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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by Dr. Bob on October 28, 2014, at 23:45:57
In reply to Lou's reply- The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-tuklkz » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on October 27, 2014, at 10:29:14
> > I'd rather not go to another site. Could you summarize the idea for me?
>
> I am unsure as to why you would not want to read what is in that article from that other site.And I'm unsure why you don't want to summarize it.
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 30, 2014, at 15:24:56
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on October 28, 2014, at 23:45:57
> > > I'd rather not go to another site. Could you summarize the idea for me?
> >
> > I am unsure as to why you would not want to read what is in that article from that other site.
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> And I'm unsure why you don't want to summarize it.
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> Bob
>
Mr. Hsiung,
The reason that I can not post a summery as that you have requested, is because to post such would have me need to post what I am prevented from posting here due to your prohibitions posted to me here.
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2014, at 9:58:07
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on October 23, 2014, at 2:05:14
> > > a deputy did sanction that post:
> > >
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656375.html
> >
> > What the deputy sanctioned is shown as in the link that you posted here which is a different post. That post does not offer a link to John 5. If you click on the link that you offered here as that you say the deputy sanctioned, there is not an offered link at all.
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> That link is to the post by the deputy. It's in reply to:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656322.html
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> which is the post with the link to John 5.
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> --
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> > > > 1. My policy is not to sanction archived posts.
> >
> > But your policy is that being supportive takes precedence. And you say that you do what in your thinking will be good for this community as a whole.
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> True, I think not sanctioning archived posts is good for this community as a whole.
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> > A subset of readers could think that leaving anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as supportive will be good for this community as a whole in your thinking.
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> True, they could think my real intent is different.
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> --
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> > > 2. I'm not responding to all of your notifications because I consider the outcomes you fear to be unlikely. I am responding to you in this thread because I value your point of view and don't want to dismiss your concerns.
> >
> > readers could have a rational basis to think that what you wrote is a lie because you have posted your reason for not responding to the notifications that my reminders posted here show, which span years. You gave your reason as that it would be good for you and the community as a whole to do so. That is different from that you now say that you do not respond to those notifications from me because you consider the outcomes by me to be unlikely.
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> True, they're different, but I think not responding to every fear of an unlikely outcome is good for this community as a whole.
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> You know, I didn't like having a policy (making your notifications an exception) that was personal. My policy is not to have policies that are personal. But you've successfully pushed me to articulate my rationale, and therefore a general (impersonal) policy. I feel better. Thanks, Lou.
>
> BobMr. Hsiung,
You wrote that you are not responding to all of your notifications because,{I consider the outcomes you fear, (Lou), to be unlikely}
A subset of readers could think that is a lie. They could have a rational basis to think that if they have seen that you posted,[..if posters see me not respond to you then they themselves may not respond to you].
Another subset of readers could think that what you wrote about me is a call for members to shun me as your reason for not responding to my years of notifications that my reminders posted here show that you have not acted on those notifications as you say that you will to notifications for others as I am listed by you as the only exception to your drafted rule here as those readers could have a rational basis to think that by those readers thinking that you are advocating members to shun me, that could stigmatize me here which could cause those subsets of readers to have hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings toward me that could reduce the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held. The result of what you have posted here about me could mislead a subset of readers to think that anti-Semitism is considered to be supportive by you and your deputies of record as long as Matthew 27 is allowed to be seen as supportive and {No non-Christian will...} also be allowed to be seen as supportive where it is originally posted with out your tagline to please be civil, along with many other posts that I have not presented here yet in this discussion that could arouse antisemitic feelings here on the basis that anti-Semitic propaganda is being allowed to be seen as supportive and will be good for this community as a whole in your thinking and that you have posted that being supportive takes precedence and that anti-Semitism is not civil and that posters are to be civil at all times and that the mission of the forum id guided by the Golden Rule.
As to what the outcomes could result of allowing anti-Semitic statements to be seen as supportive by you and your deputies of record as being the criteria that you all used to allow anti-Semitic statements and defamation against me to be seen as supportive by you, a subset of readers could think that if that is your policy, then your standard for my notifications to be responded to is different from the standard in your TOS/FAQ or others, which could have a subset of readers think that you are using discrimination against me, which is an abuse of power, to foster anti-Semitic hate and defamation here by the concept of {two standards}, one for the community in your TOS, and one for the Jew here, myself. And those readers that see the defamation being allowed to be seen as supportive against me here by you and your deputies of record, along with the antisemetic statements being allowed to be seen as supportive, could conclude logically that it is your intent to inflict emotional distress upon me by me being the recipient of defamation and allowing the Jews to be defamed along with that. Those readers have a rational basis to think that because it is your rule not to post anything that could lead one to feel accused or put down and the accusations against the Jews are being allowed to be seen as supportive and will be good for this community as a whole in your thinking and I guess the thinking of your deputies of record since you say that any response (or omission) come from all of you.
The accusations against the Jews in question go to all Jews, not just me as a Jew here. I consider that you can perpetuate the ancient hatred toward the Jews by refusing to post some sort of repudiation to the posts that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings here, because a subset of readers could think that you could open the posts in question and add some tagline to show that the community does not consider the statements in question to be supportive. I think that would not be sanctioning, but clarifying, which IMHO would not cause you to go against your self-made rule to not sanction what is in a post that is archived. And anyway, a subset of readers could think that I did send you a notification and you did not respond to it which allowed the post to be archived without responding to me. So with that, I am asking you now to go to the posts in question and open them up and add to the post something like:
operator's note:
Be advised that what is posted here about the Jews does not reflect the posting policies here and is against the mission of the forum that is for support and the Golden Rule. If anyone here after reading got the idea that Jews or Islamic people or any others are inferior to Christians or that Judaism and other faiths are being defamed by the statement in question, you do have a rightful objection to that me and my deputies of record allowed the statements in question to be seen as supportive in our thinking.
We are now going to allow members to post links to the posts that you think are defaming to Jews and others, and we will remove the posts in question promptly along with any posts in the thread that relate to them.
"Dr. Bob and his deputies"
Lou Pilder
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1050356.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 4, 2014, at 16:45:23
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on October 23, 2014, at 2:05:14
> > > a deputy did sanction that post:
> > >
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656375.html
> >
> > What the deputy sanctioned is shown as in the link that you posted here which is a different post. That post does not offer a link to John 5. If you click on the link that you offered here as that you say the deputy sanctioned, there is not an offered link at all.
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> That link is to the post by the deputy. It's in reply to:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656322.html
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> which is the post with the link to John 5.
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> --
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> > > > 1. My policy is not to sanction archived posts.
> >
> > But your policy is that being supportive takes precedence. And you say that you do what in your thinking will be good for this community as a whole.
>
> True, I think not sanctioning archived posts is good for this community as a whole.
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> > A subset of readers could think that leaving anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as supportive will be good for this community as a whole in your thinking.
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> True, they could think my real intent is different.
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> --
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> > > 2. I'm not responding to all of your notifications because I consider the outcomes you fear to be unlikely. I am responding to you in this thread because I value your point of view and don't want to dismiss your concerns.
> >
> > readers could have a rational basis to think that what you wrote is a lie because you have posted your reason for not responding to the notifications that my reminders posted here show, which span years. You gave your reason as that it would be good for you and the community as a whole to do so. That is different from that you now say that you do not respond to those notifications from me because you consider the outcomes by me to be unlikely.
>
> True, they're different, but I think not responding to every fear of an unlikely outcome is good for this community as a whole.
>
> You know, I didn't like having a policy (making your notifications an exception) that was personal. My policy is not to have policies that are personal. But you've successfully pushed me to articulate my rationale, and therefore a general (impersonal) policy. I feel better. Thanks, Lou.
