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Posted by Jeroen on July 5, 2005, at 21:08:00
In reply to Re: need some advice urgent, posted by Phillipa on July 3, 2005, at 19:24:38
hi im in therapy, the lecithin dont give me any improvement, id like to take manganese and see what it does with my TD, can you help me please with the manganese?
tomorrow im getting 200 mg of seroquel then next week 300 mg
One doctor has found that administering the trace mineral manganese (15 mg per day) can prevent the development of TD and that higher amounts (up to 60 mg per day) can reverse TD that has already developed.
Posted by Jeroen on July 5, 2005, at 21:08:00
In reply to manganese - reverse TD, posted by Jeroen on July 5, 2005, at 6:57:21
i found a site to buy it fromis it this?
i am still hoping seroquel will mask my TD
if not im going on clozaril
im staying in the hospital until i get result, im in bad shape
Posted by ed_uk on July 5, 2005, at 21:08:00
In reply to manganese - reverse TD, posted by Jeroen on July 5, 2005, at 6:57:21
Hi Link,
I don't know much about manganese - I thought you'd know more about it. If it was used to treat TD, what dose would be suitable?
~Ed
Posted by Phillipa on July 5, 2005, at 21:08:00
In reply to Linkadge?, posted by ed_uk on July 5, 2005, at 16:45:03
Jeroen, You're home! Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on July 5, 2005, at 21:57:14
In reply to manganese - reverse TD, posted by Jeroen on July 5, 2005, at 6:57:21
Hi Jeroen, Larry's been blocked. Hope someone else answers this post. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by linkadge on July 6, 2005, at 6:31:39
In reply to Re: manganese - reverse TD, posted by Phillipa on July 5, 2005, at 21:57:14
Not sure. I have not read this. Its fairly inexpensive isn't it. It probably won't hurt.
Take a good look at quercetin, if you can find any. I had many movement problems when comming off SSRI's. Many have improved since starting the quercetin.
Linkadge
Posted by Jeroen on July 8, 2005, at 15:22:24
In reply to manganese - reverse TD, posted by Jeroen on July 5, 2005, at 6:57:21
i purchased manganese 50 mg
each pill contains 50 mg of manganese or am i wrong? might reverse my TD who knows...
Posted by linkadge on July 8, 2005, at 21:39:10
In reply to TO ED UK URGENT!!!, posted by Jeroen on July 8, 2005, at 15:22:24
Worth a shot.
Linkadge
Posted by Jeroen on July 9, 2005, at 4:11:44
In reply to Re: TO ED UK URGENT!!!, posted by linkadge on July 8, 2005, at 21:39:10
thanks linkadge
Posted by med_empowered on July 9, 2005, at 14:14:15
In reply to thanks, posted by Jeroen on July 9, 2005, at 4:11:44
managenese is certainly worth trying; its cheap and harmless. The most interest seems to be focused on the antioxidants, since some docs think TD results from an oxidative stress induced by antipsychotics. The studies on Vitamin E are kind iffy; some point to helpful effects, some dont, and there are all kinds of problems with the studies themselves. Anyway, Vitamin E @ 1600 IU daily seems to be the *it* dose for TD. Lecithin may also help, as might a number of other antioxidants...alpha lipoic acid, coenzyme Q-10, that kinda thing. The B vitamins might also help. As for medication...Klonopin seems pretty popular, but it isnt that effective. "masking" TD with neuroleptics is a popular strategy, especially now that atypical antipsychotics can be used that are less likely to worsen the TD than older drugs. Personally, I'd try Abilify if you're going the neuroleptic route. Its non-sedating and seems to control TD pretty well. Clozaril controls TD, but its pretty hardcore, and often requires the administration of anti-seizure drugs such as Depakote that worsen sedation and other problems.
Posted by Jeroen on July 9, 2005, at 14:23:38
In reply to lotsa stuff could help TD..., posted by med_empowered on July 9, 2005, at 14:14:15
i have eye blinking tic, i am on seroquel
what dosage do you suggest for repressing the TD? im on 200 mg
Posted by med_empowered on July 9, 2005, at 21:02:42
In reply to cant do abilify, posted by Jeroen on July 9, 2005, at 14:23:38
hey! The dosage used for suppressing TD varies from person to person. If you currently have a psychotic disorder, or a severe mood disorder (like bipolar I) that responds to a neuroleptic, the best course of action may be to first treat your disorder, and then see if your TD responds. If, for instance, you have mood-control at 300mgs, that should be the dose you use to see if it also controls your TD. If it doesn't, you could try slightly upping the dose (avoid going up too much; this can become a sort of "chemical straijacket"), adding traditional TD meds like Klonopin, or using a different neuroleptic.
