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Posted by B2Chica on November 15, 2004, at 18:57:41
In reply to Re: are eating disorders the same as depression?, posted by partlycloudy on November 13, 2004, at 12:02:15
ok, guess i have ta stick my crazy 2c in too.
for me the ED, tends to be more along the lines of SI and ocd (reminding me of alcoholism-can't stop with one...the urge, the temptation of the act not always the result).
For me i think it's MOSTLY the SI part. i self-injure in many ways. but a while ago i made some pretty bad scars and made S.attempt, since then i've stopped the cutting though the URGES...wow, still there, but i don't cut, but i do take lax instead. though i restrict too. i know if i went back to cutting i would eat more and maybe not use lax as often....dang i need therapy.and sometimes i just want that food OUT of me cuz i don't deserve it.
-well i could go deeper into my neurosis, but....
B2c.
> This struck a chord with me as my therapist had pointed out similarities between EDs and alcoholism. I know that when I concentrate on improving my nutrition - eating balanced meals, taking a multivitamin, and taking some supplements, the craving for booze is minimized.
> I also agree with Racer that it seems to be more to do with anxiety than with depression, at least in my case.
Posted by Susan47 on November 17, 2004, at 5:23:04
In reply to Re: are eating disorders the same as depression? » lostforwards, posted by jujube on November 12, 2004, at 18:18:07
Is Lindt milk chocolate with hazelnuts considered a food, or maybe even chocolate, a food group?
Posted by jujube on November 17, 2004, at 5:23:04
In reply to Re: are eating disorders the same as depression?, posted by Susan47 on November 15, 2004, at 19:43:27
I would consider it an antidepressant and a mood stabilizer all in one, with the added bonus of representing two of the major food groups (dairy and protein)! Nothing beats Lindt chocolate. Yum Yum
Tamara
> Is Lindt milk chocolate with hazelnuts considered a food, or maybe even chocolate, a food group?
Posted by Susan47 on November 18, 2004, at 1:37:18
In reply to Re: are eating disorders the same as depression? » Susan47, posted by jujube on November 15, 2004, at 19:47:10
I'm having milk chocolate and white wine. Is that poinsonous?
Posted by Susan47 on November 18, 2004, at 1:42:39
In reply to Re: are eating disorders the same as depression?, posted by Susan47 on November 18, 2004, at 1:37:18
See now, I knew there was something wrong with the way that word looked. Poisonous, sheesh I better lay off the wine.
Posted by auralee on November 22, 2004, at 18:32:37
In reply to Re: ED as SI ***possible trigger***, posted by B2Chica on November 14, 2004, at 17:44:58
hi guys. I agree with what one of you said about the ED and OCD. Also, I feel (and this may only be my feelings of course) that I need some sort of control in my life. i like to feel the power of being able to eat nothing and then the horrible feeling of a binge is like almost sabataging myself for even starting to feel ok. I feel as though it's not ok to feel good. I think it takes an enormous amount of strength to try and some days i absolutely hate myself so much that i cannot comprehend it - for not being able to conform or do as i would like. I have begun to realise only recently that my ED is most likely linked to other problems I have - my epilepsy (which i was not on any medication for and thought i was going nuts) and my OCD. I had been to numerous doctors - many had no idea what on earth was wrong with me, it ranged from the onset of schitzophrenia, to BPD (which is still an option) to Bipolar and so on. I could not think, I was flying into wild rages, and constantly fuzzy all the time. I knew something was wrong with me but had no idea what and when the impending doom would descend on me, I would know there is no way out of it. I have always been aware of my epilepsy, i have always been aware of my OCD, i have always been rather eccentric i guess but i do feel as though there is still something not quite right with me and i do not know what it is. No one seems to be able to know what is wrong and i can't blame them. In the meantime, i have gone from tegretol to topomax and while in between them (it was 21st birthday on the 17th nov) i took nothing (i had tapered off the tegretol). i was absolutely nuts. i could not think and flew into wild rages and rantings alike to dosteovesky. I was incoherently rambling and i even was aware of it myself. I was plummeted into such a deep abyss when someone would say even the slightest thing to me in which i could interpret the wrong way (and i would)! needless to say, i started the medication that night and have been ok since. no more craziness, just a little fuzzy and still feel my usual racing brain syndrome. does anyone feel like this????