>
> BobMr. Hsiung,
You wrote,[...a deputy did sanction that post...].
I say not. I have a rational basis to think that the post was not sanctioned by the deputy because it is my understanding that for something to be a sanction, there needs to be a threatened penalty, of which there is not by the deputy. The deputy did not follow the script in the allowing of the anti-Semitism to be seen in a link, {provided that the deputy asks for the post to be revised}, of which there is no request from the deputy to revise the link. And worse, there are numerous anti-Semitic statements in the link, not just verse 16. By the deputy not following the venue that you created for the poster to post links with anti-Semitic content, the poster could continue with impunity to post more links with antisemitic propaganda which had the link to Matt 27 to follow, which had no request at all from you or a deputy to revise the link.
And worse, by the deputy telling the poster not to post such type of statements in a link, the poster went ahead and did it anyway.
A subset of readers could think that your TOS/FAQ is a sham by having a rational basis to think that because your TOS states that you use the Golden Rule in what you do and that you try to be fair, which those readers consider to include equal treatment and equal protection provided by your rules here which I am denied by you by your not responding to my notifications which allows the posts with anti-Semitic content that I have alerted you about, to be archived where you give them by your self- made rule,impunity from sanction.
Let there be no misunderstanding here. The forum is for support, and anti-Semitism posted here is not supportive by me. You could open that post and type in something like:
Operator's note:
Be advised that we do not validate the antisemitic propaganda seen in the link to John 5 as in verse 16 and others. We will be removing all of the anti-Semitic content posted here and it will be an undertaking requiring some time. If you could help us to do the removing, please send us the link to the post and we will appreciate it.
"Dr. Bob and his deputies"
Lou Pilder
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 11, 2014, at 14:05:25
In reply to Lou's reply- The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-tehykowt » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on November 4, 2014, at 16:45:23
> > > > a deputy did sanction that post:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656375.html
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> I say not. I have a rational basis to think that the post was not sanctioned by the deputy because it is my understanding that for something to be a sanction, there needs to be a threatened penalty, of which there is not by the deputy.I guess we have different understandings of "sanction". But reasonable people can disagree.
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 13, 2014, at 8:30:31
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on November 11, 2014, at 14:05:25
> > > > > a deputy did sanction that post:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656375.html
> >
> > I say not. I have a rational basis to think that the post was not sanctioned by the deputy because it is my understanding that for something to be a sanction, there needs to be a threatened penalty, of which there is not by the deputy.
>
> I guess we have different understandings of "sanction". But reasonable people can disagree.
>
> BobMr. Hsiung,
You wrote,[...we have different understandings of "sanction"...].
That is correct. But your rules here say that there is a factor as to what an understanding of a word is to be held here. And that is the definition used by the Webster dictionary.
That dictionary says that a sanction has a threat of a penalty. In the case at hand, the deputy did not post a threat of a penalty to the poster of the antisemitic propaganda in the link. This allowed the poster to go on and on posting other links with antisemitic poropaganda of which in the link to Matt 27 there is no mention from you or your deputies of record to revise the link as you have encouraged the same poster to post links with antismitism with impunity as long as the poster posted what you say is a revision to what is in the link even though the original link is not revised. That allows the antisemitic propaganda to be seen as supportive by you and your deputies of record.
I am asking you ,today, to go to that post with the link to John 5 and the post with the link to Matt 27 and open the link up and type right in the post something like:
owner's note:
Be advised that the antisemitic propaganda that can be seen in the offered link is not supportive and will not be good for this community as a whole for the ancient hatred toward the Jews to be allowed here to be seen as if we validate the antisemitic hate. But we have made a rule for ourselves to allow it to be seen as civil, since there is no sanction from us to the antisemitic propaganda. We realize that there could be a subset of readers that could take it to be supportive and act out violence and even murder to Jews as a result of seeing that a psychiatrist with up to 6 deputies have allowed the antisemitic ptopaganda to be seen as supportive by us and that we will not respond to notifications from a Jewish poster here, because our policy is that being supportive takes precdence and posters are to be civil at all times. By us leaving the antisemitic propaganda unsanctioned, you may want to leave this site and go to another forum where Jews are not allowed to be put down or accused and where posters are not to post what could lead one to feel that their faith is being put down.
"Dr. Bob and his deputies"
Lou PIlder
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 6, 2015, at 5:54:44
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on October 26, 2014, at 22:55:00
> > > > To see this, pull up Google and type in:
> > > > [ jdstone.org, in the new testament ]
> > > > usually first
> >
> > the corrected link can be actuated by going to Google and typing in:
> > [ jamestabor.com, top-seven-fateful ]
>
> I'd rather not go to another site. Could you summarize the idea for me? Thanks,
>
> Bob
Mr. Hsiung,
Here is the link to the statements in question.
Lou Pilder
To see the post, go to the search box at the bottom of this page and type in:
[ admin, 678224 ]
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 8, 2015, at 20:08:50
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Bryte on August 22, 2014, at 0:00:15
> > I don't choose to expose anyone to capricious enforcement of arbitrary, ad hoc rules.
> >
> > Bob
>
>
> Are you saying do not capriciously enforce arbitrary ad hoc rules - by your definition, or by anybody's definition?
>
> Or are you saying that you do not choose to do so... perhaps that you do not knowingly do so?
>
> Do you maintain professional liability insurance related to your activities here?
>Bryte,
In that you are asking Mr. Hsiung to declare what could lead others to have a better understanding of that he uses the word {chose} in
[...I don't chose to expose anyone to capricious enforcement of arbitrary, ad hoc rules...], there are other statements here by Mr. Hsiung that could clarify that. But does it really matter if someone dies here as a result of being subject to defamation (as being put down or accused)and not be protected equally by Mr. Hsiung not posting his tagline to be civil to the defamation so that a subset of readers or the recipient of the defamation could think that what you say is evident?
Let us use the example of Mr. Hsiung stating that he will act on notifications but not some of mine, as I am the only listed person in what he wrote. And if the notification , if acted upon, could have prevented a suicide or murder, would it matter if Mr. Hsiung chose to not act on my notification or not?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 10, 2015, at 7:57:42
In reply to Convert. » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on December 10, 2013, at 13:10:46
> > I am asking that you post to that post that the statement could lead people of other faiths to feel put down because it is against your rules to post what could put down those of other faiths.
>
> Save yourself first. Jewish people convert to Christianity all the time.
>
>
> - Scott
Scott,
I have the following concerns and if you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
True or False:
A. Do you consider the slang phrase {to put down}, analogous to posting what could defame another?
B. If so, could Islamic people feel put down by what you wrote here to me?
C. If so, could Islamic people feel that what you wrote to me here is an insult to Islam?
D. If to be saved means to convert to Christianity as you have posted to me here, could it also mean that people of the Islamic faith to save themselves first, as you write, would also be advised to convert to Christianity to be saved? (If not, why not?)
E. Could a subset of readers think by your grammatical structure of what you posted to me here that Jews are not saved as being Jews?
F. Could the same be thought by Islamic people?
Yes or No:
G. Would you be willing to go to Yeman, let's say, and tell the people there to save themselves first and convert to Christianity?
H. Would you be willing to go to a Jewish neighborhood in New York and go into a Kosher market and tell the Jews shopping there to save themselves first and convert to Christianity?
K. Would you be willing to post here what you mean by convert to Christianity? If so, please do here now.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 11, 2015, at 12:29:37
In reply to Lou's reply to Scott-oarganighzed?, posted by Lou Pilder on June 13, 2014, at 8:12:56
> > > > Do you feel that hate is institutionalized on Psycho-Babble in the same way it is in the social groups described in the CNN article?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - Scott
> > >
> > > Scott,
> > > Your question is as how this site, organized and administrated by Mr Hsiung and his deputies, is in some way like the hate groups described in the article from CNN:
> > > http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/15/opinion/blee-hate-groups/index.html
> > > When a group shapes racial hatred, it then is like what the author describes. This is done by teaching and persuading readers in a way that can lead to, as in this case, hatred toward the Jews. When that happens, the readers could tragically act out what they have been led to believe by the owner of the web site.
