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Posted by Dinah on January 12, 2005, at 5:27:34
In reply to Re: I hate therapy. (Longish) » Dinah, posted by daisym on January 11, 2005, at 23:58:42
I agree with Skittles. My therapist looooves to travel. And maybe we can tag along so that we can meet each other. :))
And Daisy, you're giving the medications too much credit. Unless you have a doctor who'll overmedicate you, the pain doesn't go away. They're just not that good.
Making the pain bearable and the pit shallower won't stop you from working on anything. It'll make your work more productive.
Just be careful and be your own advocate and you'll be fine. Silly me! You have your therapist as your advocate. With him at your side, I'm sure you'll find a pdoc who will medicate you at the proper level. Isn't there something about an ideal amount of pain in the literature?
Posted by gardenergirl on January 12, 2005, at 11:17:49
In reply to Re: Seminar » daisym, posted by Skittles on January 12, 2005, at 1:03:42
What a great movie plot that would be! All of us dragging our T's across country... (and can I come, too? Gotta visit that new family member sometime this spring. Can we have the seminar in March?)
Daisy, I don't have much to offer right now. I'm wiped out. But I think you are doing what you can and what you need. I hope it helps you to process stuff here. I really learn a lot from hearing you be so open about your therapy process.
Good luck with your pdoc appt. I hope it goes smooth and that you find it helpful.
Sending you hugs...
gg
Posted by Dinah on January 12, 2005, at 14:05:19
In reply to Re: Seminar » Skittles, posted by gardenergirl on January 12, 2005, at 11:17:49
The Psychology board is bailing on the PB birthday party so that we can all go to Daisy's neck of the woods so that our therapists can learn to be better therapists at the hands of a master and we can have fun gossiping about them after we all meet them. Or maybe having that long awaited contest. ;P
(Ooh, what fun that would be. Are our therapists really who we think they are or is transference at work. Mine really will have shiny shoes. I wonder if I dare tell him about this.)
Posted by meg7 on January 12, 2005, at 14:30:32
In reply to Re: I hate therapy. (Longish) » Dinah, posted by daisym on January 11, 2005, at 23:58:42
> Weird as this sounds, I worry that by cutting down the pain, I'll be cutting down the opportunities to talk about this stuff...and get it all out. Like I won't be able to access stuff because I'm numbed out. on the other hand, being numb would have some benefits too.
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This sounds very familiar. I also resent taking meds because of the fear they will reduce the ability to access stuff and talk about it. Talking is difficult for me in any situation, but when I am in severe pain it is sometimes easier because the feelings of despair, urgency and loss of control exceed those of sensitivity and shame. On the other hand, without meds the pain is unbearable and I can't get through the days, much less the nights.
Perhaps you can find the proper dosage of the right med in order to find the balance which is right for you- maybe even slightly reducing the pain so that you won't feel numbed out.
Posted by antigua on January 12, 2005, at 14:42:52
In reply to Re: Seminar - Sorry, Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on January 12, 2005, at 14:05:19
Meds did slow me down a lot in therapy, but maybe that was the point. All I do know, Daisy, is that I am much, much less emotional (I used to cry over commercials) and rarely cry now. I don't like that. I can talk about the emotion, but I don't seem to feel it. But in the beginning, they helped a lot. Good luck--you know all the right questions to ask.
As to that seminar... I will send my very good looking, self-confident and sassy T. She will certainly have a lot to say!
antigua
Posted by littleone on January 12, 2005, at 15:19:35
In reply to Re: I hate therapy. (Longish) » Dinah, posted by daisym on January 11, 2005, at 23:58:42
> Thank you for the support. Weird as this sounds, I worry that by cutting down the pain, I'll be cutting down the opportunities to talk about this stuff...and get it all out. Like I won't be able to access stuff because I'm numbed out. on the other hand, being numb would have some benefits too.
Daisy, don't have any advice for you, just thinking about you.
Thought I would add that my meds cut off all my emotions. I tried several different types and they all did this. That feeling of nothingness actually made me more suicidal in the end. I've been much better off them. But that's just me. Everyone's different.