Posted by Jeroen on July 10, 2005, at 3:57:07
In reply to Re: cant do abilify, posted by med_empowered on July 9, 2005, at 21:02:42
is this safe to take?
is it safe to tak 50 mg or am i mistaken?
it sais Amount Per Serving % DV
Manganese (as manganese amino acid chelate) 50 mg 2500%
Posted by Jeroen on July 10, 2005, at 8:34:20
In reply to Re: TO ED UK ABOUT SEROQUEL » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on July 9, 2005, at 12:30:00
im ordered the alternative product 50 mg
who knows it might reverse as that doctor discovered
Posted by Jeroen on August 22, 2005, at 22:06:50
In reply to Re: SEROXAT » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on August 19, 2005, at 9:24:51
i just got MANGANESE 50mg in the mail. it sais take 1 tablet a day with food
i ordered it from koshervitamins.com, do you think its poison? i dont think they sell that and put on the box take 1 tablet a day
MAYBE THIS WILL REVERSE MY TD... WHO KNOWS???
please i need a serious reply on this one thanks
i will take it for 3 weeks
Posted by ed_uk on August 22, 2005, at 22:06:50
In reply to MANGANESE EDUK I NEED YOUR HELP BEFORE STARTING IT, posted by Jeroen on August 19, 2005, at 11:09:04
Hi Jeroen,
>do you think its poison?
No, I don't - but don't take more than one tablet per day.
>i will take it for 3 weeks
Why 3 weeks?
Perhaps you could take one tablet per day for 3 weeks and then reduce the dose to 1/4 of a tablet daily?
Kind regards
~Ed
Posted by Jeroen on August 22, 2005, at 22:07:31
In reply to Re: MANGANESE EDUK I NEED YOUR HELP BEFORE STARTING IT » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on August 19, 2005, at 14:19:48
Administration of the trace mineral manganese (at 15mg per day) may prevent the development of tardive dyskinesia and higher amounts (up to 60mg per day) may reverse tardive dyskinesia that has already developed. [Manganese in dyskinesias. Am J Psychiatry 1976; 133: p.105, Am J Psychiatry 1997; 134: p.1448]
i have a bottle with AMINO ACID CHELATED MANGANESE 50 MG
is it the same stuff???? i will start tomorrow
Posted by Jeroen on August 22, 2005, at 22:07:31
In reply to Re: SEROXAT, posted by Jeroen on August 19, 2005, at 10:09:17
http://store.yahoo.com/yhst-14394105321549/ultramanganese.html
Ultra Manganese is a custom made formula including Manganese and vitamin B-6. Manganese (Not Magnesium) is crucial for repairing muscles, ligaments, tendons, joints and other body tissues.
it sais repairing muscles!!!!
Posted by Jeroen on August 22, 2005, at 22:07:31
In reply to I HAVE FOUND SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!! EDUK!!!!!!, posted by Jeroen on August 22, 2005, at 13:39:50
Melatonin A double-blind study demonstrated that 10mg of melatonin given at 8pm for 6 weeks is an effective treatment for tardive dyskinesia, although the magnitude of the effect was only modest. Other natural substances that have been reported to improve tardive dyskinesia include vitamin E, manganese and vitamin B6. It is possible that using these compounds in combination would be more effective than using any one individually. [Arch Gen Psychiatry 2001;58: pp.1049-52]
Posted by ed_uk on August 22, 2005, at 22:07:31
In reply to I FOUND SOMETHING ELSE, posted by Jeroen on August 22, 2005, at 13:55:30
Hi J :-)
I think you should take manganese 50mg - one tablet daily.
Do you also take vitamin E and B6?
How are you finding Seroxat?
~Ed
Posted by Jeroen on August 23, 2005, at 2:41:26
In reply to Re: I FOUND SOMETHING ELSE » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on August 22, 2005, at 15:07:11
the seroxat hasnt kicked in yet
Posted by Jeroen on August 23, 2005, at 2:46:54
In reply to SEROXAT, posted by Jeroen on August 23, 2005, at 2:41:26
I just took my first managanese of 50 mg
im on Seroquel 500 mg
Seroxat 20 mg
Manganese 50 mg
Tranxene 12 mg
Posted by ed_uk on August 23, 2005, at 14:24:15
In reply to MANGANESE, posted by Jeroen on August 23, 2005, at 2:46:54
Hi J!
We've been redirected to the alternative board :-)
>Seroxat 20 mg
It takes several weeks to kick in. Any side effects so far?
I hope you benefit from the manganese :-)
Kind regards
~Ed
Posted by Jeroen on August 23, 2005, at 22:13:07
In reply to Re: MANGANESE » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on August 23, 2005, at 14:24:15
yes, today i had sexual trouble
i almost coudnt ejaculate (very frustrating if you know what i mean), i think its a side effect from the seroxat
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