> > > Hate groups against Jews are spawned when the site intentionally develops or contributes to anti-Jewish thought. In the case right now, the statement {No non-Christian will enter heaven}, although just one of many anti-Semitic statements allowed to be seen as civil here and also will be good for this community as a whole as being allowed to stand without the owner posting a repudiation to the post where the statement appears in its thread, could lead to having a subset of readers think that the site is allowing degradation of the Jews, dehumanizing the Jews as the statement is analogous to:{Jews will not enter heaven or even, {only Christians will enter heaven}. The statement is a part of the foundation of hatred toward the Jews, as the statement puts down Jews as inferior to Christians.
> > > By allowing the statement to be seen as that it will be good for this community as a whole as not having a repudiation posted to it in the thread where it appears, could induce other defamatory statements against the Jews, for Mr. Hsiung's rule is that if there is not a sanction to the post, then it is not against the rules by him, and a subset of readers could see that it is not sanctioned visibly, and not jump to a conclusion that because Mr. Hsiung sanctioned a vulgar word by the poster, then that constitutes a sanction to the post in question. They may be of the intellect that not until they see it can they know it, and the sanction that Mr. Hsiung says is a "indirect" sanction, can not be seen by them, for there is not an explanation in the thread where the statement appears to lead to that conclusion that Mr. Hsiung says sanctions the statement in question. The potentially offending word is separate from the put down of the Jews as can be seen in {No non-Christian can enter heaven}, for there is not mention of that in the "indirect" sanction by Mr. Hsiung that he is attempting other readers to accept here. This is important because {redacted by respondent}.
> > > But be it as it may be, readers could see the statement as it can be seen, could lead other to think that Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record are responsible for developing anti-Semitic hatred here as that Mr Hsiung not only states that he does what will be good for this community as a whole, but asks for readers to trust him at that. Now if Mr. Hsiung was neutral in respect to posting here, that could be different. But when the site is loaded against Jews, in particular but not limited to the fact that I am prohibited by Mr. Hsiung to post from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me, which prevents me from posting a repudiation to the statement {No non-Christian will enter heaven}, then readers could be persuaded in one way of thinking by not allowing readers to be informed by me from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me. And it is so easy to persuade the uninformed. Its so easy.
> > > Lou
> > >
> > Friends,
> > The statement in discussion, {No non-Christian will enter heaven}, that can be seen as being civil here and also that it will be good for this community as a whole to not have a repudiation posted to it in the thread where it appears, for that is what Mr. Hsiung's stated rationale for what he does here. But what rationale could be used by anyone to say that anti-Semitism in posts unsanctioned will be good for this community as a whole?
> > Now here is partial outline of some of the statements being also allowed to be posted here without a repudiation posted to it in the thread where the statement appears, which could lead readers to think that the anti-Semitic statements are not against Mr. Hsiung's rules here. And because those statements are allowed to stand, readers could think that not only are the anti-Jewish thoughts that the statements could purport are being validated and ratified by Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record, but since not even one of the up to 6 deputies posted any objection there to the statements, that a subset of readers could think that a complicity as a design to humiliate and ridicule Jews could be the intention of Mr. Hsiung and those deputies that went along with leaving those statements to stand.
> > Lou
> > [ admin, 1046351 ]
> > Now when you use the search box at the end of the page here, look for the 1046351 in the colored strip URL, not in the subject line.
> >
> Scott,
> You asked if I feel that hate is institutionalized here in the same way it is in social groups described in the CNN article.
> One of the keys to substantiating that is to examine this site to see if there is {organization} able to be seen. Some of the components of that are dictatorship, oppression, malevolence and discrimination. Then to see if there are hatreds stirred so that in this case, Jews could become easy victims. But it is much more than that., for Mr. Hsiung states here that one is to consider actions by the administration to "come from all of us". That could lead a subset of readers to think that there had to be some sort of complicity involved between Mr. Hsiung and his deputies to allow anti-Semitic statements to stand here which could lead a subset of readers to think that there is a common plan designed to ignore their own rules to accommodated hatred toward the Jews.
> Lou
>
> Scott,
In your question as to if hate is institutionalized on Psycho-Babble in the same way it is in the social groups described in the CNN article, this site has some differences, let's say, to a web site chaired by a non-mental health professional. In this site, the psychiatrist has training to know how psychological harm could come to someone here and could know the tactics used to degrade people and how the adverse effects of discrimination could bring stigmatization to the subject person that could have others think of the subject person or persons that is the recipient of discrimination to be considered to be inferior, as here where Mr. Hsiung says that if he does not intervene where an anti-Semitic statement can be seen as supportive, that it will be good for the community as a whole in his thinking to not intervene and for others to try and trust him at that, for he will appreciate it.
There are many even to this day that say that they are doing what will be good by committing mass-murder of Jews. It is this statement by Mr. Hsiung to trust him in that anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen as supportive where it is originally posted for him to not respond to my notifications that could stop the hate from being seen as supportive here. In relation to the other social groups described by CNN, I do not see any of those groups that are chaired by a mental health professional to allow defamation or racial propaganda or anti-Judaism propaganda to be seen as supportive. In fact, in some jurisdictions sites that intend to degrade or cause psychological harm to a person because of their race , religion, national origin, sexual orientation and such could be charged with a hate-crime if it is motivated by prejudice to allow , let's say, anti-Semitic thought to be seen as being encouraged or developed by the site owner. In some jurisdictions, bloggers that defame Islam are sentenced to death.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 15, 2015, at 22:23:50
In reply to Re: doesn't even mean it's not against the rules, posted by Dr. Bob on August 3, 2014, at 10:05:18
> > > I would assume that if something is brought to Dr. Bob's attention and he does nothing that he thought it was not against the rules. But that doesn't mean he agrees with what was said.
> >
> > Right:
> >
> > > The only messages I take responsibility for are my own.
>
> I should revise that. I might consider something against the rules, yet decide not to intervene. I want to be free to use my judgment. If you would try to accept what I decide and to trust that I'm doing my best to be fair and to do what I think will be good for this community as a whole, I'd really appreciate it.
>
> Bob
Mr. Hsiung,
You wrote he above. I am unsure as to what you are wanting others to think here by what you wrote. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
True or false:
A. In posts where anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen that you did not intervene, you left the statement un intervened so that the community will be improved as a whole by not sanctioning the anti-Semitic propaganda.
B. If so, you will post here what that improvement will be by you not intervening.
C. If I was to intervene where the anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen, Lou, the community as a whole would suffer un improvement and be bad for the community for me to post an intervention.
D. I agree, Lou, that by me not posting an intervention where anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen here, that a subset of readers could think that I and my deputies of record are validating the anti-Semitic hate.
E. In that I say here, Lou, that I am doing my best to be fair here, a subset of readers could think that I am denying the Jews equal protection of my rules where anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen as supportive where it is originally posted, and a subset of readers could think that it is fair according to me, Lou, to leave anti-Semitic propaganda un intervened while intervening where anti-Christian propaganda is posted here.
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 15, 2015, at 22:23:51
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Dr. Hsiung-~endrs, posted by Dinah on December 2, 2004, at 8:17:46
> It's my understanding that nothing on this site is "endorsed" by Dr. Bob, and that he takes responsibility only for his own words. If he finds something doesn't comply with site guidelines he takes admin action. But not taking admin action doesn't imply endorsement or approval. Admin action only says that something is in noncompliance. Leaving it up only means that no rules have been broken.
