![[dr. bob]](/dr-bob-sm.gif)
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.orgShown: posts 15 to 39 of 86. Go back in thread:
Posted by Karen_kay on December 17, 2003, at 21:52:08
In reply to Re: Therapy gripe, posted by Joslynn on December 17, 2003, at 21:02:27
Kinda makes you wonder if we have any weird habits that they find annoying. No, I'm certain that I don't. Well, I do tend to put my feet up on the chair when I feel uncomfortable. But I catch myself and lower them. I think it is so I can hide my face. I just feel sorry for the poor sap who comes in after me and has to sit in the dirt that I leave on the chair from my shoe. I've often wondered if I should ask to sit on the floor so I can prop my feet up, but that wouldn't be ladylike (not prop my feet up but curl them all the way up next to my butt and rest my chin on my knees, catch watch I'm throwing?)...
Oh, something else he does... I think he knows I'm clumsy because he is always moving my coffee. Even when it is nowhere close to the edge of the coffee table. He reaches over to move it to the center of the table. He says he doesn't want it to fall. I've never spilled it before. I think maybe he's just used to having kids around or something, but goodness, I'm 24 years old. I know when a drink is too close to the edge of a table. Maybe he just wants to be near me because I smell good. Yeah, that's it!
Posted by Dinah on December 17, 2003, at 21:56:02
In reply to Re: Therapy gripe » Dinah, posted by Karen_kay on December 17, 2003, at 18:47:56
>
> <<<And this gets a smiley face???Proof of how fond of him I am, I suppose. (grin)
Posted by Miss Honeychurch on December 17, 2003, at 22:15:03
In reply to Re: Therapy gripe » Miss Honeychurch, posted by Karen_kay on December 17, 2003, at 16:44:13
OK, please brace yourself......
He ATE the freaking morsel that he picked out of his teeth!!!!!!!!! O sweet Lord. I can't tell you how much it bothered me! And yes, it did dampen my crush somewhat on him. I mean come on!! I can't stand any bodily functions in public like burping or picking your nose, etc. I wish I could see it like Dinah and think of his picking his teeth as a charming reminder of his humanity, but I am not that mature.
As far as the small talk, I have been going in there lately with a typed agenda which I present to him at the very beginning. I know he has NO idea how to take this, but I find it keeps things on on subject since a lot of times he likes to ramble.
Posted by fallsfall on December 17, 2003, at 22:57:27
In reply to Re: Therapy gripe » Karen_kay, posted by Miss Honeychurch on December 17, 2003, at 22:15:03
Posted by Karen_kay on December 18, 2003, at 8:39:44
In reply to Re: Therapy gripe » Karen_kay, posted by Miss Honeychurch on December 17, 2003, at 22:15:03
And you didn't say anything when he ate it? At least grunt or snort or make some sort of noise? Ewww! I wouldn't have been able to control myself. I admire you for your self control in that situation. I don't think I would have talked to my therapist for the remainder of the session. No, I would have talked to him. But, only to tell him how rude he is. Just plain yuck! [Did he look at it first?] :) This is rather fascinating. I'm so glad my therapist has manners!!! He's SO perfect, NOT at all like yours (just kidding!!)
As for the agenda.... WHAT????? How would you expect him to take that??? Do you have it timed out too?? See the example below..
9:00 Greetings
9:01 My mother
9:25 Husband's crap
9:32 Work related issues
9:45 Transference
9:49 Reschedule
9:49:30 Receipt and put on coatIs this a typical agenda? Girl, I thought I had control issues :) I'm only poking fun, you know...But, if you present him with an agenda that could show him that you are unsatisfied with your progress (or the rate of it), or you are unsatisfied with his work. It could also mean that you are stuck in a power struggle. Has he asked you about the agenda? Does he stick to the agenda? If he strays do you say, "Please refer to item number 3 on your agenda." It just makes therapy seem more like a business relationship.
