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Posted by Angela2 on November 11, 2005, at 20:22:06
In reply to Re: presenting in toronto on 5/22, posted by Angela2 on November 11, 2005, at 20:21:40
Posted by ghost on November 11, 2005, at 20:25:12
In reply to Dr. Bob, posted by Susan47 on November 4, 2005, at 19:31:52
i'd be interested in going....
Posted by Deneb on November 13, 2005, at 21:40:43
In reply to Re: presenting in toronto on 5/22, posted by Dr. Bob on November 6, 2005, at 11:15:33
I'm going too. I'm going to overcome my social anxiety for this. ;-)
Should we come up with some topics for discussion?
Should we start putting together any handouts now?
Deneb
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 15, 2005, at 0:34:43
In reply to Re: presenting in toronto on 5/22, posted by Angela2 on November 11, 2005, at 20:21:40
> > > > so far for the small groups we have:
> > > >
> > > > AuntieMel
> > > > Annierose
> > > > ClearSkies
> > > > fallsfall
> > > > Poet
> > > > ghost
> > > > Deneb
> > > > Dinah maybe
> >
> >I just need to know who's coming
>
> When do you need to know by?I don't know, 5/1? That would give us 3 weeks to finalize things? What do you all think?
Should we form a handout committee?
Bob
Posted by thuso on November 15, 2005, at 14:06:24
In reply to Re: presenting in toronto on 5/22, posted by Dr. Bob on November 15, 2005, at 0:34:43
> Should we form a handout committee?
>
> BobThat's a great idea. Depending on what you want to do, it may take some time to hash things out. I personally think doing some surveys on here would be a great addition to a handout. Those take time to create and execute, so a committee would have to decide that pretty soon. And if you wanted people who aren't going to be given a chance to write something for a handout, that will take a lot of time also. If you have to have the materials ready by the beginning of Feb, that gives a committee just under 3 months. Better get started soon!
Now would the committee be comprised of only those who are going or will it also include some people who aren't going?
And I think 5/1 is a good cutoff date unless you have to let the conference people know about your guest presenters before that. I'm sure most people will have to have everything set up even before that (flights, hotel, time off work, etc).
And another thing that might be considered is having someone start researching hotels. If a few more people decide to come, you may be able to get a group rate at a hotel.
ok...I'll stop now.
Posted by gardenergirl on November 15, 2005, at 17:59:53
In reply to Committee Idea... » Dr. Bob, posted by thuso on November 15, 2005, at 14:06:24
If I were attending this presentation, I think I'd like to see a description of the different boards, maybe some user statistics, etc. on a handout.
gg
Posted by Deneb on November 15, 2005, at 21:45:16
In reply to Re: Committee Idea..., posted by gardenergirl on November 15, 2005, at 17:59:53
> If I were attending this presentation, I think I'd like to see a description of the different boards, maybe some user statistics, etc. on a handout.
>
> ggWhat kinds of statistics would you like to see? Maybe we can gather some statistics.
Maybe we can describe the purpose of each board and how they are used. We can give some statistics about rates of posting and numbers of posters on each board. Any other ideas to throw around?
What kinds of things should we talk about as individuals? Will it be one to two posters per group then? Are they looking for personal stories or general comments?
On an unrelated note, I hope everywhere we go will be accessible by public transportation. I don't have a car.
Deneb
Posted by Susan47 on November 16, 2005, at 5:32:25
In reply to Re: You people are terribly, terribly brave » Susan47, posted by Poet on November 11, 2005, at 17:27:28
> Hi Susan,
>
> You can be me if I get scared and decide to hide in my hotel room. Then again you wouldn't want to be me. Join us and be yourself.
>
> A trust me, not brave, just determined not to panic, Poet.Hi Poet,
I'm just past my first week here in India and I want to tell you that I feel like hiding sometimes, too. Here especially. I don't know what Toronto would do to me. Right now my intrepid side has left the building. Lost my passport and visa within the first two days, here's a tip, Leave your Passport and Visa Locked Up until Jet Lag has passed!!!! Where will you be coming from? I'll hole up with you.
Susan
Posted by Deneb on November 16, 2005, at 22:04:20
In reply to Committee Idea... » Dr. Bob, posted by thuso on November 15, 2005, at 14:06:24
I raise my hand to be on the committee. Anyone else?
I think we should ask for ideas and submissions and have a deadline for them. The committee can then put together the handouts based on those contributions.
Maybe we can find a way for members who cannot attend the event to contribute as much as attending members. What about posters speaking for members who want to contribute but cannot attend?