Friends,
The poster wrote,[...Leaving it up only means that no rules have been broken...].
Now that perception indicated as being what it is by Dinah here, could be the perception of other readers also.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 15, 2015, at 22:23:52
In reply to Lou's request-equlprotk » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on January 9, 2015, at 20:13:31
> > > > I would assume that if something is brought to Dr. Bob's attention and he does nothing that he thought it was not against the rules. But that doesn't mean he agrees with what was said.
> > >
> > > Right:
> > >
> > > > The only messages I take responsibility for are my own.
> >
> > I should revise that. I might consider something against the rules, yet decide not to intervene. I want to be free to use my judgment. If you would try to accept what I decide and to trust that I'm doing my best to be fair and to do what I think will be good for this community as a whole, I'd really appreciate it.
> >
> > Bob
> Mr. Hsiung,
> You wrote he above. I am unsure as to what you are wanting others to think here by what you wrote. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> True or false:
> A. In posts where anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen that you did not intervene, you left the statement un intervened so that the community will be improved as a whole by not sanctioning the anti-Semitic propaganda.
> B. If so, you will post here what that improvement will be by you not intervening.
> C. If I was to intervene where the anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen, Lou, the community as a whole would suffer un improvement and be bad for the community for me to post an intervention.
> D. I agree, Lou, that by me not posting an intervention where anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen here, that a subset of readers could think that I and my deputies of record are validating the anti-Semitic hate.
> E. In that I say here, Lou, that I am doing my best to be fair here, a subset of readers could think that I am denying the Jews equal protection of my rules where anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen as supportive where it is originally posted, and a subset of readers could think that it is fair according to me, Lou, to leave anti-Semitic propaganda un intervened while intervening where anti-Christian propaganda is posted here.
> Lou PilderMr. Hsuing,
I have the following requests. If you could post answers here to the following, then I think that it could go a long way to prevent Jews from being victims of anti-Semitic violence and Islamic people and others that have in their faith that they can enter heaven without being a Christian as a result of any readers thinking that by seeing those type of statements posted here to be considered to be supportive by you as not being against your rules as standing.
By you now saying, "I should revise that.", this brings up grave concerns to me.
True or False:
The people that read the anti-Semitic propaganda here before you posted that you should revise that your policy was that if did not intervene it was not against your rules:
A. Could think that antisemitic statements are not against your rules and think that anti-Semitism is supportive by you.
B. Could think that anti-Semitic statements not intervened by you will be good for your community as a whole
C. Could act out violence toward Jews as thinking that a psychiatrist is validating hatred toward the Jews as it will be good for his community as a whole so it could also be good for their community as a whole.
D. People here that are taking mind-altering drugs that can make them easily influenced by what a psychiatrist writes as to what his thinking is, could be easily persuaded to commit violence and even murder of Jews as thinking that if anti-Semitism is considered to be supportive and not against your rules, then Jews could be thought to be inferior by you so they could think that you are the exemplar and {trust} you as you ask them to try to do and that you will appreciate it if they do.
E. I will post a whole page, Lou, so that the page is seen first to explain that anti-Semitic propaganda seen here as un intervened was considered not against my rules up to my revision, and the revision now means that anti-Semitic propaganda is still against my rules but I will allow some to be seen as supportive because I think that later the community will be improved by me allowing anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen un intervened and could be considered for readers to be validated or ratified by me and my deputies of record.
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 15, 2015, at 22:23:53
In reply to Lou's request-truzme, posted by Lou Pilder on January 16, 2015, at 11:59:40
> > > > > I would assume that if something is brought to Dr. Bob's attention and he does nothing that he thought it was not against the rules. But that doesn't mean he agrees with what was said.
> > > >
> > > > Right:
> > > >
> > > > > The only messages I take responsibility for are my own.
> > >
> > > I should revise that. I might consider something against the rules, yet decide not to intervene. I want to be free to use my judgment. If you would try to accept what I decide and to trust that I'm doing my best to be fair and to do what I think will be good for this community as a whole, I'd really appreciate it.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > Mr. Hsiung,
> > You wrote he above. I am unsure as to what you are wanting others to think here by what you wrote. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> > True or false:
> > A. In posts where anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen that you did not intervene, you left the statement un intervened so that the community will be improved as a whole by not sanctioning the anti-Semitic propaganda.
> > B. If so, you will post here what that improvement will be by you not intervening.
> > C. If I was to intervene where the anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen, Lou, the community as a whole would suffer un improvement and be bad for the community for me to post an intervention.
> > D. I agree, Lou, that by me not posting an intervention where anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen here, that a subset of readers could think that I and my deputies of record are validating the anti-Semitic hate.
> > E. In that I say here, Lou, that I am doing my best to be fair here, a subset of readers could think that I am denying the Jews equal protection of my rules where anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen as supportive where it is originally posted, and a subset of readers could think that it is fair according to me, Lou, to leave anti-Semitic propaganda un intervened while intervening where anti-Christian propaganda is posted here.
> > Lou Pilder
>
> Mr. Hsuing,
> I have the following requests. If you could post answers here to the following, then I think that it could go a long way to prevent Jews from being victims of anti-Semitic violence and Islamic people and others that have in their faith that they can enter heaven without being a Christian as a result of any readers thinking that by seeing those type of statements posted here to be considered to be supportive by you as not being against your rules as standing.
> By you now saying, "I should revise that.", this brings up grave concerns to me.
> True or False:
> The people that read the anti-Semitic propaganda here before you posted that you should revise that your policy was that if did not intervene it was not against your rules:
> A. Could think that antisemitic statements are not against your rules and think that anti-Semitism is supportive by you.
> B. Could think that anti-Semitic statements not intervened by you will be good for your community as a whole
> C. Could act out violence toward Jews as thinking that a psychiatrist is validating hatred toward the Jews as it will be good for his community as a whole so it could also be good for their community as a whole.
> D. People here that are taking mind-altering drugs that can make them easily influenced by what a psychiatrist writes as to what his thinking is, could be easily persuaded to commit violence and even murder of Jews as thinking that if anti-Semitism is considered to be supportive and not against your rules, then Jews could be thought to be inferior by you so they could think that you are the exemplar and {trust} you as you ask them to try to do and that you will appreciate it if they do.
> E. I will post a whole page, Lou, so that the page is seen first to explain that anti-Semitic propaganda seen here as un intervened was considered not against my rules up to my revision, and the revision now means that anti-Semitic propaganda is still against my rules but I will allow some to be seen as supportive because I think that later the community will be improved by me allowing anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen un intervened and could be considered for readers to be validated or ratified by me and my deputies of record.
> Lou Pilder
>
Mr. Hsuing,
In regards tat you posted that you should revise that what can be seen un intervened is not against your rules here, this brings up two periods of time. One is the period of time before you posted your revision and the other is after you posted your revision.
In my previous post, I dealt with issues that are grave to me as in the first period of time and before that, my post was as if there was not a revision by you posted here.
But now I want to deal with the period of time after you posted your revision because of the consequences to Jews and others that could happen as I see could be into the future of this site as my vision that like you have a vision of what will be good for your community as a whole.
But before I do that, I would like for you to construct a page that all posters will come to first and then be directed to the forum by clicking that they have read the page. Something like:
An Explanation By Dr. Bob
Readers, be advised that from now on you could see anti-Semitic propaganda posted here without me or any deputy of mine intervening. This could lead to you being misled and/or confused because of you may not even know of the revision since I have not posted it in the FAQ. So I want to work with the community now to make up something to explain this. Please add your comments, if any, here before you go to the forum
Dr Bob
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 15, 2015, at 22:23:54
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Dr. Hsiung-~endrs » Lou Pilder, posted by justyourlaugh on December 2, 2004, at 7:52:07
> hummmm..