When my therapist starts to ramble, which he does SO often, I glare at him (the only time I make eye contact). Also, I interupt him too (it is ok to be "rude", he doesn't mind. He knows I'm not rude. I have a very limited amount of time to get through things and when he's wasting my time with his crap about minivans and his own father (sorry mark :(] I have to focus the conversation back on me. If I don't feel that if pertains to me then I listen politely for a while and either look at the clock or interupt and say "Yeah, but I feel......" And if he tries to interupt me again I say "You're getting long-winded and not listening to what I'm saying..." It doesn't always work, but as ong as I have about 30 of the 50 minutes I'm happy. I appreciate his stories, but I like to hear myself talk as well :)
Posted by Miss Honeychurch on December 18, 2003, at 10:11:17
In reply to Re: Therapy gripe » Miss Honeychurch, posted by Karen_kay on December 18, 2003, at 8:39:44
Karen, your agenda is better than mine!!
I think he finds the whole agenda thing pretty funny to tell you the truth. I mainly do it so I'm sure I get to talk about what I want to talk about. For example, concerning the whole transference thing, I wanted to go in there one week and pick up where we left off the week before and I was going to introduce my bathroom dream and then work from there. But he had other plans and we spent the entire time talking about my marriage. I suppose this has therapeutic value since one of the reasons I started therapy was to decide if I wanted a divorce or not. So basically, all of my momentum about the father/figure transference thing was lost that day and I don't have the same urgency to talk about it, and now I'm frustrated! At the beginning of therapy, he told me that a lot of what we talk about is up to me so I decided to make things easier on all of us and do agendas.
I think I'll go in there this afternoon though with your agenda (complete with times) and see what he says. That was too hilarious! Anyway, today's agenda will be the following (and it looks like this)
Miss Honeychurch
December 18, 2003
2:00 pmAGENDA
1. Continuation of dream analysis from week before
2. Continuing saga with father and step-monster
3. Feelings of mediocrity
4. Constant need for attention
I realize this is really funny, but it helps me talk about what I want to talk about. I can only imagine what he says to his colleagues about this. IT's funny, I never looked at it as a control issue. I need to think more about that now, interesting observation. I thought I was just being thorough!
And no, he didn't look at it before he ate "the morsel." Just dug it out of the back and placed it on his tongue like a champ!
Posted by Karen_kay on December 18, 2003, at 11:20:09
In reply to Re: Therapy gripe » Karen_kay, posted by Miss Honeychurch on December 18, 2003, at 10:11:17
I SO look forward to you posts! :) So, as for the teeth-picking incident. I can't believe that. And you didn't glare at him in disgust? I would have.
I find it odd that you don't get to talk about what you want to talk about. My therapist always lets me talk about what I want to talk about. I control what we talk about. There was one occassion where we were talking about my father adn in the middle of the discussion I interrupted him and said "Oh, I have to ask you a question." He knew it was off topic, so he told me to stick with this for a while and we'd come back to it. I told himto be sure to remind me later. He didn't remind me later, but I remembered. The question was if he thought I have antisocial personality disorder (I'm paranoid, I know). But, I've been researching it and I've been scared maybe I have it. He reassured me I don't.
Why not be brave today and make this agenda....
Miss Honeychurch
December 18, 2003
2:00 pm2:00-2:49 Feelings of transference towards therapist
2:49-2:50 Holiday Greetings and petty annoyances
Do you both have a copy of the agenda?
Do you mark the items off when you finish discussing them?I might take your idea for an agenda and use it, would that be ok? My therapist would get a kick out of that.... He would laugh for sure! I still think that is SO!! funny! An agenda for therapy. Girl, you are too much! That is it! I'll start making an agenda and will take him a list of *appropriate* nice things to say about me... Am I being too demanding?
Posted by naiad on December 18, 2003, at 11:39:00
In reply to Re: Therapy gripe » Miss Honeychurch, posted by Karen_kay on December 18, 2003, at 8:39:44
Wow, I wish I had the problem of my therapist talking too much. As someone else on this thread said, its the silence that kills me. I really think I am answering a question and then bingo back comes another question to dig deeper or clarify. And he stares at me -- I guess looking for some body language clues. I only sense this,of course, becuase I am looking around the room, out the window or down at my shoes.
When he does talk, I am enthralled because he loves literature and quotes poets. He also has a beautiful. melodius voice which I find comforting and soooo sexy. Of well, thats another problem I have...transferance. It's hard for me to feel critical of him since i believe he knows what he is doing, and I am the clueless one.
Thanks for letting me vent.
Posted by Miss Honeychurch on December 18, 2003, at 12:08:19
In reply to You are TOO much! » Miss Honeychurch, posted by Karen_kay on December 18, 2003, at 11:20:09
I have been laughing for 10 minutes about my new agenda
2 - 2:49 Transference
2:49-2:50 Holiday greetings and petty annoyances
That is GOLD!
