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Posted by Chairman_MAO on June 1, 2005, at 22:52:58
In reply to I MADE NEW NARDIL MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE, posted by Michael Bell on May 29, 2005, at 23:30:45
Where did you buy enterically coated capsules? I notice the new Nardil works for me, but I never tried the "old" one. You may want to try taking it with bioperine, which aids the absorption of vitamins/drugs and see how that goes.
I would be interested to see if there is a difference if I deliver it straight to the intestine. I will try the bioperine thing tonight and tomorrow.
Posted by Michael Bell on June 1, 2005, at 22:52:58
In reply to Re: I MADE NEW NARDIL MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE ?Michael Bell, posted by Chairman_MAO on May 30, 2005, at 20:27:27
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Most Mao-A is found in the placenta, liver and small intestine http://www.acnp.org/g4/GN401000046/CH046.htmlhttp://www.emdbiosciences.com/html/CBC/neurobiology_inhibitors_monoamine_oxidase.htm
In fact, the vast majority of drugs exert their influence by being absorbed in the intestinal tract.
There's no question that a major problem with new nardil (for some people) is that it dissolves too quickly and metabolised before it can reach the intestines, the section of the GI tract where the majority of Mao-A exists.
So I searched online for enteric coated capsules and found a product called Plasmin Plus. it is enteric coated and the capsule was purposefully created to survive the trip through the stomach and dissolve in the intestinal tract. For several weeks I have been opening up the Plasmin Plus capsules, crusing the nardil pills, filling up the Plasmin capsules and closing them back up. Then I put the capsules in my mouth (or water) for a few seconds, and leave them out to dry for a few minutes to make sure they are sealed.
The process may sound complicated, but it really isn't, and the effect is that the nardil is siginificantly more effective, and hardly causes any GI problems or insomnia.
By the way, as a disclaimer, I'm not pushing the Plasmin Plus product. Many sites sell it, and I don't care which one people get it from.
Hope that helped. Good luck
Where did you buy enterically coated capsules? I notice the new Nardil works for me, but I never tried the "old" one. You may want to try taking it with bioperine, which aids the absorption of vitamins/drugs and see how that goes.
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> I would be interested to see if there is a difference if I deliver it straight to the intestine. I will try the bioperine thing tonight and tomorrow.
Posted by KaraS on June 1, 2005, at 22:52:58
In reply to Re: I MADE NEW NARDIL MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE » KaraS, posted by Maxime on May 30, 2005, at 15:18:26
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> Yes, that is the one. Get it down the hatch as quickly as possible! LOL!
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I remembered what you said and took it in record time today! :-)K
Posted by sakpase on June 1, 2005, at 22:52:58
In reply to Nardil - the intestine is key (and Plasmin Plus) » Chairman_MAO, posted by Michael Bell on May 30, 2005, at 21:41:00
Posted by sakpase on June 1, 2005, at 22:52:58
In reply to Re: Nardil - the intestine is key (and Plasmin Plus) » Chairman_MAO (nm) » Michael Bell, posted by sakpase on May 31, 2005, at 23:20:16
Michael,
i don't find where i can't buy the plasmin plus capsules,
please can you send some links
Thanks!
Posted by mamaj on June 1, 2005, at 22:53:59
In reply to Nardil - the intestine is key (and Plasmin Plus) » Chairman_MAO, posted by Michael Bell on May 30, 2005, at 21:41:00
Hi, I looked online for plasmin plus and only found websites for plasmin plus capsules for stroke victims?? mj
Posted by Michael Bell on June 1, 2005, at 22:53:59
In reply to I MADE NEW NARDIL MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE, posted by Michael Bell on May 29, 2005, at 23:30:45
Go to Google.com and type in quotation marks either a) "PlasminPlus" or b) "PlasminPlus" and "enteric"
PlasminPlus is only ONE word. There's no space between them
DON'T BAN ME, DR BOB!!
Posted by mamaj on June 1, 2005, at 22:53:59
In reply to To find PlasminPlus..., posted by Michael Bell on June 1, 2005, at 19:57:14
Good looking out, Michael :)
Posted by Chairman_MAO on June 1, 2005, at 22:53:59
In reply to Nardil - the intestine is key (and Plasmin Plus) » Chairman_MAO, posted by Michael Bell on May 30, 2005, at 21:41:00
I don't agree with your theory. Unless I am misunderstanding something, wouldn't having the Nardil metabolize MORE MAO-A in the gut leave less of it to enter systemic circulation so it can reach the brain, which is where the MAO-A inhibition responsible for the psychotropic effect is located?
However, it is possible that something may be happening to it in the STOMACH that results in less getting into systemic circulation, and thus enterically coated caps help. Although what data do you have to show that it's possible to seal them with saliva?
Also, I tried taking 10mg of bioperine today 15-30 minutes before I took each dose of Nardil, and I think it worked markedly better. That could just be the cabergoline kicking in, though, so I'd need someone else to test it. 10mg bioperine tabs can be had at the Vitamin Shoppe, among many other stores, or online. If someone else could try this, I'd appreciate it. Perhaps I may have found an even easier way that enterically coated capsules to get more phenelzine absorbed (Bioperine is piperine, which increases the absorption of some vitamins, minerals, and drugs, sometimes many times over).
There is also the possibility that one or none of these methods have any effect and are simply "good placebos" ;). We really need others to try them.
Posted by Questionmark on June 12, 2005, at 23:09:35
In reply to Re: Nardil - the intestine is key (and Plasmin Plu » Michael Bell, posted by Chairman_MAO on June 1, 2005, at 21:57:11
Posted by cee on December 27, 2007, at 13:05:32
In reply to Nardil - the intestine is key (and Plasmin Plus), posted by Michael Bell on June 1, 2005, at 22:52:58
HELLO NARDIL USERS
HAS ANY ONE HAD ANY SUCCESS WITH DIGESTION IDEAS THAT THE CHAIMAN HAD ABOUT ASORBOTION IN THE INTESTINESTHANKS CEE
Posted by Questionmark on January 20, 2008, at 21:08:42
In reply to Re: Nardil - the intestine is key (and Plasmin Plus), posted by cee on December 27, 2007, at 13:05:32
Eh still haven't tried it, or anything that might be like that. Sorry.
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