> this is "dr bob's" site.
> i thought it was a given everything posted was endorsed by him?
> or you get the boot..
> jj,
The perception that you have posted here shows that readers could be led to think that. If you could return to this thread and continue a discussion with me, I think that it could be good for this community as a whole.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 15, 2015, at 22:23:55
In reply to Lou's request to Mr. siung-suldrevize, posted by Lou Pilder on January 16, 2015, at 12:42:57
> > > > > > I would assume that if something is brought to Dr. Bob's attention and he does nothing that he thought it was not against the rules. But that doesn't mean he agrees with what was said.
> > > > >
> > > > > Right:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The only messages I take responsibility for are my own.
> > > >
> > > > I should revise that. I might consider something against the rules, yet decide not to intervene. I want to be free to use my judgment. If you would try to accept what I decide and to trust that I'm doing my best to be fair and to do what I think will be good for this community as a whole, I'd really appreciate it.
> > > >
> > > > Bob
> > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > You wrote he above. I am unsure as to what you are wanting others to think here by what you wrote. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> > > True or false:
> > > A. In posts where anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen that you did not intervene, you left the statement un intervened so that the community will be improved as a whole by not sanctioning the anti-Semitic propaganda.
> > > B. If so, you will post here what that improvement will be by you not intervening.
> > > C. If I was to intervene where the anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen, Lou, the community as a whole would suffer un improvement and be bad for the community for me to post an intervention.
> > > D. I agree, Lou, that by me not posting an intervention where anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen here, that a subset of readers could think that I and my deputies of record are validating the anti-Semitic hate.
> > > E. In that I say here, Lou, that I am doing my best to be fair here, a subset of readers could think that I am denying the Jews equal protection of my rules where anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen as supportive where it is originally posted, and a subset of readers could think that it is fair according to me, Lou, to leave anti-Semitic propaganda un intervened while intervening where anti-Christian propaganda is posted here.
> > > Lou Pilder
> >
> > Mr. Hsuing,
> > I have the following requests. If you could post answers here to the following, then I think that it could go a long way to prevent Jews from being victims of anti-Semitic violence and Islamic people and others that have in their faith that they can enter heaven without being a Christian as a result of any readers thinking that by seeing those type of statements posted here to be considered to be supportive by you as not being against your rules as standing.
> > By you now saying, "I should revise that.", this brings up grave concerns to me.
> > True or False:
> > The people that read the anti-Semitic propaganda here before you posted that you should revise that your policy was that if did not intervene it was not against your rules:
> > A. Could think that antisemitic statements are not against your rules and think that anti-Semitism is supportive by you.
> > B. Could think that anti-Semitic statements not intervened by you will be good for your community as a whole
> > C. Could act out violence toward Jews as thinking that a psychiatrist is validating hatred toward the Jews as it will be good for his community as a whole so it could also be good for their community as a whole.
> > D. People here that are taking mind-altering drugs that can make them easily influenced by what a psychiatrist writes as to what his thinking is, could be easily persuaded to commit violence and even murder of Jews as thinking that if anti-Semitism is considered to be supportive and not against your rules, then Jews could be thought to be inferior by you so they could think that you are the exemplar and {trust} you as you ask them to try to do and that you will appreciate it if they do.
> > E. I will post a whole page, Lou, so that the page is seen first to explain that anti-Semitic propaganda seen here as un intervened was considered not against my rules up to my revision, and the revision now means that anti-Semitic propaganda is still against my rules but I will allow some to be seen as supportive because I think that later the community will be improved by me allowing anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen un intervened and could be considered for readers to be validated or ratified by me and my deputies of record.
> > Lou Pilder
> >
> Mr. Hsuing,
> In regards tat you posted that you should revise that what can be seen un intervened is not against your rules here, this brings up two periods of time. One is the period of time before you posted your revision and the other is after you posted your revision.
> In my previous post, I dealt with issues that are grave to me as in the first period of time and before that, my post was as if there was not a revision by you posted here.
> But now I want to deal with the period of time after you posted your revision because of the consequences to Jews and others that could happen as I see could be into the future of this site as my vision that like you have a vision of what will be good for your community as a whole.
> But before I do that, I would like for you to construct a page that all posters will come to first and then be directed to the forum by clicking that they have read the page. Something like:
> An Explanation By Dr. Bob
> Readers, be advised that from now on you could see anti-Semitic propaganda posted here without me or any deputy of mine intervening. This could lead to you being misled and/or confused because of you may not even know of the revision since I have not posted it in the FAQ. So I want to work with the community now to make up something to explain this. Please add your comments, if any, here before you go to the forum
> Dr Bob
> Lou Pilder
>Mr. Hsuing,
I apologize for the posts content here as some of it could be incorrect and duplicated. This is all because of the different turns and twists that I am trying to sort out by your statement that says:
A. I should revise that. I might consider something that is brought to my attention that is against my rules and allow it to stand.
B. I may consider something against my rules and not intervene
C. I want readers to trust me in that I am doing my best to be fair
D. And to do what I think will be good for this community as a whole
E. I want to be free to use my judgment
These statements by you to me are of grave concern to me because of that readers could not know what this all entails because they may not know some of what you posted elsewhere which could then have multiple subsets of readers here.
For instance, there could be a subset of readers that see anti-Semitic propaganda here as supportive and will be good for this community as a whole. These readers could be those that never saw your revision.
Then there could be a subset of readers that saw your revision but do not understand what it could entail. Could it entail that you will now allow some anti-Semitic propaganda or insults to Islam to be seen as supportive because they also saw that you wrote that you do not wait to sanction uncivility because one match could start a forest fire? And another subset could think that statements objected by me still the same are considered by you to benefit the community later by not accepting my offer to you for the opportunity to open those posts in question and type in a repudiation to those statements tat could be interpreted as an insult to Judaism and Islam and other faiths? And many other subsets of here. This causes me to do over all of this so that the picture could be focused more clearly.
In order for me to do this, I would like any help from readers here as to what their understanding could be concerning that Mr. Hsiung has posted, "I should revise that."
A. Could it mean to you that antisemitic propaganda, could be thought to be good for this community as a whole in Mr. Hsiung's thinking, as being seen as supportive where there is not is tagline to please be civil because Mr. Hsiung says that being supportive takes precedence and that posters are to be civil at all times?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 15, 2015, at 22:23:56
In reply to Lou's apology-should revighz, posted by Lou Pilder on January 17, 2015, at 14:09:41
> > > > > > > I would assume that if something is brought to Dr. Bob's attention and he does nothing that he thought it was not against the rules. But that doesn't mean he agrees with what was said.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Right:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The only messages I take responsibility for are my own.
> > > > >
> > > > > I should revise that. I might consider something against the rules, yet decide not to intervene. I want to be free to use my judgment. If you would try to accept what I decide and to trust that I'm doing my best to be fair and to do what I think will be good for this community as a whole, I'd really appreciate it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob
> > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > You wrote he above. I am unsure as to what you are wanting others to think here by what you wrote. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> > > > True or false:
> > > > A. In posts where anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen that you did not intervene, you left the statement un intervened so that the community will be improved as a whole by not sanctioning the anti-Semitic propaganda.
> > > > B. If so, you will post here what that improvement will be by you not intervening.
> > > > C. If I was to intervene where the anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen, Lou, the community as a whole would suffer un improvement and be bad for the community for me to post an intervention.
> > > > D. I agree, Lou, that by me not posting an intervention where anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen here, that a subset of readers could think that I and my deputies of record are validating the anti-Semitic hate.
