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Posted by ed_uk on December 29, 2004, at 9:24:35
Has anyone ever had any side effects from picamilon?
Ed.
Posted by lotus on December 29, 2004, at 13:32:19
In reply to Picamilon, posted by ed_uk on December 29, 2004, at 9:24:35
> Has anyone ever had any side effects from picamilon?
>
> Ed.I'm using it right now and absolutely love it.And have no side effects that I know of.I take around 50mg twice a day.And if you want an excellent deal on it go here http://www.easycart.net/cgi-bin/BeyondACenturyInc./search.cgi ,courtesy of Larry.Thanks for the site Larry,you rock.
Posted by ed_uk on December 29, 2004, at 21:37:01
In reply to Re: Picamilon, posted by lotus on December 29, 2004, at 13:32:19
Thank you lotus!
To everyone.....
How long does picamilon take to act as a nootropic? Does anyone have any personal experience?
Ed.
Posted by KaraS on December 30, 2004, at 1:02:55
In reply to Re: Picamilon, posted by lotus on December 29, 2004, at 13:32:19
> > Has anyone ever had any side effects from picamilon?
> >
> > Ed.
>
> I'm using it right now and absolutely love it.And have no side effects that I know of.I take around 50mg twice a day.And if you want an excellent deal on it go here http://www.easycart.net/cgi-bin/BeyondACenturyInc./search.cgi ,courtesy of Larry.Thanks for the site Larry,you rock.Hi lotus,
Do you mind if I ask why you love it? What does it do for you? Is it just that it's sedating or do you get more of a nootropic effect from it?
Also, there's another good place to order it from which is really inexpensive and a lot of people here order from them. They have a lot of other interesting nootropics there too:
http://www.smi2le.biz/Products.shtml
k
Posted by lotus on December 30, 2004, at 2:46:23
In reply to Re: Picamilon » lotus, posted by KaraS on December 30, 2004, at 1:02:55
"Do you mind if I ask why you love it? What does it do for you? Is it just that it's sedating or do you get more of a nootropic effect from it"?
I have problems with anxiety and a little depression,and the Picamilon pretty much eliminates all the anxiety,and I am comfortable socializing with just about anyone now,as opposed to before,where I had a real problem socializing with anyone except my family.
"Also, there's another good place to order it from which is really inexpensive and a lot of people here order from them. They have a lot of other interesting nootropics there too":
I don't know about this guy.I ordered 2 weeks ago and still have'nt recieved my order even though I've been charged the money. If it isn't here by the end of the week I'll probably file a complaint with PayPal and try to get my money back.
Posted by KaraS on December 30, 2004, at 10:03:42
In reply to Re: Picamilon, posted by lotus on December 30, 2004, at 2:46:23
> "Do you mind if I ask why you love it? What does it do for you? Is it just that it's sedating or do you get more of a nootropic effect from it"?
>
> I have problems with anxiety and a little depression,and the Picamilon pretty much eliminates all the anxiety,and I am comfortable socializing with just about anyone now,as opposed to before,where I had a real problem socializing with anyone except my family.Wow, that really does sound like a good response.
I've heard that it may poop-out with continuous usage. There's another nootropic called Phenibut that might be a good substitute. Then you might be able to go back to the Picamilon.
> "Also, there's another good place to order it from which is really inexpensive and a lot of people here order from them. They have a lot of other interesting nootropics there too":
>
>
> I don't know about this guy.I ordered 2 weeks ago and still have'nt recieved my order even though I've been charged the money. If it isn't here by the end of the week I'll probably file a complaint with PayPal and try to get my money back.
Have you contacted them yet about your order? If so, what did they say? I hope it's just a problem on their end that they resolve quickly. Others here have said good things about them but now I'm beginning to wonder. Please let us know what happens - if it's not a favorable outcome I want to make sure not to recommend this site anymore. Thanks.
K
Posted by ed_uk on December 30, 2004, at 11:49:10
In reply to Re: Picamilon » lotus, posted by KaraS on December 30, 2004, at 10:03:42
I have a friend who tried phenibut and liked it much better than picamilon. He said phenibut was a lot more relaxing!
