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Posted by MissThang on February 15, 2013, at 10:44:24
Hi everyone. Some of you may recognize my handle from numerous posts back in 2010/2011. At that time, I was just starting to come off psych meds for depression and didn't know which way was up.
I'm posting today because I realized that my depression has finally been healed. It's not something that occurred all of the sudden, but something that kind of sneaked up on me over the past year and I just realized today that it's been months and months...maybe a year or so since I felt depressed and wanted to share my story to encourage others. Keep in mind that I had struggled with depression for the better part of 15 years before I started taking psych meds regularly...I had tried a couple early on, but they didn't seem to help.
Let me preface this by saying that I am not here to judge anyone for the choices they're currently making. I believe we all do the best we can at the time with our current knowledge and circumstances, so while my path my be instructive to some, it's not the only path and I know that. I also want to be clear that I do not run around in a perpetual state of bliss, but I think most of you know that's not possible and are really just trying to feel "normal" (whatever that means to you) again. I feel good most of the time and I sometimes get sad or angry and have bad days. But I also am fully capable of feeling joy and belly laughing and feeling capable of accepting whatever comes my way that day, and that to me is a pretty good place to be!
So, without further ado, what did I do to heal myself? I decided to get healthy or die trying (mostly joking with that last part but those of you in a deep struggle with the dark beast known as depression will surely understand.)
Let's start with where I was in the spring of 2011: I had been on psych meds for years...tried a bunch and ended up doing well on 450mg of wellbutrin...for a while. After a couple of years it started to fizz out on me and the next several years my dr and I rotated a variety of additional drugs to augment the wellbutrin. Eventually the few of those that helped stopped working too and I broke down and tried several MAOI's, which was a very unpleasant experience for me.
After I had tried pretty much every drug my dr. had in his arsenal, he decided my only choice was ECT. I actually considered this for a while, but besides the fact that I had no insurance at this time, the idea of undergoing shock therapy just didn't set well with me. (Again, no judgements for those of you who have undergone or are considering this...maybe it's a good choice for you.)
What it boiled down to for me was this: I had mistreated my body and undergone so much stress for so long that it simply didn't have what it needed to function properly, and that included making/utilizing the appropriate amounts of neurotransmitters/hormones. I had been severely anhedonic for nearly 2 years at this point, not feeling a true moment of joy or peace in all this time. I now realize I was so short on the necessary neuros primarily because my diet/lifestyle were so poor.
When I first stumbled upon the idea of food allergies/intolerances, I immediately dismissed them because other than experiencing constipation fairly often, I wasn't experiencing any major digestive problems. As it turns out, I had (have?) leaky gut/dysbiosis, which just means the bacteria levels and proportions in my gut were way out of whack, causing/contributing to the constipation. Additionally, I came to understand that the majority of many neurotransmitters are actually created in the gut and when it's not functioning properly, it's not making the needed amounts of these.
So just for a trial (to prove to myself I didn't really have food intolerances/allergies)I stopped eating all the major allergens for a week to see what happened...and I did feel a little better. Not "good" by any means, but I was able to sleep a bit better (I had been on a combination of Ambien/herbs/supplements to sleep but had only been sleeping about 2-3 hours a night for months at that point). So this was interesting, but left me with lots of questions. Like "will I have to avoid eating all these foods forever?" because that didn't seem feasible.
As I pressed forward I also realized I had done a lot of damage to my body by being on hydro-cortisone for years to boost my underactive adrenal hormone levels. Again, this seemed to help at first, but eventually my adrenals became lazy because of the added cortisol and stopped making it. I saw a (pretty awful) naturopath around this time who told me to just stop taking the hydro-cortisone and take some supplements she gave me, which, in hindsight, was a really dumb idea because my body had become dependent on the added cortisol and when I abruptly stopped, I had extremely low levels in my body. I was so weak and tired for so many months after this...I actually ended up quitting smoking at this time because I was so exhausted (though unable to sleep) that one day I was just too weak to go to the store to buy more cigarettes when I ran out.
As the months passed, I proceeded to also have my mercury fillings removed and treat the candida overgrowth (back in the spring of 2010, I had severe candida overgrowth...my toenails all were infected with fungus, a sign of systemic candida issues). I tried the drugs and I tried the natural anti-fungals. Both helped some, but eventually I realized that candida, which it causes many symptoms by itself, is not actually the root of the problem...candida usually appears when there are excess toxins and/or dysbiosis in the system, so I needed to address these things before I'd be able to truly rid myself of the candida overgrowth.
