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Posted by janetlee on December 2, 2006, at 17:59:24
I got a book by Billie Jay Sahley called "The Anxiety Epidemic". She developed a product named the above. It consists of:
Magnesium (as oxide)-100mg
B6-10mg
GABA-400mg
Glycine-100mg
Glutamine-140mg
Passionflower-150mg
Primula Officinalis (Herb Powder)-150mgI notice in the book that she never mentions anything about it being hard for GABA to cross the blood-brain barrier (did I say that right?) Anyhow, it's supposed to "contains the major inhibitory neurotransmitters in the brain. Neurotransmitters are the chemical language of the brain. B6, included in this formula, is the major cofactor for activation of amino acids in the body. The herbs, Passion Flower and Primula Officinalis support an overstressed body."
Would love some of you science majors to give me your feedback...in layman terms of course! :)
janet
Posted by willyee on December 2, 2006, at 22:44:28
In reply to Anyone Tried Anxiety Control 24?, posted by janetlee on December 2, 2006, at 17:59:24
> I got a book by Billie Jay Sahley called "The Anxiety Epidemic". She developed a product named the above. It consists of:
> Magnesium (as oxide)-100mg
> B6-10mg
> GABA-400mg
> Glycine-100mg
> Glutamine-140mg
> Passionflower-150mg
> Primula Officinalis (Herb Powder)-150mg
>
> I notice in the book that she never mentions anything about it being hard for GABA to cross the blood-brain barrier (did I say that right?) Anyhow, it's supposed to "contains the major inhibitory neurotransmitters in the brain. Neurotransmitters are the chemical language of the brain. B6, included in this formula, is the major cofactor for activation of amino acids in the body. The herbs, Passion Flower and Primula Officinalis support an overstressed body."
> Would love some of you science majors to give me your feedback...in layman terms of course! :)
> janet
>I hate to be a nego,but honestly most of those mixed concotions are done so just to slap a name brand on it.
Usualy they just add miniscure amounts of spoke of nutrients/hers/etc so they can add claim.
Your totaly right about gaba,first gaba in supplements hardly if any enters the brain,second simply adding gaba isnt gonna help a whole lot,if so,there are a few meds,and otc stuff that does and they would be magic products.
Getting gaba in well you have in meds i know of one that simply increases it which is GABITRIL,and this med is hardly ever ever used for mental or emtoional conditions.For otc,you do have many ways of increasing gaba,L THEANINE is said to increase both gaba and dopamine among doing tons of other stuff,including affecting actualy alpha -beta waves.
Second you have PICAMILION which is a well known product of gaba attatched to niacin,this product is said to cross the gaba into the brain.Phenibutt is a pretty popular product,not sure of its exact effect,but its very very popular and has a strong effect.Id google that product first.
Then you have some common but not so popular ones,valerian root,and kava kava also increase gaba.
Finaly and actualy one of the best is TAURINE,it is a amino acid,has a calming effect,a stablizing effect on over firing in the brain,and is involved in overall production of gaba.
Of the product u mentioned,personaly id instead go with,
Taurine from country life which includes a small amount of b6,so u have two covered there,and country life as i stated is a extremly popular brand,u can look it up.
Second id choose between picamilion,and phenibutt,and see if either sound interesting to you,many people find combing this with l theanine is a good combo as well.
Magnesium is kinda 50.50,im personaly not a fan but people do find it helpful.
Last i wouldent use glycine,this is a amino acid that works in both a inhbitory,and excitaory manor,and overall can be quite depressing.
All of the above is simply my opinion,ive looked into natural herbs nutrients a long time and still do,and the worst thing was always the combos,they always seemed to just be a name hype but whe u look at what u are getting it looses its glamour,i prefer to see out specific products.
Great companies i can recomend are,solaray,solgar,country life.
Posted by Declan on December 2, 2006, at 23:50:33
In reply to Anyone Tried Anxiety Control 24?, posted by janetlee on December 2, 2006, at 17:59:24
Magnesium oxide is not readily absorbed.
Glutamine is a bit iffy, meaning that it can be overstimulating.
Allergic types (me) react to passionflower.
What's primula?
Posted by blueberry on December 3, 2006, at 9:00:27
In reply to Anyone Tried Anxiety Control 24?, posted by janetlee on December 2, 2006, at 17:59:24
I've tried all of the ingredients individually in this stuff and wasn't impressed, mainly because any calming they might have had (not much) also worsened depression. If you are prone to depression, these might not be good choices.
L-theanine mentioned in another post is supposed to be good. Odd though, when I tried it I got stimulated instead of relaxed. But it was only a one day trial and I don't think I took a high enough dose.