> > > > E. In that I say here, Lou, that I am doing my best to be fair here, a subset of readers could think that I am denying the Jews equal protection of my rules where anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen as supportive where it is originally posted, and a subset of readers could think that it is fair according to me, Lou, to leave anti-Semitic propaganda un intervened while intervening where anti-Christian propaganda is posted here.
> > > > Lou Pilder
> > >
> > > Mr. Hsuing,
> > > I have the following requests. If you could post answers here to the following, then I think that it could go a long way to prevent Jews from being victims of anti-Semitic violence and Islamic people and others that have in their faith that they can enter heaven without being a Christian as a result of any readers thinking that by seeing those type of statements posted here to be considered to be supportive by you as not being against your rules as standing.
> > > By you now saying, "I should revise that.", this brings up grave concerns to me.
> > > True or False:
> > > The people that read the anti-Semitic propaganda here before you posted that you should revise that your policy was that if did not intervene it was not against your rules:
> > > A. Could think that antisemitic statements are not against your rules and think that anti-Semitism is supportive by you.
> > > B. Could think that anti-Semitic statements not intervened by you will be good for your community as a whole
> > > C. Could act out violence toward Jews as thinking that a psychiatrist is validating hatred toward the Jews as it will be good for his community as a whole so it could also be good for their community as a whole.
> > > D. People here that are taking mind-altering drugs that can make them easily influenced by what a psychiatrist writes as to what his thinking is, could be easily persuaded to commit violence and even murder of Jews as thinking that if anti-Semitism is considered to be supportive and not against your rules, then Jews could be thought to be inferior by you so they could think that you are the exemplar and {trust} you as you ask them to try to do and that you will appreciate it if they do.
> > > E. I will post a whole page, Lou, so that the page is seen first to explain that anti-Semitic propaganda seen here as un intervened was considered not against my rules up to my revision, and the revision now means that anti-Semitic propaganda is still against my rules but I will allow some to be seen as supportive because I think that later the community will be improved by me allowing anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen un intervened and could be considered for readers to be validated or ratified by me and my deputies of record.
> > > Lou Pilder
> > >
> > Mr. Hsuing,
> > In regards tat you posted that you should revise that what can be seen un intervened is not against your rules here, this brings up two periods of time. One is the period of time before you posted your revision and the other is after you posted your revision.
> > In my previous post, I dealt with issues that are grave to me as in the first period of time and before that, my post was as if there was not a revision by you posted here.
> > But now I want to deal with the period of time after you posted your revision because of the consequences to Jews and others that could happen as I see could be into the future of this site as my vision that like you have a vision of what will be good for your community as a whole.
> > But before I do that, I would like for you to construct a page that all posters will come to first and then be directed to the forum by clicking that they have read the page. Something like:
> > An Explanation By Dr. Bob
> > Readers, be advised that from now on you could see anti-Semitic propaganda posted here without me or any deputy of mine intervening. This could lead to you being misled and/or confused because of you may not even know of the revision since I have not posted it in the FAQ. So I want to work with the community now to make up something to explain this. Please add your comments, if any, here before you go to the forum
> > Dr Bob
> > Lou Pilder
> >
>
> Mr. Hsuing,
> I apologize for the posts content here as some of it could be incorrect and duplicated. This is all because of the different turns and twists that I am trying to sort out by your statement that says:
> A. I should revise that. I might consider something that is brought to my attention that is against my rules and allow it to stand.
> B. I may consider something against my rules and not intervene
> C. I want readers to trust me in that I am doing my best to be fair
> D. And to do what I think will be good for this community as a whole
> E. I want to be free to use my judgment
> These statements by you to me are of grave concern to me because of that readers could not know what this all entails because they may not know some of what you posted elsewhere which could then have multiple subsets of readers here.
> For instance, there could be a subset of readers that see anti-Semitic propaganda here as supportive and will be good for this community as a whole. These readers could be those that never saw your revision.
> Then there could be a subset of readers that saw your revision but do not understand what it could entail. Could it entail that you will now allow some anti-Semitic propaganda or insults to Islam to be seen as supportive because they also saw that you wrote that you do not wait to sanction uncivility because one match could start a forest fire? And another subset could think that statements objected by me still the same are considered by you to benefit the community later by not accepting my offer to you for the opportunity to open those posts in question and type in a repudiation to those statements tat could be interpreted as an insult to Judaism and Islam and other faiths? And many other subsets of here. This causes me to do over all of this so that the picture could be focused more clearly.
> In order for me to do this, I would like any help from readers here as to what their understanding could be concerning that Mr. Hsiung has posted, "I should revise that."
> A. Could it mean to you that antisemitic propaganda, could be thought to be good for this community as a whole in Mr. Hsiung's thinking, as being seen as supportive where there is not is tagline to please be civil because Mr. Hsiung says that being supportive takes precedence and that posters are to be civil at all times?
> Lou
>
> Mr. Hsiung,
In trying to sort this out and at the same time to have clarification from you as to what you are wanting readers to think from that you wrote, "I should revise that", I now see some horrific outcomes that could play out from readers here not understanding what you are wanting to mean here. First, I would like to know where this revision is located, if it has been posted here by you. This is because that you said that you {*should* revise that}, a subset of readers could think that there is urgency for you to post something, somewhere here, with your revision so that readers could know of it besides what you have posted in your dialog just with me here, for not all readers could know of our dialog here.
In that you say that, "I might consider something against the rules, yet decide not to intervene" , if there was a revision posted by you in your FAQ, readers could IMHO have a better understanding of what you are wanting readers to think here by what you wrote. I would like to see you place in your TOS/FAQ this revision that you say that you *should* make. For as long as readers can not be informed as to what you are wanting readers to think by what you wrote, there could be many subsets of readers that could think in terms that your site could be a site to promulgate hate speech that is defined in different countries where your site could be accessed via the internet broadcast condoning anti-Semitic propaganda as being what will be good for your community as a whole in your thinking. This could put Jews in fear of being killed by anti-Semitic hate groups accessing what you wrote to think, IMHO, that they have a psychiatrist condoning anti-Semitic propaganda as that it will be good for his community as a whole for it to not be intervened by you.
I am asking that you immediately post where all readers could know of it, your *revision* in order that any fostering of hate that could be seen in your revision could be known so that Jews and others could counteract you and alert the police in other countries of what you are trying to promulgate here against the Jews, if your *revision* says anything that could be construed by a reasonable reader to mean that you will allow anti-Semitic propaganda to stand un repudiated because in your thinking that hate will be good for your community as a whole in your thinking. That is what a subset of readers now, as to your grammatical structure could be thought, to mean.
I would like the Homeland Security department to see this revision of yours now and make a determination as to if it is having the potential of sponsoring terror groups fodder to kill Jews. For as of now, your posting here could have the potential that posters could at least have the chance of posting anti-Semitic hate and it be allowed by you to stand un repudiated because in your thinking it will be good for your community as a whole. I do not think that any anti-Semitic propaganda allowed to be seen as good for your community as a whole in your thinking meets the goals of the forum as to be for support and be fair and be according to the Golden Rule according to your TOS here. Yet today, what you wrote in question here could give rise IMHO to the thinking to some readers that you have in mind to allow some anti-Semitic hate to be posted here without you intervening.
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 15, 2015, at 22:23:56
In reply to Lou's response-wyndzofheyt » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on January 16, 2015, at 7:38:00
> > It's my understanding that nothing on this site is "endorsed" by Dr. Bob, and that he takes responsibility only for his own words. If he finds something doesn't comply with site guidelines he takes admin action. But not taking admin action doesn't imply endorsement or approval. Admin action only says that something is in noncompliance. Leaving it up only means that no rules have been broken.
>
> Friends,
> The poster wrote,[...Leaving it up only means that no rules have been broken...].
> Now that perception indicated as being what it is by Dinah here, could be the perception of other readers also.