Ed.
Posted by lotus on December 30, 2004, at 13:57:00
In reply to Re: Picamilon » lotus, posted by KaraS on December 30, 2004, at 10:03:42
"Wow, that really does sound like a good response.
I've heard that it may poop-out with continuous usage. There's another nootropic called Phenibut that might be a good substitute. Then you might be able to go back to the Picamilon"
Thanks.If the Picamilon does poop-out I'll definitely give it a try.I may just go ahead and give it a try anyway to see if it works better than the Picamilon.
Posted by lotus on December 30, 2004, at 23:28:27
In reply to Re: Picamilon, posted by lotus on December 30, 2004, at 13:57:00
"> "Also, there's another good place to order it from which is really inexpensive and a lot of people here order from them. They have a lot of other interesting nootropics there too":
>
>
> "I don't know about this guy.I ordered 2 weeks ago and still have'nt recieved my order even though I've been charged the money. If it isn't here by the end of the week I'll probably file a complaint with PayPal and try to get my money back".
It came today,so this site is trustworthy,but it did take awhile.I'll also mention that they sent me an extra bottle for free,I guess to make up for the delay. http://smi2le.biz/Products.shml
Posted by KaraS on December 31, 2004, at 0:49:25
In reply to Re: Picamilon, posted by lotus on December 30, 2004, at 23:28:27
> "> "Also, there's another good place to order it from which is really inexpensive and a lot of people here order from them. They have a lot of other interesting nootropics there too":
> >
> >
> > "I don't know about this guy.I ordered 2 weeks ago and still have'nt recieved my order even though I've been charged the money. If it isn't here by the end of the week I'll probably file a complaint with PayPal and try to get my money back".
>
>
> It came today,so this site is trustworthy,but it did take awhile.I'll also mention that they sent me an extra bottle for free,I guess to make up for the delay. http://smi2le.biz/Products.shml
Glad to hear it. If/when you do try the Phenibut, let us know how it goes.K
Posted by KaraS on December 31, 2004, at 0:51:17
In reply to Re: Picamilon, posted by ed_uk on December 30, 2004, at 11:49:10
> I have a friend who tried phenibut and liked it much better than picamilon. He said phenibut was a lot more relaxing!
>
> Ed.
Maybe people can switch between the two and have continual coverage. Wouldn't that be great?k
Posted by ed_uk on December 31, 2004, at 7:55:14
In reply to Re: Picamilon » ed_uk, posted by KaraS on December 31, 2004, at 0:51:17
Hi Kara!
>Maybe people can switch between the two and have continual coverage. Wouldn't that be great?
He had nasty side effects from the picamilon so I think he'll be sticking to the phenibut!
Ed.
Posted by LOOPS on December 31, 2004, at 7:58:28
In reply to Re: Picamilon » KaraS, posted by ed_uk on December 31, 2004, at 7:55:14
Hi -
I ordered from the smiley place awhile ago and my order came really fast to Chile (like within a week).
I use picamilon for emergency days when I am particularly anxious - I find it works quite well with fish oil (sorry - keep on ranting about fish oil but it's been a godsend). I also find if I take it too close to bed it keeps me up, but if I take it earlier, I get a better night's sleep.
Loops
Posted by KaraS on December 31, 2004, at 14:18:38
In reply to Re: Picamilon » KaraS, posted by ed_uk on December 31, 2004, at 7:55:14
> Hi Kara!
>
> >Maybe people can switch between the two and have continual coverage. Wouldn't that be great?
>
> He had nasty side effects from the picamilon so I think he'll be sticking to the phenibut!
>
> Ed.
Really? That's the first person I've ever heard of having bad side effects from picamilon.k
Posted by KaraS on December 31, 2004, at 14:20:14
In reply to Re: Picamilon, posted by LOOPS on December 31, 2004, at 7:58:28
> Hi -
>
> I ordered from the smiley place awhile ago and my order came really fast to Chile (like within a week).
