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Posted by mattdds on March 9, 2003, at 17:58:50
Hey all,
Some people over on the other board were asking about how I got better using CBT, and wanted help using these methods to get better themselves.
I'd be happy to help anyone in any way I can, as I just told Pura Vida.
I'd like to get a positive, productive and exciting discussion going about CBT. I promised Krissy I would do this, so here I am.
I also would love for people to discuss **specific** problems, and maybe as a group we can come up with **specific** CBT solutions to help each other out.
What do you guys think?
Thanks, and hope to hear from some of you!
Matt
Posted by mattdds on March 11, 2003, at 15:01:46
In reply to CBT Discussion, posted by mattdds on March 9, 2003, at 17:58:50
Hi,
Here is an interesting study on CBT, imipramine, and their combination for the treatment of panic disorder.
http://www.geocities.com/uscpharmd2005/HMOs.pdf
Thanks,
Matt
Posted by ShelliR on March 12, 2003, at 12:30:27
In reply to Re: CBT Discussion, posted by mattdds on March 11, 2003, at 15:01:46
Matt,
how do you find a therapist who speacializes in CBT?
thanks,
Shelli
Posted by male34 on March 13, 2003, at 22:15:53
In reply to CBT Discussion, posted by mattdds on March 9, 2003, at 17:58:50
ok here goes im male & 34 yrs old , ive had anxiety since 4th grade I cant go out far away with friends in there car for example cause I also feel the need to escape when I want to escape ,and changes in life always bring on anxiety (I guees its like a comfort zone to routine?) i get panic and anxiety bad and feel hot flashes heated goose bumps and sick stomach.Im guessing its also agoraphobia but if Im driving and in control its not so bad,this so hard to explain ive got a wife three kids a house and I dont want to lose it all to anxiety problems so can you help me? Im on lexapro 6th week still side affect anxiety! I also take very samll dose of diazapam. was on paxil did not work that great for anxiety, but MY POINT i want to kick this bad anxiety since childhood, my great mom just died and my worker of 7 years moved so ive been seperated from 2 people I liked to say I felt comfort in relieng on,now im anxious is this seperation anziety? I dont know ? but every darn day I feel anxiety lately !please help I will work real hard to fix and correct this and take your CBT advice!thanks I pray you and I can help this matter,thanks
Posted by Krissy P on March 14, 2003, at 0:25:29
In reply to Re: CBT Discussion, posted by male34 on March 13, 2003, at 22:15:53
Hi Matt and all, I did about 3 years of CBT and it helped a lot. When I saw my therapist, as we talked, she would often ask me, after I responded, why do you feel that way? or What has helped you in the past? etc. I think that many therapists that involve themselves in CBT are interested in 2 goals: 1) Why you feel the way you do, and 2) what can you do to help yourself feel better emotionally about the way you feel?
When I did CBT, I thought and thought A LOT. I wrote and wrote, I talked and talked. I got stuff out of me and with the help of a couple of great therapists, I was able to see things that may have been holding me back. Ex: my thoughts, my judgements, my beliefs, etc. CBT is a lot of hard work-but it is sooooo worth it, and I honestly think it does not end.
male34- I am so sorry to hear about your mother's death, and my thoughts are with you. I often got the anxiety you speak of here, I would be in class and my chest would just turn all blotchy. I was insecure. I was bullied at a very young age, molested at 7, bullied by my father, and my grandmother, (who I am actually helping take care of now-I guess knowing she will be 90 this year-life is too short for resentment) (depending) Anyway, Paxil also didn't help me with my anxiety in 1999-it made it 100x worse. male34- life is about change and we all face anxiety about it. If someone says they haven't they are probably lying lol. Try to think about what the worst case scenario would be when you want to change your anxiety-if you did---but also, try to think about the positive outcomes of the consequences when you forget for just a bit about your anxiety and do want you want to do, where you want to go, etc.
This is an example of what CBT therapists help with. Hang in there male34-I hope this helped some and I would be happy to share or help anyone who is wondering about CBT.
All the best, Kristen:-)
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ok here goes im male & 34 yrs old , ive had anxiety since 4th grade I cant go out far away with friends in there car for example cause I also feel the need to escape when I want to escape ,and changes in life always bring on anxiety (I guees its like a comfort zone to routine?) i get panic and anxiety bad and feel hot flashes heated goose bumps and sick stomach.Im guessing its also agoraphobia but if Im driving and in control its not so bad,this so hard to explain ive got a wife three kids a house and I dont want to lose it all to anxiety problems so can you help me? Im on lexapro 6th week still side affect anxiety! I also take very samll dose of diazapam. was on paxil did not work that great for anxiety, but MY POINT i want to kick this bad anxiety since childhood, my great mom just died and my worker of 7 years moved so ive been seperated from 2 people I liked to say I felt comfort in relieng on,now im anxious is this seperation anziety? I dont know ? but every darn day I feel anxiety lately !please help I will work real hard to fix and correct this and take your CBT advice!thanks I pray you and I can help this matter,thanks
Posted by Ilene on March 14, 2003, at 11:16:20
In reply to CBT Discussion, posted by mattdds on March 9, 2003, at 17:58:50
>
> I'd like to get a positive, productive and exciting discussion going about CBT. I promised Krissy I would do this, so here I am.