I did some chelation for the stored mercury in my system; I took probiotics, I started doing yoga and meditating (I recommend some form of meditation that incorporates positive visualization like the Silva Method, though I'm not a fan of Laura Silva, who's currently running that company. Check out Burt Goldman or the book "The Genie Within"). I began taking some things to boost my thryoid because my daily temps were hovering around 97, a sure sign my metabolism was low. And slowly, I started feeling better.
In October 2011, I had the first moment of joy that I'd had in over 2 years. I was just driving to the store and a song I used to enjoy (remember, I hadn't really "enjoyed" anything, including music, in years) came on the radio. I started getting into it...started singing with it...and it dawned on me that I was happy at that moment! I started crying tears of joy because I knew then that I was capable of feeling joy again! I still experienced quite a few dark days after this, but at least I had placed my foot on the first rung of "feeling good" again and that was encouraging.
I also discovered shortly after this that I have an MTHF deformity (fairly common, apparently) which means I don't utilize B12 well and I don't methylate well, which impairs detoxification (may help explain why some people seem to "hold on" to excess toxins and others don't seem bothered by them). So I started taking a supplement specifically created for those with such deformities which includes several active forms of the B vitamins, and also taking Sam-E, which helps the body methylate and reduced inflammation.
Since then, I have continued down the path of (primarily) alternative healing. I have taken some prescriptions (not psych meds) over the past couple of years, but the primary approach has been figuring out what my body needs to help it heal itself because I now know that it can.
My responses to foods that are difficult for me to digest has decreased significantly...6-12 months ago, if I ate something like gluten-containing bread or dairy or especially soy, within hours I would be extremely irritable and would almost pick a fight with anyone unfortunate enough to come into contact with me. And then I would have a melt down and sob and sob. Now, even though I limit those foods, my reactions to them are much more subtle.
I've made so much progress in helping my body to heal itself and my digestive tract still has a little ways to go, but I've finally gotten to the point where I barely remember what it was like lying on my sofa all those months after the meds stopped working, too tired/angry/sad to do anything and too tense to sleep.
I hope no one takes issue with this post -- I was a bit afraid to write it because I remember how angry I would get (who, me? angry? haha!) when I was on here struggling to find information about a new drug or new approach to help pull me out of that pit and people would post those stupid alternative healing things that I knew were total crap:-) But I wanted to reach out to some of you who feel you have no options left and encourage you to try the "natural" approach, even if you continue with your psych meds for a while at the same time. This approach probably won't yield immediate recovery, but it may deliver permanent recovery if you give it a chance.
I wish you all well in your journeys -- I know your body has the ability to heal once you help remove the blocks to healing.
MissThang
Posted by Phil on February 15, 2013, at 10:44:25
In reply to My depression: Cured, posted by MissThang on February 14, 2013, at 12:54:39
Posted by MissThang on February 15, 2013, at 10:44:25
In reply to Should be on alternative board (nm), posted by Phil on February 14, 2013, at 13:49:19
Phil -- The reason I posted it on THIS board is because I too was a die-hard meds fan and eventually found another way. I'm actually trying to help people who may not think there's another alternative to drugs. The people on the alternative board seem to already have arrived at that conclusion. But thanks for the suggestion.
Posted by Phil on February 15, 2013, at 10:44:26
In reply to Re: Should be on alternative board, posted by MissThang on February 14, 2013, at 14:21:59
Everybody knows there alternatives to drugs. We're bombarded with it all the time. Those that actually use alternatives have a place to post them. I was asking that this post be moved where it belongs. If people are seeking alternatives they can go there. Simple really.
I'm glad you're well.
Posted by bleauberry on February 15, 2013, at 10:44:26
In reply to My depression: Cured, posted by MissThang on February 14, 2013, at 12:54:39
Well I can definitely relate to everything you said and I completely accept all of it. I talk about the same stuff with other people and they think I'm nuts! They think the brain is not attached to the rest of the body, and that something wrong in the body can impact the brain, and mood. Wouldn't it sound ridiculous to tell someone their depression was because of their stomach? Well, with food sensitivities, that's exactly the way it is. Keep the bad foods out of that stomach, and the depression will improve. People don't realize how potent and harmful the toxins are to our nervous system, the toxic byproducts of things like sensitivity reactions, immune system, infections, metals, plastics, etc.
Glad you have made progress!
