pdoc, how long are your sessions?
I'd hate to lose out on therapy time because we had to talk about meds, too.My sessions are about 45 mins long. She doesn't talk about meds with me. She technically has never introduced a med to me. (Except 5 propranolol pills for when I was anxious) She just continues to write prescriptions for what my family doctor and pdoc2 gave me. All the times I've seen her, she gives me psychotherapy.
> Have you talked to pdoc about getting a therapist? What does she say? I think that's worth asking her, because you might find that you're both on different pages in what you're hoping to accomplish during your sessions.I asked her about what I'm going to do when I no longer see her and she told me that she's going to have to think about that. Otherwise I haven't bought up anything about seeing someone alongside seeing her. I'll bring it up next session, but I'm kind of afraid to. I feel like she might feel rejected. She's known me for nearly 5 years. She knows me very well and I feel like she has all the information needed to help me. With a new therapist I would have to start all over.
Deneb
Posted by Deneb on February 21, 2006, at 23:08:51
In reply to Re: Pdoc1 and I talked about Dr. Bob » Racer, posted by Deneb on February 21, 2006, at 18:23:56
I was just thinking...I must have a really special pdoc. I hear that most people spend only 10 mins with their pdocs. Mine really listens to me and responds.
It must be pretty weird that she doesn't really manage my meds. She must think it isn't necessary.
Posted by B2chica on February 22, 2006, at 9:00:45
In reply to poor word choice sorry » James K, posted by James K on February 21, 2006, at 17:09:23
didn't take it wrong James K- you fine....well...are ya? fine i mean..you know...fiiiinnnnee. ;^}
see, can't stop being sassy. been in a decent mood, gotta take it while i can.thanks but you all good.
later
b2c.
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