>
> I also would love for people to discuss **specific** problems, and maybe as a group we can come up with **specific** CBT solutions to help each other out.
>
> What do you guys think?
>
> Thanks, and hope to hear from some of you!
>
> Matt
I bought Dr. Burns' first book (came out in 1980) and it helped me a great deal. It provided some much-needed insight into my assumptions. I discovered that my thinking was really distorted. For example, I actually expected people to do what *I thought* they should do. Once I realized that, I found I could change my behavior in positive ways.As an aside: I was listening to the radio late Sunday night--a program about Cambodian refugees who had undergone torture. They also found CBT helpful because it fit into their Buddhist "living in the present" or "be here now" tradition. I never saw it that way before.
Many studies have shown meds + CBT is better than either by itself. Even Burns himself says people w/ BP *need* meds.
(Right now I couldn't do it. I need to *stop* thinking about myself. I have a hard time doing anything that isn't fully engrossing, such as posting. I need enough boost from meds to give me a steady platform. *Then* I want to do it in a structured way.)
II'm not exactly clear on the difference between "cognitive" and "cognitive-behavioral" therapies. Maybe someone can clarify that.
I'd look for a therapist who is accredited/certified in CBT or CT. I found a few websites:
http://www.nacbt.org/
http://www.academyofct.org/
http://www.babcp.org.uk/Dr. Burns' site:
http://www.feelinggood.com/--I.
Posted by Krissy P on March 14, 2003, at 11:34:46
In reply to Re: CBT Discussion » mattdds, posted by Ilene on March 14, 2003, at 11:16:20
Great post-thanks for sharing this. I'm going to check out Dr. Burns' site.
I still, at times, expect people to do what *I think* they should do-and also I need to *stop* thinking about myself. Oh boy am I working on these 2. It all goes back to the control issue.
Thanks again
Kristen
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> I bought Dr. Burns' first book (came out in 1980) and it helped me a great deal. It provided some much-needed insight into my assumptions. I discovered that my thinking was really distorted. For example, I actually expected people to do what *I thought* they should do. Once I realized that, I found I could change my behavior in positive ways.
As an aside: I was listening to the radio late Sunday night--a program about Cambodian refugees who had undergone torture. They also found CBT helpful because it fit into their Buddhist "living in the present" or "be here now" tradition. I never saw it that way before.
Many studies have shown meds + CBT is better than either by itself. Even Burns himself says people w/ BP *need* meds.
(Right now I couldn't do it. I need to *stop* thinking about myself. I have a hard time doing anything that isn't fully engrossing, such as posting. I need enough boost from meds to give me a steady platform. *Then* I want to do it in a structured way.)
II'm not exactly clear on the difference between "cognitive" and "cognitive-behavioral" therapies. Maybe someone can clarify that.
>
> I'd look for a therapist who is accredited/certified in CBT or CT. I found a few websites:
>
> http://www.nacbt.org/
> http://www.academyofct.org/
> http://www.babcp.org.uk/
>
> Dr. Burns' site:
> http://www.feelinggood.com/
>
> --I.
>
Posted by Medusa on March 16, 2003, at 5:31:19
In reply to CBT Discussion, posted by mattdds on March 9, 2003, at 17:58:50
Great, Matt. Count me in!
I have Linehan's workbook, should probably dig it out and see what questions I have. I'm a lot better than I used to be ... but want to get closer to well.
Posted by ShelliR on March 16, 2003, at 11:00:40
In reply to Re: CBT Discussion » mattdds, posted by Ilene on March 14, 2003, at 11:16:20
Posted by mattdds on March 16, 2003, at 16:08:10
In reply to Re: CBT Discussion » mattdds, posted by Ilene on March 14, 2003, at 11:16:20
Hey Ilene,
These are great sites, thanks for sharing.
Matt
Posted by Medusa on March 17, 2003, at 9:02:15
In reply to CBT Discussion, posted by mattdds on March 9, 2003, at 17:58:50
> I also would love for people to discuss **specific** problems, and maybe as a group we can come up with **specific** CBT solutions to help each other out.
>Okay, **specific** problems:
1) I have a really, really hard time getting out of the house.
2) I feel a job search is futile, as I'll just lose any job I get. (I can see the flawed thinking in there, but can't seem to re-route it.)
3) My thoughts rage in circles that I can't stop or distract. These days: DH's lousy "friends".
There are more, but this is enough to begin with!
Posted by PuraVida on March 17, 2003, at 21:24:10
In reply to Re: CBT Discussion » Ilene, posted by Krissy P on March 14, 2003, at 11:34:46
Try www.cognitivetherapy.com, too. There is another thread (or 2) going on CBT here as well -
PV
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