I think we as a species got it wrong....the stuff we view as alternative treatmets, should actually be first line. The stuff we call first line treatments, should actually be alternative. Fix the body and all suspect problems in it first, and a lot of stuff improves.I think the problem is though, in Western medicine, we are so deeply entrenched in a scientific political economic legal way of looking at things, that a whole bunch of stuff gets excluded. Such as heavy metal chelation, stealth infections, food sensitivities, and such. People tend to think someone like you....got better doing some weird alternative stuff....and someone like me....getting better on anti-lyme strategies...well, we are an exception, we are not the majority. I disagree. I believe a very high percentage of psych patients have one or more of those types of physical biological problems at the heart of their psych symptoms.
Posted by MissThang on February 15, 2013, at 10:44:27
In reply to Re: My depression: Cured, posted by bleauberry on February 14, 2013, at 15:17:53
I know of one woman I've personally talked with who was diagnosed as schizophrenic and hospitalized several times for it. Someone convinced her she was likely intolerant to gluten, and when she got off of it, her symptoms slowly disappeared over the course of about a month. At Thanksgiving, she accidentally ingested some gluten-containing substance and she had an awful episode...a few days later, after eating no more gluten, she was fine.
I think once we fix our digestive systems enough, we can eventually have some of these things without having issues...I'm almost there now, but my tests showed I wasn't actually intolerant to gluten...I just used to react to anything that was hard to digest.
I remember you from earlier, Blueberry and I remember thinking you were nuts, haha. I was hoping to help someone see there is an actual CURE for this, not just an endless merry-go-round of drugs to suppress symptoms.
Posted by TiredofChemicals on February 15, 2013, at 10:44:27
In reply to My depression: Cured, posted by MissThang on February 14, 2013, at 12:54:39
That is very inspirational and encouraging. Your story is very similar to mine but I haven't received remission. I'm glad this post is here as I only go to this forum.
I appreciate to see good news. Meds didn't work for me either, in fact, I believe I suffered needlessly by taking chemicals to treat my diagnosed "condition".
I wish not to discourage others either, of escaping whatever agony they may be experiencing by whatever means they seem fit.
Posted by MissThang on February 15, 2013, at 10:44:28
In reply to Re: My depression: Cured, posted by TiredofChemicals on February 14, 2013, at 16:20:33
I'm glad you found it inspiring, Tired. I used to find it so depressing to log on here day after day and see only people who continually struggled with these issues and to never see someone who beat this thing.
When I would read about people who did the alternative things and got better, I figured they were somehow different from me or more puritanical and were willing to give up enjoying food and having drinks sometimes and all that kind of thing. That's not the case at all.
I'm a meat eating former smoker and even drug abuser and before I stopped taking them, I was on 6 meds at once (half of them to counteract the side effects of the other meds). I thought people into alternative healing were just plain weird, frankly and I'm never going to be anything close to a vegan or give up chocolate or stop shaving my legs or whatever stereotypical image it is that some may have in their head when it comes to alternative health. Jessica Alba is big time into alternative remedies and she looks pretty normal (and quite beautiful) to me.
The general eating plan I (mostly) follow is the one laid out in The Perfect Health Diet because it's pretty flexible and doesn't expect you to give up whole food groups or anything. But even so, if I go to a ballgame, I eat the junk they serve there and as long as I don't do it all the time, I think that's fine.
I guess the other misconception I had about people pursuing alternative remedies is that they still felt pretty crappy but were just morally opposed to taking drugs and figured it was worth the trade off. Not me. I'll be the first to tell you that if I hadn't started feeling better when I did (and continued to improve) I would have been happy to take just about any drug that came down the pike to avoid having to feel so awful...but I couldn't find one, which turned out to be a great blessing...it just didn't seem to be one at the time.
Anyway -- I wish everyone luck and would be happy to help if I can.
Posted by schleprock on February 15, 2013, at 10:44:30
In reply to Re: My depression: Cured, posted by MissThang on February 14, 2013, at 17:45:14
> I'm glad you found it inspiring, Tired. I used to find it so depressing to log on here day after day and see only people who continually struggled with these issues and to never see someone who beat this thing.
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> When I would read about people who did the alternative things and got better, I figured they were somehow different from me or more puritanical and were willing to give up enjoying food and having drinks sometimes and all that kind of thing. That's not the case at all.