>
> I use picamilon for emergency days when I am particularly anxious - I find it works quite well with fish oil (sorry - keep on ranting about fish oil but it's been a godsend). I also find if I take it too close to bed it keeps me up, but if I take it earlier, I get a better night's sleep.
>
> LoopsLoops,
Do you find that fish oil helps you with anxiety or just with depression?Kara
Posted by tealady on December 31, 2004, at 14:26:19
In reply to Re: Picamilon » KaraS, posted by ed_uk on December 31, 2004, at 7:55:14
> Hi Kara!
>
> >Maybe people can switch between the two and have continual coverage. Wouldn't that be great?
>
> He had nasty side effects from the picamilon so I think he'll be sticking to the phenibut!
>
> Ed.Hi Ed,
What bad side effects did he get? Thanks
Jan
Posted by ed_uk on December 31, 2004, at 14:55:55
In reply to Re: Picamilon » ed_uk, posted by tealady on December 31, 2004, at 14:26:19
Hello,
He found it stimulating in an very unpleasant way. He said it felt like knives were scraping his brain.
Ed.
Posted by ed_uk on December 31, 2004, at 14:59:11
In reply to Re: Picamilon » ed_uk, posted by tealady on December 31, 2004, at 14:26:19
To anyone who has taken picamilon.............
How long did it take to treat anxiety or act as a nootropic?
Thanks,
Ed.
Posted by jujube on December 31, 2004, at 23:01:32
In reply to Re: Picamilon » tealady, posted by ed_uk on December 31, 2004, at 14:55:55
Picamilon can also be used as a stimulant. At 50 mg, three times a day, it provides. At 100 mg, three times a day, it acts as a stimulant. So if your friend was taking 100 mg capsules, that may have been the reason he became stimulated.
Tamara
> Hello,
>
> He found it stimulating in an very unpleasant way. He said it felt like knives were scraping his brain.
>
> Ed.
Posted by LOOPS on January 1, 2005, at 9:23:31
In reply to Re: Picamilon, posted by KaraS on December 31, 2004, at 14:20:14
>
> Loops,
> Do you find that fish oil helps you with anxiety or just with depression?
>
> Kara- Yes, it helps with both. Initially the high dose made me slightly anxious, but then less anxiety, if that makes any sense.
Loops
Posted by KaraS on January 1, 2005, at 13:07:33
In reply to Re: fish oil, posted by LOOPS on January 1, 2005, at 9:23:31
Posted by zmg on January 2, 2005, at 18:52:12
In reply to Re: Picamilon » lotus, posted by KaraS on December 30, 2004, at 10:03:42
Sorry to knock this off topic for a second, but in response to Kara's Phenibut interest I'd like to respond a second (thanks for directing me over here).
I took Phenibut for about a month (to treat anxiety) over a range of doses. The dose I settled on ended up 1.3 grams in the morning and 650 mg in the afternoon. This seemed to work well (although sometimes I'd take a little more).
Lower doses tended to make me tired during the day, but as I pushed my dose up the tiredness decreased.
At that higher dose my social phobia was definitely decreased. I was more talkative and maybe somewhat friendlier (not in a touchy-feely MDMA way) and more motivated (I would cook my wife dinner, clean up a little more then normal, etc).
For the first week maybe it left me feeling pretty fuzzy-headed, I'd forget words or reverse their order in sentences. I also had headaches, but an Advil fixed that. One of the more startling effects was the speed at which I'd fall to sleep, maybe the first three days I would actually jump with a start when I began to fall asleep because it happened so fast. That was pretty uncomfortable, but also seemed to subside (maybe I just got used to it).
The reasons I decided to stop (I'm using it again now, but thats another story, I'd rather not be) was that some of side-effects made me pretty uncomfortable: shallow breathing, sleep apnea, dry mouth, frequent red-eye (treatable with eye-drops) and transient headaches.
If it were not for those side-effects I'd say that its a generally good (albeit weak) substitute for the benzodiazepines with some light mood lifting effects.
I haven't read a lot of feedback like my own, so I'm guessing some people are having good results (or just haven't got around to talking about it yet).