> LouFriends,
Now Mr. Hsiung writes here that he should revise that he agrees with Dinah that statements left to stand are not against his rules. What his statement could lead readers to think is:
A. After a revision, readers could not know if a statement is or is not against his rules because he states that he could leave uncivil and unsupportive statements un intervened because it will be good for his community as a whole in his thinking to do so.
B. With that type of revision, hate speech could flourish here, antisemitism could flourish here, racism could flourish here and a subset of readers could act out what they could think a psychiatrist is saying will be good for his community as a whole in his thinking by leaving anti-Semitic statements un intervened and think that it could be good for their community also. This could IMO result in violence and murder of Jews where hate groups that use Jews as scapegoats for their real or imagined ills exist.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 15, 2015, at 22:23:57
In reply to Lou's response to Dina's post-heytspeech, posted by Lou Pilder on January 19, 2015, at 5:39:36
> > > It's my understanding that nothing on this site is "endorsed" by Dr. Bob, and that he takes responsibility only for his own words. If he finds something doesn't comply with site guidelines he takes admin action. But not taking admin action doesn't imply endorsement or approval. Admin action only says that something is in noncompliance. Leaving it up only means that no rules have been broken.
> >
> > Friends,
> > The poster wrote,[...Leaving it up only means that no rules have been broken...].
> > Now that perception indicated as being what it is by Dinah here, could be the perception of other readers also.
> > Lou
>
> Friends,
> Now Mr. Hsiung writes here that he should revise that he agrees with Dinah that statements left to stand are not against his rules. What his statement could lead readers to think is:
> A. After a revision, readers could not know if a statement is or is not against his rules because he states that he could leave uncivil and unsupportive statements un intervened because it will be good for his community as a whole in his thinking to do so.
> B. With that type of revision, hate speech could flourish here, antisemitism could flourish here, racism could flourish here and a subset of readers could act out what they could think a psychiatrist is saying will be good for his community as a whole in his thinking by leaving anti-Semitic statements un intervened and think that it could be good for their community also. This could IMO result in violence and murder of Jews where hate groups that use Jews as scapegoats for their real or imagined ills exist.
> LouFriends,
If you are concerned here, I am requesting that you read trough the following posts and see how anti-Semitic hatred could be developed here by Mr. Hsiung by him not enforcing his own rules. He could change his rules, he could revise his rules, which could feed the ideology behind what is posted about the Jews here as being supportive and will be good for his community as a whole in his thinking.
Here is one such post in a series of posts where the poster is coached by Mr. Hsiung to follow a script that would allow hatred toward the Jews to be posted here with impunity.
Lou
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Posted by Lou Pilder on February 15, 2015, at 22:23:58
In reply to Lou's request-should revighz-where?, posted by Lou Pilder on January 18, 2015, at 9:15:59
> > > > > > > > I would assume that if something is brought to Dr. Bob's attention and he does nothing that he thought it was not against the rules. But that doesn't mean he agrees with what was said.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Right:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The only messages I take responsibility for are my own.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I should revise that. I might consider something against the rules, yet decide not to intervene. I want to be free to use my judgment. If you would try to accept what I decide and to trust that I'm doing my best to be fair and to do what I think will be good for this community as a whole, I'd really appreciate it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bob
> > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > You wrote he above. I am unsure as to what you are wanting others to think here by what you wrote. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> > > > > True or false:
> > > > > A. In posts where anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen that you did not intervene, you left the statement un intervened so that the community will be improved as a whole by not sanctioning the anti-Semitic propaganda.
> > > > > B. If so, you will post here what that improvement will be by you not intervening.
> > > > > C. If I was to intervene where the anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen, Lou, the community as a whole would suffer un improvement and be bad for the community for me to post an intervention.
> > > > > D. I agree, Lou, that by me not posting an intervention where anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen here, that a subset of readers could think that I and my deputies of record are validating the anti-Semitic hate.
> > > > > E. In that I say here, Lou, that I am doing my best to be fair here, a subset of readers could think that I am denying the Jews equal protection of my rules where anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen as supportive where it is originally posted, and a subset of readers could think that it is fair according to me, Lou, to leave anti-Semitic propaganda un intervened while intervening where anti-Christian propaganda is posted here.
> > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > >
> > > > Mr. Hsuing,
> > > > I have the following requests. If you could post answers here to the following, then I think that it could go a long way to prevent Jews from being victims of anti-Semitic violence and Islamic people and others that have in their faith that they can enter heaven without being a Christian as a result of any readers thinking that by seeing those type of statements posted here to be considered to be supportive by you as not being against your rules as standing.
> > > > By you now saying, "I should revise that.", this brings up grave concerns to me.
> > > > True or False:
> > > > The people that read the anti-Semitic propaganda here before you posted that you should revise that your policy was that if did not intervene it was not against your rules:
> > > > A. Could think that antisemitic statements are not against your rules and think that anti-Semitism is supportive by you.
> > > > B. Could think that anti-Semitic statements not intervened by you will be good for your community as a whole
> > > > C. Could act out violence toward Jews as thinking that a psychiatrist is validating hatred toward the Jews as it will be good for his community as a whole so it could also be good for their community as a whole.
> > > > D. People here that are taking mind-altering drugs that can make them easily influenced by what a psychiatrist writes as to what his thinking is, could be easily persuaded to commit violence and even murder of Jews as thinking that if anti-Semitism is considered to be supportive and not against your rules, then Jews could be thought to be inferior by you so they could think that you are the exemplar and {trust} you as you ask them to try to do and that you will appreciate it if they do.
> > > > E. I will post a whole page, Lou, so that the page is seen first to explain that anti-Semitic propaganda seen here as un intervened was considered not against my rules up to my revision, and the revision now means that anti-Semitic propaganda is still against my rules but I will allow some to be seen as supportive because I think that later the community will be improved by me allowing anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen un intervened and could be considered for readers to be validated or ratified by me and my deputies of record.
> > > > Lou Pilder
> > > >
> > > Mr. Hsuing,
> > > In regards tat you posted that you should revise that what can be seen un intervened is not against your rules here, this brings up two periods of time. One is the period of time before you posted your revision and the other is after you posted your revision.
> > > In my previous post, I dealt with issues that are grave to me as in the first period of time and before that, my post was as if there was not a revision by you posted here.
> > > But now I want to deal with the period of time after you posted your revision because of the consequences to Jews and others that could happen as I see could be into the future of this site as my vision that like you have a vision of what will be good for your community as a whole.
> > > But before I do that, I would like for you to construct a page that all posters will come to first and then be directed to the forum by clicking that they have read the page. Something like:
> > > An Explanation By Dr. Bob
> > > Readers, be advised that from now on you could see anti-Semitic propaganda posted here without me or any deputy of mine intervening. This could lead to you being misled and/or confused because of you may not even know of the revision since I have not posted it in the FAQ. So I want to work with the community now to make up something to explain this. Please add your comments, if any, here before you go to the forum
> > > Dr Bob
> > > Lou Pilder
> > >
> >
> > Mr. Hsuing,
> > I apologize for the posts content here as some of it could be incorrect and duplicated. This is all because of the different turns and twists that I am trying to sort out by your statement that says:
> > A. I should revise that. I might consider something that is brought to my attention that is against my rules and allow it to stand.
> > B. I may consider something against my rules and not intervene
> > C. I want readers to trust me in that I am doing my best to be fair
> > D. And to do what I think will be good for this community as a whole
> > E. I want to be free to use my judgment
> > These statements by you to me are of grave concern to me because of that readers could not know what this all entails because they may not know some of what you posted elsewhere which could then have multiple subsets of readers here.
> > For instance, there could be a subset of readers that see anti-Semitic propaganda here as supportive and will be good for this community as a whole. These readers could be those that never saw your revision.
