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Posted by MightyKondrian on September 16, 2017, at 10:09:43
In reply to Has anyone actually responded well to fish oil?, posted by SLS on September 16, 2017, at 0:24:54
> Has anyone actually had a true, robust, and unambiguous response to fish oil?
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> * Depression?
> * Mania?
> * Anxiety?
> * OCD?
> * Psychosis?
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> Thanks.
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>
> - Scott
>Funny you ask that. My answer is truthfully NO. I take them + omega 6 as precautions only because of the benefits studied. Plus omega 3 in the diet where I live is extremely poor. My doc says you need at least 500mg EPA daily
Posted by linkadge on September 19, 2017, at 11:35:56
In reply to Re: Has anyone actually responded well to fish oil?, posted by MightyKondrian on September 16, 2017, at 10:09:43
My answer is YES.
I don't do well on high EPA concentrates.
However high DHA does help me significantly.
I would liken 500mg of DHA to say 125mg of Depakote in terms of mood stabilization.
DHA feels like a mood stabilizer for me, but it also has a notable pro-cognitive effect.
DHA has potent neurotrophic effects.
Linkadge
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 13, 2017, at 2:14:52
In reply to Has anyone actually responded well to fish oil?, posted by SLS on September 16, 2017, at 0:24:54
no i was worse
Posted by SLS on October 13, 2017, at 22:08:06
In reply to Re: Has anyone actually responded well to fish oil?, posted by Lamdage22 on October 13, 2017, at 2:14:52
> no i was worse
Maybe the approach Linkadge takes deserves consideration. In the past, EPA was the focus of research to the exclusion of DHA. In fact, Omegabrite, the product of Stoll et al., was suggested to be a better antidepressant because it was pure EPA. Maybe, as Linkadge suggests, DHA has been neglected as a therapeutic agent. Still, I am waiting for someone who has had severe depression report that fish oil produced a persistent remission.
- Scott
Posted by linkadge on November 14, 2017, at 17:17:15
In reply to Re: Has anyone actually responded well to fish oil?, posted by SLS on October 13, 2017, at 22:08:06
I've read that DHA exerts a more structural effect in its actions, wherase EPA is a more hormonal effect.
DHA feels more like a mood stabilizer to me in how it acts.
What I have found (personally) is that lower doses are better. I don't take multiple grams of it. 500mg of DHA and 500mg of EPA is plenty.
Actually, as mentioned, I respond better to high DHA products.
Lithium works in part by increasing the levels of a DHA metabolite.
Also, DHA can increase the seizure threshold in experimentally induced seizures.
Linkadge
Posted by beckett2 on November 16, 2017, at 22:54:28
In reply to Has anyone actually responded well to fish oil?, posted by SLS on September 16, 2017, at 0:24:54
> Has anyone actually had a true, robust, and unambiguous response to fish oil?
>
> * Depression?
> * Mania?
> * Anxiety?
> * OCD?
> * Psychosis?
>
> Thanks.
No, I can't say that, but my mood is pretty labile, and small substances etc affect me easily. I started a week ago, a modest dose in the range Link mentioned. It hasn't worsened my mood. I give it to my kid for attention issues and as a mental health prophylactic, given my mood disorder. I'm pretty sure I see a difference in his ability to focus. Thank goodness his dad is stable :)
But what did you mean by 'achieving remission'? I'm thinking in combination with medication.
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>
> - Scott
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Posted by chrismeurer on November 18, 2017, at 17:22:18
In reply to Re: Has anyone actually responded well to fish oil? » SLS, posted by beckett2 on November 16, 2017, at 22:54:28
Felt no difference after taking about 1 g of EPA for 2 months. There's good research on it though, I read on psycheducation that 1 g EPA is probably the most effective dosage based on several studies. Guess it is worth a try.
Chris
Posted by mogger on January 25, 2018, at 21:48:35
In reply to Has anyone actually responded well to fish oil?, posted by SLS on September 16, 2017, at 0:24:54
Omegavia EPA 500 is critical to my regime. Enteric coated. Besides lithium it is the most powerful thing I take. I take 4 grams of EPA a day and if I feel really rough I up it to 6 grams and feel a difference. Problem is that it has made my cholesterol plummet to a dangerous low.
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 13, 2018, at 14:36:51
In reply to Re: Has anyone actually responded well to fish oil? » SLS, posted by mogger on January 25, 2018, at 21:48:35
Many people say it does not lower cholesterol! Maybe alot of pharma $$$ go into that.
"Problem is that it has made my cholesterol plummet to a dangerous low."