And don't get me wrong, he does let me talk about what I want to talk about. A lot of times I'll start the conversation but then he'll steer it onto a topic which I don't find particularly helpful (although he must think it is helpful) so we end up discussing something sometimes which I have no interest in. This way I KNOW at least he sees what I want to talk about.
And by all means, please use and agenda, no problem!
I think I was too shocked to know how to react to the teeth picking. It hasn't happened again though. Maybe if he does it again I'll produce my compact mirror out of my purse for his use.
Posted by Miss Honeychurch on December 18, 2003, at 12:13:45
In reply to You are TOO much! » Miss Honeychurch, posted by Karen_kay on December 18, 2003, at 11:20:09
I make sure we both have a copy of the agenda, but I don't really mark off when the issue has been addressed. I am laughing so hard now, this sounds COMPLETELY ludicrous the more I think about it!
I'm going in there this afternoon completely giddy. Can't wait to show him my new agenda complete with times.
Posted by Penny on December 18, 2003, at 12:41:52
In reply to Re: You are TOO much! » Karen_kay, posted by Miss Honeychurch on December 18, 2003, at 12:08:19
> I think I was too shocked to know how to react to the teeth picking. It hasn't happened again though. Maybe if he does it again I'll produce my compact mirror out of my purse for his use.
I, personally, think you should wrap up some dental floss and give it to him for Christmas. But you have to include a card that says he has to use it BEFORE your session, not during!!!
sorry...couldn't resist. this is too funny.
P
Posted by Penny on December 18, 2003, at 12:44:12
In reply to Re: Therapy gripe, posted by Joslynn on December 17, 2003, at 15:59:21
My pdoc usually sees me last thing on Friday evening, and I guess he feels especially comfortable with me, b/c if he hasn't eaten his dinner yet he usually asks if it's okay if he eats in front of me. Which I don't mind, b/c I make a point of eating before I go, because I never know how long I'm going to have to wait to see him. Sometimes he's right on time (rarely) and sometimes he's 2-3 hours behind. But I'm not complaining, b/c he spends as much or more time with me as with his other patients. I'm usually in with him for about an hour.
P
Posted by Karen_kay on December 18, 2003, at 13:00:11
In reply to Re: Therapy gripe, posted by Penny on December 18, 2003, at 12:44:12
What, he eats in front of you? Like a few grapes or a meal? I go into my therapist's office and he always has snacks open in his office and offers then to me (See, he has perfect manners, unlike Miss Honey's... :).... But, back to you Penny...
Does he eat like a whole meal? I might be interested to know what my therapist eats but I would be extremely upset if he ate in front of me. I think I would be upset if he ate anything, how could he be free to comment? I get upset when my therapist coughs. I find it distracting. But, if you aren't upset, then you are a bigger person than I am..
But, did you say he **2 or 3** hours behind?? Do you wait for him?? What is that??? Oh man, I'd be fuming!! Do you wait in the waiting room for 3 hours? Maybe I read this wrong. Please clear this up. This is causing me to have some transference issues with my therapist. I'm getting mad at mine because yours makes you wait that long. I get upset when I have to wait 1 minute in the waiting room. I couldn't imagine! Please let me know soon... I sense a panic attack coming on :(
Posted by Karen_kay on December 18, 2003, at 13:07:17
In reply to Re: You are TOO much! » Karen_kay, posted by Miss Honeychurch on December 18, 2003, at 12:13:45
I think it is SO cute that you produce an agenda! But, it shows that maybe you are stuck in "business mode." Next time, maybe you could do a power point presentation as well? Ha ha...
Or highlight some sections that he needs to pay particular attention to? (Such as transference)How did you come up with the idea of an agenda? What was his reaction the first time you brought it in?
I think it is cute... :)
I'll try it, but just once. I'm sure my therapist will laugh for about 20 minutes.
Posted by LostGirl on December 18, 2003, at 13:20:22
In reply to Re: You are TOO much! » Miss Honeychurch, posted by Karen_kay on December 18, 2003, at 13:07:17
This is great. Absolutely great.
How vulnerable we are in those chairs/couches sitting across from these beings. How we notice every little things.
Tooth-picking....way better than nose-picking which would be grounds to flee immediately and forever but gross nonetheless.