Posted by smokeymadison on November 23, 2004, at 16:33:22
In reply to Racing brain, does anyone feel like this???, posted by auralee on November 22, 2004, at 18:32:37
yeah, i really do relate to how you feel. I was diagnosed with BPD last week while i was in the hospital. i have been through anorexia and bulimia and also have pure obsessional OCD. i had seizures while on one of my meds a few years ago. the bipolar diagnosis is still up in the air. all i know is that i can't take SSRIs because i get very manic on them and that i require a mood stabilizer all the time.
you should read "I Hate You, Don't Leave Me" It is about BPD and really opened my eyes to what is going on with me. bipolar disorder can mimic BPD. Usually people with BPD have mood swings that last hours to days, instead of weeks or months as in bipolar disorder. i have nightmares all the time where i just snap and become totally psychotic. A lot of the time, my thoughts feel very thick and go through my head very fast. oh my god my diary is full of incoherent ramblings of thoughts that seem to have no origins. it sounds pretty cool in a sort of unnerving way, though. Sometimes i swear i have ADD but i know that i don't. I would read that book if i were you, it really hit a cord with me. i also am so very sensitive to what other people say.
i have found that an antipsychotic (the two newest are Abilify and Geodon) and a mood stabilizer work the best. I prefer Trileptal, an anticonvulsant, but you have to be careful with anticonvulsants b/c of your epilepsy.
i wish you the best, i really know how you feel.
smokeymadison
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 23, 2004, at 23:26:08
In reply to Re: Racing brain, does anyone feel like this??? » auralee, posted by smokeymadison on November 23, 2004, at 16:33:22
> you should read "I Hate You, Don't Leave Me"
I'd just like to plug the double double quotes feature at this site:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#amazon
The first time anyone refers to a book, movie, or music without using this option, I post this to try to make sure he or she at least knows about it. It's just an option, though, and doesn't *have* to be used. If people *choose* not to use it, I'd be interested why not, but I'd like that redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020918/msgs/7717.html
Thanks!
Bob
Posted by auralee on November 24, 2004, at 18:20:39
In reply to Racing brain, does anyone feel like this???, posted by auralee on November 22, 2004, at 18:32:37
I think I will have to have a look at that book, sounds very interesting. My journal is a truely frightning jungle of ramblings. Some I wake up in the morning and revise; and am a bit befuddled. Some I just am like "what the hell was i thinking"? i am aware that my thinking is not what would be classified as 'normal' but i guess then you can begin to disect normal and that just opens a box for a huge rambling.
yes i have OCD as well. i had it as a child but i managed to control it myself. i still have it though. some days are way worse than others.
I can never say i am feeling ok because my mood changes are soooo frequent and so intense when they descend that i can't grasp what actually frame of mind i am in. it's very frustrating. sometimes i just feel plain grose. do you ever get that feeling? it's like everything i see and everything anyone will say to me will get warped in the prism of my head. i can't understand where this all came from? I am worried i am insane at times. or on the cusp.
Posted by smokeymadison on November 27, 2004, at 17:59:29
In reply to Re: Racing brain, does anyone feel like this???, posted by auralee on November 24, 2004, at 18:20:39
Sometimes i feel a lot of guilt, or maybe it is anger, at myself for being like this. my pdoc says that i have a lot of free-floating anger that attaches itself briefly to myself, my boyfriend, etc. sometimes i just really hate myself, i think. i really liked your reference to your mind as a "prism" it really makes sense, i think. we all filter what others do and say to make sense of it all. i wish i could write right now. i can't. nothing comes out very well at all. oh well. i just have to wait this out. i will write again in my journal sometime...
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