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 13, 2018, at 14:43:33
In reply to Re: Has anyone actually responded well to fish oil?, posted by Lamdage22 on December 13, 2018, at 14:36:51
Its good that you are exploring options, Scott. Fishoil from nordic naturals made me worse, however algae oil does not. Go figure. Its where fish get their DHA/EPA from.
I find myself "dancing" in my car. I enjoy music more.
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 13, 2018, at 14:47:08
In reply to Re: Has anyone actually responded well to fish oil? » SLS, posted by mogger on January 25, 2018, at 21:48:35
Sorry for the triple post. I take 1,8g of EPA. Does it kick in more at higher dosages? At what point did you feel the effects? How did you titrate?
Posted by mogger on December 13, 2018, at 15:02:25
In reply to Re: Has anyone actually responded well to fish oil?, posted by Lamdage22 on December 13, 2018, at 14:47:08
Do you just take EPA I hope? DHA depresses me. No less than 4 grams EPA for me. What brand of algae do you use? Spirulina or Blue Green Algae?
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 13, 2018, at 17:04:19
In reply to Re: Has anyone actually responded well to fish oil? » Lamdage22, posted by mogger on December 13, 2018, at 15:02:25
> Do you just take EPA I hope? DHA depresses me. No less than 4 grams EPA for me. What brand of algae do you use? Spirulina or Blue Green Algae?
No i take 1,4 DHA also. EPA 2 DHA 1 Ratio. I am not sure. it says that they mixed algae to get that particular ratio of EPA/DHA. I dont take the algae themselves, just the oil made from them.
Most algae oils have the ratio EPA 1 DHA 2. It took a long time to find the product i use which is EPA 2 DHA 1.
Posted by mogger on December 13, 2018, at 17:37:54
In reply to Re: Has anyone actually responded well to fish oil?, posted by Lamdage22 on December 13, 2018, at 17:04:19
Would you mind giving me the brand? I will try it out!
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 30, 2018, at 5:16:35
In reply to Re: Has anyone actually responded well to fish oil? » Lamdage22, posted by mogger on December 13, 2018, at 17:37:54
My Ativan consumption is way down since i take the algae oil! Fish oil made me worse. The algae oil has the 2EPA/1DHA ratio. @mogger: The company does not respond to my requests. Sorry.
Posted by mogger on January 8, 2019, at 16:32:34
In reply to I think DHA/EPA is helping anxiety, posted by Lamdage22 on December 30, 2018, at 5:16:35
Thank you for trying! Does it help with anxiety?
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 27, 2019, at 23:23:53
In reply to Re: I think DHA/EPA is helping anxiety » Lamdage22, posted by mogger on January 8, 2019, at 16:32:34
Im not sure but i will keep taking it as it is supposed to be very healthy and it certainly doesnt make me worse. I think the product i take isnt available in the US. Sorry.
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 23, 2019, at 11:18:20
In reply to Re: I think DHA/EPA is helping anxiety, posted by Lamdage22 on January 27, 2019, at 23:23:53
Scott i have read you can take up to 10g EPA/DHA. I am trying 5g right now.
Posted by Mogger on February 23, 2019, at 11:24:05
In reply to EPA/DHA Dosage!!, posted by Lamdage22 on February 23, 2019, at 11:18:20
I take 6 grams only epa and it helps tremendously
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 23, 2019, at 11:26:23
In reply to EPA/DHA Dosage!!, posted by Lamdage22 on February 23, 2019, at 11:18:20
Low doses are not efficient
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 23, 2019, at 11:38:10
In reply to Re: EPA/DHA Dosage!!, posted by Mogger on February 23, 2019, at 11:24:05
Sweet! At what dosage did you get the first effects?
> I take 6 grams only epa and it helps tremendously
Posted by Mogger on February 23, 2019, at 12:09:43
In reply to Re: EPA/DHA Dosage!!, posted by Lamdage22 on February 23, 2019, at 11:38:10
Within four days. Such a huge difference. Omegavia epa 500. Not a spokesman for it it is just what I use.
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 23, 2019, at 12:36:00
In reply to Re: EPA/DHA Dosage!! » Lamdage22, posted by Mogger on February 23, 2019, at 12:09:43
4 days on what dosage? Are you symptom free now?
Posted by Mogger on February 23, 2019, at 13:07:29
In reply to Re: EPA/DHA Dosage!!, posted by Lamdage22 on February 23, 2019, at 12:36:00
6 grams epa. Not symptom free but much much better.
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 24, 2019, at 2:50:46
In reply to Re: EPA/DHA Dosage!!, posted by Mogger on February 23, 2019, at 13:07:29
Hey Scott,
you may want to try a high dosage. How are you doing on Parnate? Do you need an AP along or do you get by without?
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