I got a little bit of calming from taurine, though I only took very low doses. Taurine was unique in that it just seemed somehow to make anything else work better. After a few days I was getting more depressed. It could have been a number of other things though. I wasn't sure.
The fastest calming agent I tried was called GabaCalm. It is a sublingual form of gaba that absords under your tongue. Somehow it did seem to work fast. But again, the depression these things cause me...geez.
St Johns Wort causes nervousness in a small minority of people, especially in the beginning. But it usually has good anti-anxiety action. The best brand for that is Remotiv, available only by mailorder from a place called EZiChem in Australia. It has been clincally tested and proven, unlike 99% of the products on the shelf. It is one of the top 2 brands used in scientific studies, but has more anti-anxiety to it that other brands.
Posted by janetlee on December 3, 2006, at 22:02:38
In reply to Re: Anyone Tried Anxiety Control 24?, posted by willyee on December 2, 2006, at 22:44:28
> > I got a book by Billie Jay Sahley called "The Anxiety Epidemic". She developed a product named the above. It consists of:
> > Magnesium (as oxide)-100mg
> > B6-10mg
> > GABA-400mg
> > Glycine-100mg
> > Glutamine-140mg
> > Passionflower-150mg
> > Primula Officinalis (Herb Powder)-150mg
> >
> > I notice in the book that she never mentions anything about it being hard for GABA to cross the blood-brain barrier (did I say that right?) Anyhow, it's supposed to "contains the major inhibitory neurotransmitters in the brain. Neurotransmitters are the chemical language of the brain. B6, included in this formula, is the major cofactor for activation of amino acids in the body. The herbs, Passion Flower and Primula Officinalis support an overstressed body."
> > Would love some of you science majors to give me your feedback...in layman terms of course! :)
> > janet
> >
>
> I hate to be a nego,but honestly most of those mixed concotions are done so just to slap a name brand on it.
>
> Usualy they just add miniscure amounts of spoke of nutrients/hers/etc so they can add claim.
>
> Your totaly right about gaba,first gaba in supplements hardly if any enters the brain,second simply adding gaba isnt gonna help a whole lot,if so,there are a few meds,and otc stuff that does and they would be magic products.
>
>
> Getting gaba in well you have in meds i know of one that simply increases it which is GABITRIL,and this med is hardly ever ever used for mental or emtoional conditions.
>
> For otc,you do have many ways of increasing gaba,L THEANINE is said to increase both gaba and dopamine among doing tons of other stuff,including affecting actualy alpha -beta waves.
>
>
> Second you have PICAMILION which is a well known product of gaba attatched to niacin,this product is said to cross the gaba into the brain.
>
> Phenibutt is a pretty popular product,not sure of its exact effect,but its very very popular and has a strong effect.Id google that product first.
>
> Then you have some common but not so popular ones,valerian root,and kava kava also increase gaba.
>
> Finaly and actualy one of the best is TAURINE,it is a amino acid,has a calming effect,a stablizing effect on over firing in the brain,and is involved in overall production of gaba.
>
>
>
> Of the product u mentioned,personaly id instead go with,
>
>
> Taurine from country life which includes a small amount of b6,so u have two covered there,and country life as i stated is a extremly popular brand,u can look it up.
>
>
> Second id choose between picamilion,and phenibutt,and see if either sound interesting to you,many people find combing this with l theanine is a good combo as well.
>
>
> Magnesium is kinda 50.50,im personaly not a fan but people do find it helpful.
>
>
> Last i wouldent use glycine,this is a amino acid that works in both a inhbitory,and excitaory manor,and overall can be quite depressing.
>
>
> All of the above is simply my opinion,ive looked into natural herbs nutrients a long time and still do,and the worst thing was always the combos,they always seemed to just be a name hype but whe u look at what u are getting it looses its glamour,i prefer to see out specific products.
>
>
> Great companies i can recomend are,solaray,solgar,country life.I've never tried picamilon or phenibutt. I am taking magnesium chelated with amino acids. I've taken niacinamide and l-theanine, but can't say that I could tell any real difference. I have taurine in 500mg capsules, but have yet to take any...I'm uncertain as to how much is okay! I have kava-kava, but seldom use it. Any advice on how much taurine to try?
janet
Posted by willyee on December 4, 2006, at 3:46:41
In reply to Re: Anyone Tried Anxiety Control 24?, posted by janetlee on December 3, 2006, at 22:02:38
> > > I got a book by Billie Jay Sahley called "The Anxiety Epidemic". She developed a product named the above. It consists of:
> > > Magnesium (as oxide)-100mg
> > > B6-10mg
> > > GABA-400mg
> > > Glycine-100mg
> > > Glutamine-140mg
> > > Passionflower-150mg
> > > Primula Officinalis (Herb Powder)-150mg
> > >
> > > I notice in the book that she never mentions anything about it being hard for GABA to cross the blood-brain barrier (did I say that right?) Anyhow, it's supposed to "contains the major inhibitory neurotransmitters in the brain. Neurotransmitters are the chemical language of the brain. B6, included in this formula, is the major cofactor for activation of amino acids in the body. The herbs, Passion Flower and Primula Officinalis support an overstressed body."