The respiratory depression and apnea I have seen reported elsewhere, but not frequently enough to know if this is a common side-effect or not.
I did but it in bulk so it was pretty inexpensive.
Anyhow, thats my feedback. I'll be using traditional benzodiazepine's to treat my anxiety because of the decreased side effects. YMMV.
FTR Phenibut is a pharmceutical even though its being marketed as a suppliment. I believe it was used as a Russian anti-depressant in the past (I'm not sure though).
Posted by KaraS on January 2, 2005, at 21:04:58
In reply to Re: Picamilon » KaraS, posted by zmg on January 2, 2005, at 18:52:12
> Sorry to knock this off topic for a second, but in response to Kara's Phenibut interest I'd like to respond a second (thanks for directing me over here).
>
> I took Phenibut for about a month (to treat anxiety) over a range of doses. The dose I settled on ended up 1.3 grams in the morning and 650 mg in the afternoon. This seemed to work well (although sometimes I'd take a little more).
>
> Lower doses tended to make me tired during the day, but as I pushed my dose up the tiredness decreased.
>
> At that higher dose my social phobia was definitely decreased. I was more talkative and maybe somewhat friendlier (not in a touchy-feely MDMA way) and more motivated (I would cook my wife dinner, clean up a little more then normal, etc).
>
> For the first week maybe it left me feeling pretty fuzzy-headed, I'd forget words or reverse their order in sentences. I also had headaches, but an Advil fixed that. One of the more startling effects was the speed at which I'd fall to sleep, maybe the first three days I would actually jump with a start when I began to fall asleep because it happened so fast. That was pretty uncomfortable, but also seemed to subside (maybe I just got used to it).
>
> The reasons I decided to stop (I'm using it again now, but thats another story, I'd rather not be) was that some of side-effects made me pretty uncomfortable: shallow breathing, sleep apnea, dry mouth, frequent red-eye (treatable with eye-drops) and transient headaches.
>
> If it were not for those side-effects I'd say that its a generally good (albeit weak) substitute for the benzodiazepines with some light mood lifting effects.
>
> I haven't read a lot of feedback like my own, so I'm guessing some people are having good results (or just haven't got around to talking about it yet).
>
> The respiratory depression and apnea I have seen reported elsewhere, but not frequently enough to know if this is a common side-effect or not.
>
> I did but it in bulk so it was pretty inexpensive.
>
> Anyhow, thats my feedback. I'll be using traditional benzodiazepine's to treat my anxiety because of the decreased side effects. YMMV.
>
> FTR Phenibut is a pharmceutical even though its being marketed as a suppliment. I believe it was used as a Russian anti-depressant in the past (I'm not sure though).
Hi,Thanks for your feedback on this. I'm currently having problems with shallow breathing so I won't be trying this anytime soon. It's really too bad you had those side effects because it seemed to be doing a lot of wonderful things for you. (I'd kill for a little motivation these days.) At the very least, it was good you had this to help you out in the short run.
Take care,
Kara
Posted by zmg on January 2, 2005, at 21:46:04
In reply to Re: Phenibut » zmg, posted by KaraS on January 2, 2005, at 21:04:58
Thank you. It was helpful. Hopefully I'm going to be trying Wellbutrin SR/Valium combo (Valium for the activating). Next time I get a AD script I will definately ask for some Ambien too (better then staring at the ceiling).
I'm curious to hear if it effected other people that way or it was just my reaction. Without the side effects it could be useful to some people (although tolerance might be an issue).
Posted by ESB on January 6, 2005, at 16:17:00
In reply to Re: fish oil, posted by LOOPS on January 1, 2005, at 9:23:31
Hi Loops,
I was wondering what dosage of fish oil you are taking and how much of each: EPA, DHA?
Thanks,
ESB> >
> > Loops,
> > Do you find that fish oil helps you with anxiety or just with depression?
> >
> > Kara
>
> - Yes, it helps with both. Initially the high dose made me slightly anxious, but then less anxiety, if that makes any sense.
>
> Loops
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