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> I'm a meat eating former smoker and even drug abuser and before I stopped taking them, I was on 6 meds at once (half of them to counteract the side effects of the other meds). I thought people into alternative healing were just plain weird, frankly and I'm never going to be anything close to a vegan or give up chocolate or stop shaving my legs or whatever stereotypical image it is that some may have in their head when it comes to alternative health. Jessica Alba is big time into alternative remedies and she looks pretty normal (and quite beautiful) to me.
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> The general eating plan I (mostly) follow is the one laid out in The Perfect Health Diet because it's pretty flexible and doesn't expect you to give up whole food groups or anything. But even so, if I go to a ballgame, I eat the junk they serve there and as long as I don't do it all the time, I think that's fine.
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> I guess the other misconception I had about people pursuing alternative remedies is that they still felt pretty crappy but were just morally opposed to taking drugs and figured it was worth the trade off. Not me. I'll be the first to tell you that if I hadn't started feeling better when I did (and continued to improve) I would have been happy to take just about any drug that came down the pike to avoid having to feel so awful...but I couldn't find one, which turned out to be a great blessing...it just didn't seem to be one at the time.
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> Anyway -- I wish everyone luck and would be happy to help if I can.Did you happen to meet a rider on a white horse?
Posted by rjlockhart37 on February 15, 2013, at 10:44:31
In reply to My depression: Cured, posted by MissThang on February 14, 2013, at 12:54:39
just got done reading....yes, im glad you came over those slumps of helplessness and found happiness....im still on the road to find that....right now im my life its vary gloomy...having to act happy....but yea...i've taken many supplements most in paticular L-tyrosine....which produces dopamine. It wakes and peps people up...
im not really big into food allergies, nothing against anyone but i think its a rare thing...not a thing that effects regular people all the time. I've heard all these wivestale stories of people saying they where cured of ADD from stop eating foods....it may be the case...but i think its overhealth obession that creates an illusion that it works.
im big into visual meditation....when i go jogging or walk around the house listening to my favorite songs of rearching the top of my career...its great..creating success as a seed. And eventually overcoming current problems that seem helpless to fix. Gettin out of the doom gloom thinking of the present time.
There is something called Christain Science....they believe vary much that people can heal themselves through belief...but also in my view you can just believe vary hard and the body will believe the sublingual message...and also belief in Jesus Christ...
thanks for your success story....always welcome to share it here....
r
Posted by MissThang on February 15, 2013, at 10:44:31
In reply to Re: My depression: Cured » MissThang, posted by rjlockhart37 on February 14, 2013, at 19:13:53
rjlockhart37 -- There's a difference between a true food "allergy" and an "intolerance". I used both terms because many people use them interchangeably, but they're quite different. Food "allergies" create the typical symptoms one thinks of, ranging from a tightening throat to a rash to anaphylactic shock. Intolerances, on the other hand, are usually created when one has a damaged digestive tract and may or may not cause immediate symptoms...mine have been more delayed (usually a few hours afterwards).
I didn't believe in them at all until I tried that trial and it turned me into a believer. Nevertheless, I didn't want to have to avoid all the foods causing a reaction forever, so I kept researching to figure out what the deal was. I mean, I ate these foods just fine as a kid so why did they cause problems now? It was digestive issues even though, like I said, I didn't think I really had any. But those can be healed and I'm so thankful because I love my ice cream!
It might be worth a trial of avoiding the common allergens for a couple of weeks just to see if that helps. What's the worst that could happen?
Posted by rjlockhart37 on February 15, 2013, at 10:44:32
In reply to Re: My depression: Cured, posted by MissThang on February 14, 2013, at 19:31:41
i didnt mean it extremly like that...yes, like carrots for me...they give me a mental boost...when i have them. The past 8 weeks i've been on and off liquid diets...pure shakes 4 times daily, filled with vitimens and aminoacids...its loaded...but the first 2 weeks i starved myself from food on liquid. I've lost 18lbs...and it will go down too still on the road to get skinny.
there was an episode on discovery called "taboo" and this one episode was on food obsession, this guy ate pizza day and night....it made him so sick, he developed unstable blood sugars, throwing up, all kinds of healh problems. I'm just trying to relate that because kids like sweet foods, and even me...comfort food...but filled with greese and saturated fat...its difficult to comprehend how bad it is.
yea...there's nothing wrong with it...lol i've been on a diet 8 weeks....liquid most of it...i cheated a couple times....but im losing weight fast...but i love to eat carrots for snacks...for the energy boosting effect it has.