Eating in front of you? Wow. I don't want to know that they eat or do other human functions. I hated when my former one occasionally let me in and said he's going to the bathroom and would be right back. I think he had me go in to his office first, rather than continue to wait in the waiting room because I would have heard him peeing in the little bathroom off the waiting room. I definitely would not have wanted that! It was bad enough picturing that he was actually in the bathroom, holding his.......
Anyway....my current therapist is in her 50s,female, very prim and proper,wears expensive real jewelry, has a mink coat hanging there, wears very high heels with pointy toes, has died steaky blonde hair - everything opposite from me. And then one day I notice for the first time a TATOO on the inside of one ankle of a rose. I couldn't believe it - it so didn't fit. And I was pre-occupied with it after that - like did she have this all along and I never noticed it because she usually wears boots, or crosses her legs so I only see the other side of the ankle. It just didn't fit.
Posted by Penny on December 18, 2003, at 13:22:38
In reply to Re: Therapy gripe » Penny, posted by Karen_kay on December 18, 2003, at 13:00:11
ROTF!!!!!!!! OMG - you are SOOOOO funny Karen Kay!!!! Thanks for the laugh.
When my pdoc eats in front of me, it's like a meal - like a sandwich or something - not like a snack. And we talk during that time - it's not therapy like with my therapist, but we catch up on the week or however long it's been since I've seen him. He's a fast eater, so it doesn't take long, and he *always* asks my permission. Note: he usually sees me at 6 p.m. or later on Friday night, and he's been in the office ALL DAY, and is sometimes there seeing patients until midnight or so. So I don't begrudge him his evening meal. I don't know if he eats in front of other patients or not, but it doesn't bother me.
As for the waiting - yeah, sometimes if he's running really behind I might wait for 2 hours or so. One time he had an emergency admit to the hospital that he had to arrange for another patient and I ended waiting even longer. I was given the option of rescheduling, but I didn't really have anything better to be doing anyway, and I had my book with me, so...
I just go to his office prepared. I bring my journal, a book, sometimes crosswords or cross stitch or something. Lately he's been more on time than not, but it all depends.
But, to me, this is a small price to pay for the amount of access I have to him. Like I said, I'm usually in with him for an hour or more. And I can page him ANY TIME day or night, and he'll call me back. I called his office one night at 11:30 p.m. and fully didn't expect him to be there, but he was, and he was on another call, and I was really upset, and he called me back and I was on the phone with him for like 30 minutes. He didn't charge me - he doesn't charge for phone calls. He's given me his home number, just in case. He helps me out with my meds. He waives part of my fee b/c he knows I can't afford to pay him the entire amount I'm supposed to pay him (he does get reimbursed by insurance for their part though).
My pdoc has a very fatherly stance toward me. He's a little older than my dad (about three years) and he's the father of FIVE children, the oldest of which is a little younger than I am, and sometimes when he's talking to me about my work stuff or my dating stuff (mind you, he's the ONLY man I've ever been able to be really open with about those kinds of things!), I feel like he's my dad and I'm his daughter and he's giving me fatherly advice. My dad isn't anything like that, so I love it.
Sorry...I think my pdoc is the greatest thing since sliced bread... :-) He also referred me to my therapist, who I love. She is almost always on time for our sessions and is also very accessible to me, but I think that therapists are *usually* more punctual. I don't hold my pdoc's inability to stay on schedule against him one bit. :-)
P
Posted by Penny on December 18, 2003, at 13:31:56
In reply to Re: You are TOO much!, posted by LostGirl on December 18, 2003, at 13:20:22
> Eating in front of you? Wow. I don't want to know that they eat or do other human functions. I hated when my former one occasionally let me in and said he's going to the bathroom and would be right back. I think he had me go in to his office first, rather than continue to wait in the waiting room because I would have heard him peeing in the little bathroom off the waiting room. I definitely would not have wanted that! It was bad enough picturing that he was actually in the bathroom, holding his.......
The bathroom at my pdoc's office is pretty soundproof, which is great! And he never says he's going to the bathroom just that he'll be 'right back' which could be getting water or whatever. My former boss used to use an old Navy term - "I've gotta go hit the head." It was disgusting!!!
But in my T's office, there are two bathrooms in a small suite of offices, and they aren't designated as men's or women's, so I think it's kind of strange as there are only four offices there! But when you're in her office and someone goes into one of the bathrooms, you can hear them peeing! Ewwww. But not if they're in the other bathroom.