> > > Would love some of you science majors to give me your feedback...in layman terms of course! :)
> > > janet
> > >
> >
> > I hate to be a nego,but honestly most of those mixed concotions are done so just to slap a name brand on it.
> >
> > Usualy they just add miniscure amounts of spoke of nutrients/hers/etc so they can add claim.
> >
> > Your totaly right about gaba,first gaba in supplements hardly if any enters the brain,second simply adding gaba isnt gonna help a whole lot,if so,there are a few meds,and otc stuff that does and they would be magic products.
> >
> >
> > Getting gaba in well you have in meds i know of one that simply increases it which is GABITRIL,and this med is hardly ever ever used for mental or emtoional conditions.
> >
> > For otc,you do have many ways of increasing gaba,L THEANINE is said to increase both gaba and dopamine among doing tons of other stuff,including affecting actualy alpha -beta waves.
> >
> >
> > Second you have PICAMILION which is a well known product of gaba attatched to niacin,this product is said to cross the gaba into the brain.
> >
> > Phenibutt is a pretty popular product,not sure of its exact effect,but its very very popular and has a strong effect.Id google that product first.
> >
> > Then you have some common but not so popular ones,valerian root,and kava kava also increase gaba.
> >
> > Finaly and actualy one of the best is TAURINE,it is a amino acid,has a calming effect,a stablizing effect on over firing in the brain,and is involved in overall production of gaba.
> >
> >
> >
> > Of the product u mentioned,personaly id instead go with,
> >
> >
> > Taurine from country life which includes a small amount of b6,so u have two covered there,and country life as i stated is a extremly popular brand,u can look it up.
> >
> >
> > Second id choose between picamilion,and phenibutt,and see if either sound interesting to you,many people find combing this with l theanine is a good combo as well.
> >
> >
> > Magnesium is kinda 50.50,im personaly not a fan but people do find it helpful.
> >
> >
> > Last i wouldent use glycine,this is a amino acid that works in both a inhbitory,and excitaory manor,and overall can be quite depressing.
> >
> >
> > All of the above is simply my opinion,ive looked into natural herbs nutrients a long time and still do,and the worst thing was always the combos,they always seemed to just be a name hype but whe u look at what u are getting it looses its glamour,i prefer to see out specific products.
> >
> >
> > Great companies i can recomend are,solaray,solgar,country life.
>
> I've never tried picamilon or phenibutt. I am taking magnesium chelated with amino acids. I've taken niacinamide and l-theanine, but can't say that I could tell any real difference. I have taurine in 500mg capsules, but have yet to take any...I'm uncertain as to how much is okay! I have kava-kava, but seldom use it. Any advice on how much taurine to try?
> janetBelieve it or not,unless its the brand i mentioned,taurine doesent help,no im not a advocate for it either lol,but its country life HARD TABS with b6.
Putting that aside,taurine dose can range between 500 mg to 1500 mg,if this is commonly 500 a tab/cap then from 1-3.Either way taurine is pretty safe,mild as well,just take it with some juice and take it as far away from any protein as u can.
Perhaps start with a gram and see.Usualy you should not have to exceed 3 grams a dose,if you do then more than likly its not for you.However even a dose that high is commonly safe.
Id invest sometime into researching both picamilion,and phenibut as they are potent over the counter supplements,where as most otc products are not.
Also dont under estimate kava kava,it can make you feel like crap if you are not using it right,google the site VAULT OF EROWID for info on the three i mentioned.
Again good sites to do some reading are:
Google groups.....smart drugs
Remedyfind
Vault of Erowid
Posted by FredPotter on December 5, 2006, at 14:28:27
In reply to Re: Anyone Tried Anxiety Control 24?, posted by willyee on December 4, 2006, at 3:46:41
I drink kava in large amounts and its effects are minimal. After a few weeks I have to give up for a bit as the skin dries out and eyes get sore. So why do I do it? It's an alcohol substitute I suppose and has become a habit, one that can be easily broken though
Fred
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