I wasnt critizing your post at all...
r
Posted by Phillipa on February 15, 2013, at 10:44:37
In reply to Re: My depression: Cured, posted by MissThang on February 14, 2013, at 19:31:41
As one ages and continues to eat the same foods without any rotation at all one call develop an allergy to said food. Happens with many things. As meds can cause tolerence, also as time goes by higher doses of supplements can be needed also.
Posted by ihatedrugs on February 15, 2013, at 10:44:38
In reply to My depression: Cured, posted by MissThang on February 14, 2013, at 12:54:39
Miss Thang,
Thank you so much for posting your story. I have always suspected my depression was triggered by my obsession with being skinny in the early 80s. I realized my diet was somehow a culprit as I remember feeling amazing when I was pregnant. I took such good care of myself. Didn't drink coffee, alcohol and no junk.
Also, my daughter who just graduated from college began to break out at age 21, before that she had perfect skin. I thought it was due to stress. When she came home she was so distraught about it and tried everything, creams, soaps, astringents of all brands to no avail. She wanted to make an appt with a dermatologist but I was a little apprehensive because of all the horror stories about acne meds. As her skin got worse, she decided she was going to make a dr. appointment and take anything to clear her face.
I then remembered that when she was 6 months, she developed a rash in her groin area. She was treated with countless antifungal, antibiotics, steroids clearing the rash for a couple of days only to show up again. The pediatrician was out of ideas and referred her to a dermatologist. I remember being so relieved because he was going to finally diagnose the problem. He looked at her and told me he had no idea what was wrong. I left the office crying and distressed. This went on for 3 months. I changed diaper brands, used cloth diapers and even would leave her without a diaper all day. I stopped all her foods and began introducing one by one. Still nothing. One day I was crying and talking to my friend. We went over everything I had done. She then asked me if it could be the formula. I told her no because she had been taking it for 6 months with no problems. She insisted and suggested to change to a soy-based formula. I changed it knowing that wasn't the culprit. Three days later, low and behold, the rash disappeared and never came back. Once she was off formula she began drinking regular milk without any problems. When I told this to my daughter, I suggested to stop dairy for a week. She laughed and thought I was being naive and insisted on making an appointment with the Dermatologist. The earliest appt available was in 10 days. I told her to stop dairy for that time just to rule it out since there had been a precedent as a baby. She begrudgingly agreed and even said "If you are right about this I will never argue with you again". Seven days passed and her face had completely cleared. I couldn't believe it. To this day, 7 months later, she has had no problems. She cut all dairy and began drinking soy milk. However, didn't keep the promise of never arguing with me.
This is why I believe your story. I just don't know how to go about it for myself. Funny how it's instinctive when it comes to my child.
So my question is did you stop your meds and began to test for allergies or as you began to feel better you began to wean off. Also, how did you go about it. I saw you recommended a book in one of your responses. Does it teach you how to go about testing for food allergies?
I really want to give this a try. After all, it won't kill me. I'm just concerned about stopping my meds. Not that they are that effective, but at least keep me afloat. I just haven't felt real happiness, like the one you described with the music in so long. I don't want to resign my life to this grayness when I know there is so much color out there.
Thanks again for posting and wish you a lifetime of music.ihatedrugs
Posted by MissThang on February 15, 2013, at 10:44:41
In reply to Re: My depression: Cured » MissThang, posted by ihatedrugs on February 15, 2013, at 4:26:05
IHateDrugs -- I was already off the drugs before I discovered the whole food intolerance issue. But I was off them primarily because they had stopped working and by the time I quit, I couldn't really tell any difference. I wasn't on an SSRI, though, and I know those and drugs like Effexor give you withdrawels. My primary drug was Wellbutrin (well, wellbutrin, abilify, provigil, xanax, ambien and hydro-cortisone for the cortisol issue). If I had been taking something that helped, I probably would have stayed on it while I started working on the food issue.
Testing for food intolerances is tricky, because if they're due to leaky gut (which is the most common cause) they can change over time so while you may have tested fine for, say, cashews when you took the test, a month later they're causing issues for you. But if your insurance covers them, they might be a good starting point.
I would highly recommend reading the book called GAPS: Gut and Psychology Syndrome, by Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride. Her approach has helped many people heal their leaky guts and, more importantly, get rid of the symptoms caused by those food intolerances. There's a very active yahoo group surrounding this book.