> Anyway....my current therapist is in her 50s,female, very prim and proper,wears expensive real jewelry, has a mink coat hanging there, wears very high heels with pointy toes, has died steaky blonde hair - everything opposite from me. And then one day I notice for the first time a TATOO on the inside of one ankle of a rose. I couldn't believe it - it so didn't fit. And I was pre-occupied with it after that - like did she have this all along and I never noticed it because she usually wears boots, or crosses her legs so I only see the other side of the ankle. It just didn't fit.
Wow...my former T was pretty prim and proper - very petite, perfect hair and makeup, jewelry (though nothing extravagant) and her clothes were always so neat. I can imagine that she was a bit anal about appearance, not that she ever made any allusions to my lack of neatness. My current T occasionally wears jeans and more often wears either long skirts or slacks and she's much more relaxed in appearance - and I like that. Her hair is graying (she's somewhere in her 50s) and is longish and she wears it either twisted up (which is my favorite) or in barrettes. She has a comfortable look about her.My pdoc doesn't wear suits - usually khakis and a button front shirt with the top button open and the sleeves rolled up. Also very relaxed.
P
Posted by pegasus on December 18, 2003, at 14:15:24
In reply to Therapy gripe, posted by Karen_kay on December 17, 2003, at 15:08:39
Sometimes when I go into apology overdrive, he gets a little exasperated and stops telling me that it's ok. He's supposed to keep telling me that forever! Once he joked about what would happen if he agreed with me. If he said something like, "Yeah, well you better be sorry!" Yikes!
Posted by Karen_kay on December 18, 2003, at 15:15:21
In reply to Re: You are TOO much!, posted by LostGirl on December 18, 2003, at 13:20:22
You mean my therapist uses the restroom? (and I'm only half joking here...) I try not to see him as human. He's super human. He's not like any man I've met before. Ok, so I'll say he does go #1 but most certainly not # 2... No no no...
(Not that I wouldn't mind picturing him holding his...)As for the tatoo... I'd said "Wow, nice ink. I wouldn't think YOU would have a tatoo." Ha ha.. See what she says. But, I'm bad about calling people on things. And he calls me on things too. So I guess that makes us even? But he's the therapist, he's supposed to know better.
Posted by Karen_kay on December 18, 2003, at 15:30:08
In reply to Re: Therapy gripe » Karen_kay, posted by Penny on December 18, 2003, at 13:22:38
Ok, I see now....I would NOT want to spend an entire hour with my pdoc. Sometimes the 15 minutes I have with him is too much to take. I enjoy the nurses in his office. They are a hoot! But it is sweet you have such a great relationship with him. Do you ever ask for a bite of his sandwhich? If it were my pdoc or therapist and they kept me waiting that long I'd be like "Hey, you kept me waiting so long, I'm famished. Do you mind sliding some of that my way?" I guess that's why I'm not very popular with my doctors, only the staff? The staff member seem to like me a lot, but they don't know me that well >)
My therapist doesn't seem to respond well to phone calls. If I call him, he calls back, but gets bent out of shape. (I can just hear it in his voice, maybe I'm just paranoid) Sort of like "Why are you calling me?" And I don't call often. I've been seeing him almost a year and I've called him maybe 7 times, 5 of which were to check appointment times or to schedule. So, I've only called twice "to talk"... Yeah, maybe he's a jerk. And he bites his fingernails sometimes. But, when he does I just kind of grunt and look away. I figure that is my way of showing my disapproval (like he cares?)
So, when they are picking their teeth, and noses, and nails.. does this mean we are boring them? Or that they can't stay focused? Or they just have poor manners? (Of course mine has the best manners.. he doesn't pick his teeth and eat it ROFL.....
It could be dangerous leaving someone in the waiting room for such an extended period of time, especially if they are waiting for their drugs.
Posted by Dinah on December 18, 2003, at 20:13:48
In reply to Re: You are TOO much!, posted by LostGirl on December 18, 2003, at 13:20:22
I think "I'll be right in" would have been sufficient, without telling you why. :)
I hate it when he leaves me in his office though. I always want to sneak a peek at my file.