Posted by Speaker on January 12, 2005, at 15:30:21
In reply to Re: I hate therapy. (Longish) » daisym, posted by littleone on January 12, 2005, at 15:19:35
My meds did the opposite as littleone...I bacame emotional for the first time in my life. I use to know exactly how I would respond in situations and now I am hesitant due to this. Although, in some aspects I think it is better. Go for it and see how it affects you...everyone is different.
Posted by mair on January 12, 2005, at 17:12:26
In reply to I hate therapy. (Longish), posted by Daisym on January 11, 2005, at 10:12:06
Daisy - I've been on meds for what seems like forever, and like Dinah, I think you give them to much credit is you think they're going to insulate you from the pain.
However, although I don't feel "numbed out" and readily acknowledge that I'm better off on meds than off, I do think there's something to the theory that meds make me less emotional or at least less able to really tap into emotions.
The issue is on the table now because I've taken myself off one of my meds and have been reluctant to replace it. My T, while not necessarily pressuring me, has observed that the worse I am, the harder it is to work with me in T. I pointed out to her that lately I've made huge strides in allowing myself to feel a greater sense of connection to her, a very big issue for me. Those strides have all come at a time when she might have considered me to be undermedicated.
Maybe it's only a coincidence.
Mair
Posted by daisym on January 12, 2005, at 19:00:37
In reply to Re: I hate therapy. (Longish) » Daisym, posted by mair on January 12, 2005, at 17:12:26
I don't think it is a coincidence. I've been researching (of course) and there are a number of studies that point to medication as "threatening to the theraputic alliance." I guess, as in all things, you need balance.
I talked about this with my therapist today. I said I was worried that I was afraid to get better. He said he thought it was more that I was worried about losing him. If I was better, wouldn't that mean I didn't need him? He tried to reassure me that he wasn't sending me away, nor did he wish for me to stop sharing all this pain with him. He was simply wishing for more rest for me. I'm trying to believe him...
Posted by Dinah on January 12, 2005, at 19:04:47
In reply to Re: I hate therapy. (Longish) » mair, posted by daisym on January 12, 2005, at 19:00:37
Daisy, it really is a question of medication choice. SSRI's have always blunted my emotions. A bit of Klonopin or Risperdal help me deal with emotions stirred up. Completely different thing. A bit of Depakote helps my migraines and also seems to contribute to stability without affecting how I feel at all.
They've got me on Luvox (an SSRI) right now, and I'm plotting how soon I can decently stop it and conveniently forget to tell anyone.
But even on max dose Luvox, I was perfectly capable of being completely miserable.
Posted by Dinah on January 12, 2005, at 19:08:49
In reply to Re: I hate therapy. (Longish) » mair, posted by daisym on January 12, 2005, at 19:00:37
And as you know (I'm sure) in matters of psychology for every study there's an equal and opposite study. After all, we can't exist, right? Skepdic.com says so. There are convincing studies that say that if you don't talk to ego states, the patient stops making them up for attention. Sigh.
I tend to believe the middle of the road.
Research is good, but make sure you don't bias the results of your research by selective attention. I tend to do that when I have strong feelings about one thing or another.
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 12, 2005, at 19:58:38
In reply to Re: Seminar - Sorry, Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on January 12, 2005, at 14:05:19
> The Psychology board is bailing on the PB birthday party so that we can all go to Daisy's neck of the woods so that our therapists can learn to be better therapists at the hands of a master and we can have fun gossiping about them after we all meet them.
Should we just have the party there? :-)
Bob
Posted by daisym on January 12, 2005, at 20:01:26
In reply to Re: Seminar, posted by Dr. Bob on January 12, 2005, at 19:58:38
Absolutely! It is warmer here anyway and the rain has stopped. I bet I can arrange a tour of the Jelly belly factory as well as wine tours.
We would, of course, want you to be a featured speaker too. :)
Posted by fallsfall on January 12, 2005, at 22:03:56
In reply to Re: Seminar » Dr. Bob, posted by daisym on January 12, 2005, at 20:01:26
Any ice cream factories nearby?