The thing I've learned that has been both frustrating and empowering is that my body is unique to me, so I don't follow any one expert's advice 100%. For example, the GAPS approach is to omit all grains initially and include veggies and fruit...not a bad approach and works for many. However, when my digestive tract was really torn up, fruits were really hard on me and plain rice was much easier to digest. But the basis of her work is still very solid and she goes into great depth explaining how/why the various symptoms occur as a result of impaired digestive abilities.
And please keep this in mind: if you decide to follow her approach, it is a long term plan, but it is only temporary, meaning the ultimate goal of the plan is to enable you to eat pretty much everything without problem...but it will likely take a year or two to get there. They also have a Facebook group and there are lots of encouraging stories posted there.
One last thing -- about the time my depression first reared its ugly head was also when my skin became red. Doctors told me I had rosacea, but I was actually just very inflamed from food reactions. The relationship between digestive health and skin health has been studied and clearly exists, so it doesn't surprise me that when you removed the primary allergen your daughter was ingesting that her skin cleared up. Imagine how many people you know that have put everything in the world on their skin trying to get it to clear up when they could have just removed an offending food to do so. But, of course, doctors assure us that what we eat has no bearing on skin health...yah, right.
Good luck!
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 15, 2013, at 10:56:54
In reply to Re: My depression: Cured, posted by MissThang on February 15, 2013, at 10:44:41
> I would highly recommend reading the book called GAPS: Gut and Psychology Syndrome, by Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride. Her approach has helped many people heal their leaky guts and, more importantly, get rid of the symptoms caused by those food intolerances.
I'd just like to plug the double double quotes feature at this site:
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The first time anyone refers to a book, a movie, or music without using this option, I post this to try to make sure he or she at least knows about it. Thanks for letting us know about other resources,
Bob
Posted by SLS on February 15, 2013, at 12:57:38
In reply to My depression: Cured, posted by MissThang on February 15, 2013, at 10:44:24
Depression is a word used to describe many different things.
I am happy that you found a path to health. I am sure that there are other people for whom a similar path can be found.
For me, the illness for which I ascribe the word depression does not seem to be treatable by means of diet and exercise. I am not happy that this is the case.
- Scott
Posted by ihatedrugs on February 15, 2013, at 20:28:32
In reply to Re: My depression: Cured, posted by MissThang on February 15, 2013, at 10:44:41
Posted by Phillipa on February 15, 2013, at 21:17:56
In reply to Re: My depression: Cured » MissThang, posted by SLS on February 15, 2013, at 12:57:38
I think I never would have gotten thyroid which starte my problem if had stayed on Shaklee supplements. I totally trusted them. Phillipa
Posted by sigismund on February 16, 2013, at 1:55:00
In reply to Re: My depression: Cured, posted by Phillipa on February 15, 2013, at 21:17:56
If I had known how to, I could have seen that multiple intolerances were leading to a state of chronic inflammation. My integrative doctor noticed it immediately in my complexion. After learning some stuff and stopping or reducing at least some of the triggers I could notice my reactions more easily. The triggers were.....more or less any pharmaceutical (some much worse than others), alcohol, sulphites,dairy (especially cream), perhaps any other foods than good proteins, fats, vegetables and fruits.
It's all connected....down the track there is chronic illness, the whole kit and caboodle.
Posted by Phillipa on February 16, 2013, at 20:36:05
In reply to Re: My depression: Cured, posted by sigismund on February 16, 2013, at 1:55:00
Sigi so you don't take any meds and eat a perfect diet, no nothing? PJ
Posted by bleauberry on March 7, 2013, at 15:10:14
In reply to My depression: Cured, posted by MissThang on February 15, 2013, at 10:44:24
I wish this was posted on the medication board. Those folks need to know stuff like this.My story is similar. Still working at it, but for sure, other stuff beside psych drugs get credit for improvement, psych drugs should have been only emergency bandaids at times, not intended for cure or remission.
Posted by sigismund on March 9, 2013, at 22:47:36
In reply to Re: My depression: Cured, posted by bleauberry on March 7, 2013, at 15:10:14
It was posted on the med board but was moved here.
I have just watched this film at a film festival here. It is about American herbs and (for want of a better way of putting it) natural living. Paul Strauss is seriously smart. I was very impressed. In Ohio, I think.
Posted by g_g_g_unit on June 4, 2013, at 1:14:56
In reply to Re: My depression: Cured » MissThang, posted by SLS on February 15, 2013, at 12:57:38
were any of you who turned to alternative strategies and found success exceedingly sensitive to meds beforehand? and if so, did that sensitivity alter (i.e. worsen) over time?
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