Posted by Karen_kay on December 18, 2003, at 20:32:30
In reply to Re: You are TOO much! » LostGirl, posted by Dinah on December 18, 2003, at 20:13:48
Sneak a peek at your file? I wouldn't dare! I might, but I have a big mouth. He always leaves me in his office. As soon as I walk in to get something to drink, and after we are finished so he can get my receipt. I guess I could look at my file, but I would spend quite a while yelling at him about what he wrote. Maybe next session I'll ask what's in my file. And ask to have a peek. If he argues or tries to protest, then I have reason for concern. If he doesn't then I won't waste my time. But, I'm going to try the agenda thing, and the list of compliments. The agenda is purely to see his reaction. The list of compliments is so he will stop offending me with his lame ones.
One other thing that made me mad. He waited until the last two minutes and casually said "And in two weeks we can continue talking about such and such...." What was that??? Kinda made me mad. He could have at least told me earlier.
Posted by Dinah on December 18, 2003, at 20:46:16
In reply to Bad girl! » Dinah, posted by Karen_kay on December 18, 2003, at 20:32:30
I've never actually done it. I just hate being left with the urge.
I had the vacation/out of town talk with my therapist several times. He now knows to bring those things up at the beginning of the session as soon as he knows, rather than the end of session right before hand. I think that's only fair of him. I had to threaten to make session appointments a couple of months in advance, so that he would realize he needed to cancel, but he got the point and is pretty good about it now.
Posted by Karen_kay on December 18, 2003, at 21:12:20
In reply to Re: Not so bad girl. » Karen_kay, posted by Dinah on December 18, 2003, at 20:46:16
Every time I go in to my session I have the urge to ask him "Are you planning a vacation any time soon?" But, I almost don't want to know the answer to that. It may give him ideas. Maybe he doesn't think about a vacation. And I certainly wouldn't want to suggest one for him. Besides, I wouldn't see someone else, even if he suggested someone. It would just be a waste of my time and money. And I hate wasting money (yeah right).
Posted by Bell_75 on December 19, 2003, at 0:52:49
In reply to Re: Therapy gripe, posted by Miss Honeychurch on December 17, 2003, at 15:30:48
> My therapist seems to think that if we talk about something rationally for 15 minutes that my way of thinking will be "fixed." Last week we were discussing some of the guilt I was experiencing as a result of something which happened with my father. So I was telling him my seemingly irrational thought on the matter and he replaced it with more rational thinking. So after I said "yes, that makes sense." he said "Ok, then, that's taken care of," and then we'll move on! Little does he know I like to discuss things AT LENGTH and that my irrational thinking is not going to stop simply because he spent 15 minutes on the topic and declared it closed for the day!!!
>
> Another gripe is that we spend the first 5 minutes with small talk. Weather, current events, etc. I think this is such a waste of time and money! I have tried to go in there and immediately start addressing a particular subject, but it never really seems to work.
>
> And I know this was addressed earlier, but last week, for the first time ever, he picked his teeth in front of me! I was absolutely horrified. I'm sure he didn't even realize that he did it.
>
>LOL Ack the opening small talk! I feel your pain!
in today's session with sir shrink he was overtime with the person before me so i got in there half an hour after my booked time then he gave me a whole big spin on why he's late, how he's sorry if he seems abit on edge in my sessions cause theyre the last of a busy day and we talked about a few irrelevant borderline things that werent really the reason why I was there and all I could think was "we've already lost 1/2 an hour of our session why dont we skip the small talk this week".
Also, the very first words are often difficult to find because I walk in sit down, he does same then he looks at me as though "so what did you come for?" I don't know how to start the session.
He used to ask "so how was your week?" but now that's gone out the window I just sort of initiate convo on how my week was starting with the first thing that made that week not a good one lol
And also i related to how you mentioned how shrinks are under the impression that 15 minutes of rational thought solves a lifetime's problems.
My therapist once said to me "I don't even think you'd meet the criteria for depression now" just because I mentioned I'd been feeling good lately with how things are. (i still do think i have depression criteria or not, its not like I want to say I do but its just a matter-of-fact for now).
Bah! I love this group. So many people experiences similar stuff to me.
*hugs everyone in the group*
Go forward in thread:
Psycho-Babble Psychology | Extras | FAQ
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.org
Script revised: February 4, 2008
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl
Copyright 2006-17 Robert Hsiung.
Owned and operated by Dr. Bob LLC and not the University of Chicago.