Deneb
Posted by Deneb on November 16, 2005, at 22:07:41
In reply to Handout committee, posted by Deneb on November 16, 2005, at 22:04:20
Sorry, I meant "posters" as in poster presentations. LOL, not posting members...but it might work with posting members too...
Posted by Deneb on November 16, 2005, at 22:32:02
In reply to Re: Handout committee, posted by Deneb on November 16, 2005, at 22:07:41
OK, just to let everyone know, I have no experience with presentations in the real world (i.e. not school related), so please don't let me be the only one on the committee! LOL
Deneb
Posted by Poet on November 18, 2005, at 9:06:52
In reply to Re: Committee Idea..., posted by gardenergirl on November 15, 2005, at 17:59:53
We definitely need to describe the various boards and show statistics on participation. Some segments of actual threads would be interesting to include. Show our different takes on things. We wouldn't have to include posting names.
Poet
Posted by Poet on November 18, 2005, at 9:29:27
In reply to Re: You people are terribly, terribly brave, posted by Susan47 on November 16, 2005, at 5:32:25
Hi Susan,
Hope you found your passport & visa.
I'm coming from the midwest. I'll probably fly in as the drive will be real long.
Poet
Posted by Deneb on November 18, 2005, at 21:48:48
In reply to I'll help on the committee, posted by Poet on November 18, 2005, at 9:06:52
> We definitely need to describe the various boards and show statistics on participation.
Agreed. Should we come up with new descriptions of the boards or use the ones Dr. Bob gave us? Should we show statistics for each board or in general for the site?
> Some segments of actual threads would be interesting to include. Show our different takes on things. We wouldn't have to include posting names.
That's an interesting idea. Is there a page limit on the handouts? Can we do a small PowerPoint presentation?
Thanks for joining me on the committee Poet! Anyone else?
I'm so excited about this Toronto trip! It'll be my first time ever traveling alone! It'll be so cool! I can't wait to go!
Deneb
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 19, 2005, at 19:51:54
In reply to Re: I'll help on the committee » Poet, posted by Deneb on November 18, 2005, at 21:48:48
> > We definitely need to describe the various boards and show statistics on participation.
>
> Agreed. Should we come up with new descriptions of the boards or use the ones Dr. Bob gave us? Should we show statistics for each board or in general for the site?
>
> > Some segments of actual threads would be interesting to include. Show our different takes on things. We wouldn't have to include posting names.
>
> That's an interesting idea. Is there a page limit on the handouts? Can we do a small PowerPoint presentation?Whatever you all would like to contribute is fine, but remember, what's unique is your experience and point of view...
Bob
Posted by Deneb on November 19, 2005, at 21:07:22
In reply to Re: handouts, posted by Dr. Bob on November 19, 2005, at 19:51:54
> Whatever you all would like to contribute is fine, but remember, what's unique is your experience and point of view...
>
> BobGood point! It's not like we are presenting a study of Psycho-Babble! Here I was thinking of gathering statistics for each board and turning that into a presentation... LOL
My point of view and experiences eh? Oh my! That's gonna be interesting!
Deneb
Posted by muffled on November 19, 2005, at 23:43:30
In reply to Re: handouts, posted by Deneb on November 19, 2005, at 21:07:22
Posted by Poet on November 22, 2005, at 12:55:11
In reply to Re: handouts, posted by Dr. Bob on November 19, 2005, at 19:51:54
Perhaps each of us should do our own personal handout with our *unique experience and point of view?* The format could look the same, just content would vary.
Plus some threads showing other points of view, too. Different takes from different posters.
Poet
Posted by Deneb on November 22, 2005, at 22:51:32
In reply to Re: handouts, posted by Poet on November 22, 2005, at 12:55:11
> Perhaps each of us should do our own personal handout with our *unique experience and point of view?* The format could look the same, just content would vary.
I was thinking of something along those lines too. I was thinking maybe we could collect and show some of our own threads, showing examples of how we interact on the boards.
I'm starting to think of what I want to say. I've done some very interesting things on and off the boards. Maybe I should talk about them. I just hope people won't think I'm some kind of freak or something.
Deneb
Posted by thuso on November 23, 2005, at 0:49:06
In reply to Re: handouts » Poet, posted by Deneb on November 22, 2005, at 22:51:32
> > Perhaps each of us should do our own personal handout with our *unique experience and point of view?* The format could look the same, just content would vary.
>
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> I was thinking of something along those lines too. I was thinking maybe we could collect and show some of our own threads, showing examples of how we interact on the boards.