Posted by annierose on January 12, 2005, at 22:09:39
In reply to Re: Seminar » daisym, posted by fallsfall on January 12, 2005, at 22:03:56
Starbucks?
Well ... if there's wine, we may not need the coffee.
Posted by daisym on January 13, 2005, at 0:02:17
In reply to Re: Seminar, posted by annierose on January 12, 2005, at 22:09:39
We have Ben and Jerry's in SF and a Cold Stone and Starbucks across the street from my office. I happen to have an "in" with Dryers too...
I make great brownies and cinnamon rolls too. Is that enough to entice you?
Posted by Dinah on January 13, 2005, at 4:12:14
In reply to Re: Seminar, posted by daisym on January 13, 2005, at 0:02:17
I'm all set. I'll tell my therapist our plans today. :)
Posted by fallsfall on January 13, 2005, at 6:26:33
In reply to Re: Seminar, posted by daisym on January 13, 2005, at 0:02:17
I may need to word it as "A conference on Internet Support Groups". Somehow I think his ego would get in the way if I said "Daisy's therapist is going to teach all of you how to be wonderful".
Posted by annierose on January 13, 2005, at 6:49:55
In reply to Re: Seminar » daisym, posted by fallsfall on January 13, 2005, at 6:26:33
Posted by Dinah on January 13, 2005, at 18:59:26
In reply to Re: Seminar » daisym, posted by fallsfall on January 13, 2005, at 6:26:33
My homework assignment before *tomorrow's* session is to find posts that show instances of why we all think our therapists could use some tips from Daisy's.
Anyone got any bookmarked?
Posted by gardenergirl on January 13, 2005, at 19:18:28
In reply to Mine didn't find it nearly as amusing as I do, posted by Dinah on January 13, 2005, at 18:59:26
Interesting assignment. I wish I had some bookmarked, but I don't.
I would love to hear his response to what you find, though.
Oh, and I don't plan to tell mine. I really don't talk much about Babble, and things feel a bit rough right now on my end. Something about being needy again. (yuck, hate hating that.) No sense potentially rocking the boat more than it is already.
gg
Posted by mair on January 13, 2005, at 19:40:54
In reply to Mine didn't find it nearly as amusing as I do, posted by Dinah on January 13, 2005, at 18:59:26
I don't have any bookmarked, but they've got to be easy to find on every page, together with the ever popular refrain: "I want daisy's therapist."
I'm with GG, though, I told my T today i was back on the Board, but I don't think I'll share the wonders of daisy's therapist just yet.
For the moment, her stengths are far more obvious to me than her weaknesses.
I can't wait to hear his reaction however.
Mair
Posted by Annierose on January 13, 2005, at 21:13:43
In reply to Re: Mine didn't find it nearly as amusing as I do » Dinah, posted by mair on January 13, 2005, at 19:40:54
None bookmarked, but I remember how wonderful he was to Daisy right before he went on vacation, I believe in August .. he gave her the talisman and photo.
Dinah, I just love this about you. You seem to be able to talk about everything with your T. I need to work on this. I even think about some of these threads while I'm in therapy.
Posted by Dinah on January 13, 2005, at 21:16:08
In reply to Re: Mine didn't find it nearly as amusing as I do, posted by Annierose on January 13, 2005, at 21:13:43
I remembered that and found it. :)
I want to drown him in them. A virtual seminar. :D
Posted by annierose on January 13, 2005, at 22:25:21
In reply to Re: Mine didn't find it nearly as amusing as I do » Annierose, posted by Dinah on January 13, 2005, at 21:16:08
Please let us know how this went!!
Are you feeling better as a whole? I read your other posts. You have me a little worried. I find a long bath helps me too. Is it hard to take a deep breath?
Good Luck with your job. Did you and your father use to do the same line of work? I ask that because you mentioned that it wasn't fun working anymore without your father. It's hard going to work everyday when you do not feel valued or trusted. It takes even more energy to be productive, so much gets wasted on anger.
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