>
------------------I don't think that each person doing their own handouts will really be feasible. If you go back to Dr.B's post when he announces the acceptance he quotes,
> If you plan to distribute handout materials at your workshop, they must be approved in advance by the Subcommittee on Workshops. You need to submit a copy of the material ... by February 4, 2006.
>So you have to think that the handouts have to be ready before 2/4 and they have to be approved in advance. On top of that, I'm assuming that they will have copies made for each presenter rather than them having to bring their own. I think it will be too chaotic for them to have to guess the number of copies of each handout to make and then keeping everything seperate and in order. It's a heck of a lot easier for them and us to make one handout. There is nothing that says it can't be multiple pages. So if people want to make individual handouts, it will probably need to be part of a packet that everyone gets rather than seperate handouts for each small group. I've helped put on conferences like this (almost as large), and I would have wanted to kill a presenter if they tried something like this because of the amount of work and inconvenience it would cause. I think either creating a universal handout that deals in generalities or a multi-page packet with some of our personal experiences (but kept simple) would be best.
But remember, the participants will probably take away from the presentation more from what you actually say than the personal experiences you have printed on a handout. At least, I would.
Posted by Dinah on November 23, 2005, at 10:43:52
In reply to Re: handouts - my opinion, posted by thuso on November 23, 2005, at 0:49:06
Because although I've asked for clarification, I don't feel like I've gotten it.
I don't like unclear expectations.
Maybe I'm just stupid, but I would understand what is expected a lot better if Dr. Bob would give an explanation complete with examples rather than one liners.
Posted by ClearSkies on November 23, 2005, at 13:07:13
In reply to I'm frustrated, posted by Dinah on November 23, 2005, at 10:43:52
I'm not preparing anything at this point, Dinah. I'm going to go to Toronto to sit there and let people ask me questions. Unless we're otherwise requested, I don't see that there are any standard guidelines for us to follow for preparing handouts of our own. Maybe this is what Dr Bob is doing???
I'm getting better at Wait And See.
ClearSkies
Posted by muffled on November 23, 2005, at 13:36:05
In reply to Re: presenting in toronto on 5/22, posted by Dr. Bob on November 15, 2005, at 0:34:43
If I don't have to actually speak, and can hide, and you'll buy me an airplane ticket, and someone'll let me crash in their car for the night!
Ha!
Hope all goes well for all.
Muffled
Posted by thuso on November 23, 2005, at 13:55:48
In reply to I'm frustrated, posted by Dinah on November 23, 2005, at 10:43:52
> Because although I've asked for clarification, I don't feel like I've gotten it.
>
> I don't like unclear expectations.
>
> Maybe I'm just stupid, but I would understand what is expected a lot better if Dr. Bob would give an explanation complete with examples rather than one liners.
>You're not stupid. I agree that it is very vague at the moment. I think he's waiting to see what we want to do. He specifically asked if we wanted to form a handout committee and then when we were asking for clarification all he said was, "Whatever you all would like to contribute is fine, but remember, what's unique is your experience and point of view..." That sure told us a lot!
But I can completely understand your frustration. That's why I've been throwing around my opinions. There is no model for us to go by right now. I think this might turn into a chaotic mess if at least a format isn't decided. Hopefully, we will hear some direction soon. At this point there are too many cooks in the kitchen.
Posted by Tamar on November 23, 2005, at 14:55:03
In reply to Re: I'm frustrated » Dinah, posted by thuso on November 23, 2005, at 13:55:48
Maybe we need something to focus on, and maybe then we can decide how we want to put it together for a handout.I was thinking: if I had the opportunity to teach a bunch of therapists one thing, what would I want them to learn? And why is it important?
Is that a question that appeals to anyone else? If so, we can discuss it a little and open up ways of demonstrating the things that are important to us by including (for example):
Things we’ve learned here
Discussions or threads that were significant to us
What kinds of things we come to Babble for
Things we find useful about Babble
Things we find frustrating about BabbleSo, for example, if I wanted to teach therapists to understand clients’ confusion (or even desperation) about transference feelings, I’d probably write a couple of paragraphs about how people have supported me on the subject; how I’ve tried to support other people; how I’ve felt reading some of the things others have said about their transferential discussions with their therapists; and a note about the many newcomers who post to the psych board about transference and then don’t return. I wonder what happens to them; whether they tell their therapists, and whether their therapists handle it well or badly.
As for putting the handout together… Is there anyone with experience of this kind of thing who would like (or be willing) to take overall responsibility for its structure and content? I imagine it would have to be on the understanding that others would contribute.
I hope I’m not stepping on any toes here…
Tamar
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