> > Then there could be a subset of readers that saw your revision but do not understand what it could entail. Could it entail that you will now allow some anti-Semitic propaganda or insults to Islam to be seen as supportive because they also saw that you wrote that you do not wait to sanction uncivility because one match could start a forest fire? And another subset could think that statements objected by me still the same are considered by you to benefit the community later by not accepting my offer to you for the opportunity to open those posts in question and type in a repudiation to those statements tat could be interpreted as an insult to Judaism and Islam and other faiths? And many other subsets of here. This causes me to do over all of this so that the picture could be focused more clearly.
> > In order for me to do this, I would like any help from readers here as to what their understanding could be concerning that Mr. Hsiung has posted, "I should revise that."
> > A. Could it mean to you that antisemitic propaganda, could be thought to be good for this community as a whole in Mr. Hsiung's thinking, as being seen as supportive where there is not is tagline to please be civil because Mr. Hsiung says that being supportive takes precedence and that posters are to be civil at all times?
> > Lou
> >
> > Mr. Hsiung,
> In trying to sort this out and at the same time to have clarification from you as to what you are wanting readers to think from that you wrote, "I should revise that", I now see some horrific outcomes that could play out from readers here not understanding what you are wanting to mean here. First, I would like to know where this revision is located, if it has been posted here by you. This is because that you said that you {*should* revise that}, a subset of readers could think that there is urgency for you to post something, somewhere here, with your revision so that readers could know of it besides what you have posted in your dialog just with me here, for not all readers could know of our dialog here.
> In that you say that, "I might consider something against the rules, yet decide not to intervene" , if there was a revision posted by you in your FAQ, readers could IMHO have a better understanding of what you are wanting readers to think here by what you wrote. I would like to see you place in your TOS/FAQ this revision that you say that you *should* make. For as long as readers can not be informed as to what you are wanting readers to think by what you wrote, there could be many subsets of readers that could think in terms that your site could be a site to promulgate hate speech that is defined in different countries where your site could be accessed via the internet broadcast condoning anti-Semitic propaganda as being what will be good for your community as a whole in your thinking. This could put Jews in fear of being killed by anti-Semitic hate groups accessing what you wrote to think, IMHO, that they have a psychiatrist condoning anti-Semitic propaganda as that it will be good for his community as a whole for it to not be intervened by you.
> I am asking that you immediately post where all readers could know of it, your *revision* in order that any fostering of hate that could be seen in your revision could be known so that Jews and others could counteract you and alert the police in other countries of what you are trying to promulgate here against the Jews, if your *revision* says anything that could be construed by a reasonable reader to mean that you will allow anti-Semitic propaganda to stand un repudiated because in your thinking that hate will be good for your community as a whole in your thinking. That is what a subset of readers now, as to your grammatical structure could be thought, to mean.
> I would like the Homeland Security department to see this revision of yours now and make a determination as to if it is having the potential of sponsoring terror groups fodder to kill Jews. For as of now, your posting here could have the potential that posters could at least have the chance of posting anti-Semitic hate and it be allowed by you to stand un repudiated because in your thinking it will be good for your community as a whole. I do not think that any anti-Semitic propaganda allowed to be seen as good for your community as a whole in your thinking meets the goals of the forum as to be for support and be fair and be according to the Golden Rule according to your TOS here. Yet today, what you wrote in question here could give rise IMHO to the thinking to some readers that you have in mind to allow some anti-Semitic hate to be posted here without you intervening.
> Lou Pilder
>
> Mr. Hsuing,
Let there be no misunderstanding here. You have posted that your revision would allow readers to not know if a statement is considered by you to be supportive or not. You even state that you could leave an uncivil statement that is against your rules to be seen as supportive because in your thinking leaving the statement un intervened would be good for this community as a whole. This could mean that you could leave hate speech in the form of anti-Semitic propaganda un intervened as in your thinking it would be good for this community as a whole.
I feel disturbed by that. Research has shown the harm done to people that are targets of hate speech and I think that there is no place in a mental-health internet community for hate speech to be seen as supportive, or to even guess if it is. This research shows that the recipients of hate speech causes minorities to be categorized with negative attributes and cause direct physical and emotional changes and generate feelings of inferiority that could affect their hearts and minds in a way unlikely to ever be undone. Hate speech has been used by those that abuse their power to subordinate minorities.
Hate speech attacks a person or an identifiable group of people, such as Jews that insults them or their religion either by them being a member or by not being a member.
Here is one such statement by a poster here that you say is supportive on the basis that you say the statement is not against your rules. But your rule is to not post what could lead one to feel that their faith is being put down.
The statement insults Judaism by having in it a grammatical structure that could lead a subset of readers to think that the statement portrays Jews as inferior people as being unsaved and that if they convert to Christianity, they will be saved, but as being a Jew without doing the conversion, they are not saved. The statement could also imply that Islamic people belong to an inferior faith, for the grammatical structure of the statement to me as a Jew could also lead Islamic people to think that the statement insults their faith as being inferior to Christianity. And the statement could also be analogous to the other statement that I am objecting to here in,{No non-Christian will...}, which is analogous to ,{only Christians will...} which insults all faiths that have in their agenda that they can enter heaven without being a member of Christiandom.
Hate speech in other countries has its core definition to be speech that disparages the human dignity of another religion that as the potential to incite hatred as in that I am objecting to the link to Matt 27 being un intervened by you and your deputies of record for the contents of that chapter can incite hatred and violence and hostility toward Jews as the historical record shows as Jews being used as scapegoats as being justified by the verses that I am objecting to, even the commission of mass-murder.
Here is the link of the statement to me to convert to Christianity to be saved, which means that a subset of readers could think that the statement insults Judaism as allows for me to be deemed here as an inferior person which dehumanizes and stigmatizes me here as a Jew. By your own definition, an anti-Semitic statement is one that could lead a Jew to feel put down or a statement that puts down another's religion
Lou Pilder
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1055904.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 15, 2015, at 22:23:59
In reply to Lou's response to Mr. Hsiung-heytspeech, posted by Lou Pilder on January 19, 2015, at 9:04:31
> > > > > > > > > I would assume that if something is brought to Dr. Bob's attention and he does nothing that he thought it was not against the rules. But that doesn't mean he agrees with what was said.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Right:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The only messages I take responsibility for are my own.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I should revise that. I might consider something against the rules, yet decide not to intervene. I want to be free to use my judgment. If you would try to accept what I decide and to trust that I'm doing my best to be fair and to do what I think will be good for this community as a whole, I'd really appreciate it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bob
> > > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > > You wrote he above. I am unsure as to what you are wanting others to think here by what you wrote. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> > > > > > True or false:
> > > > > > A. In posts where anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen that you did not intervene, you left the statement un intervened so that the community will be improved as a whole by not sanctioning the anti-Semitic propaganda.
> > > > > > B. If so, you will post here what that improvement will be by you not intervening.
> > > > > > C. If I was to intervene where the anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen, Lou, the community as a whole would suffer un improvement and be bad for the community for me to post an intervention.
> > > > > > D. I agree, Lou, that by me not posting an intervention where anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen here, that a subset of readers could think that I and my deputies of record are validating the anti-Semitic hate.
> > > > > > E. In that I say here, Lou, that I am doing my best to be fair here, a subset of readers could think that I am denying the Jews equal protection of my rules where anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen as supportive where it is originally posted, and a subset of readers could think that it is fair according to me, Lou, to leave anti-Semitic propaganda un intervened while intervening where anti-Christian propaganda is posted here.
> > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr. Hsuing,
> > > > > I have the following requests. If you could post answers here to the following, then I think that it could go a long way to prevent Jews from being victims of anti-Semitic violence and Islamic people and others that have in their faith that they can enter heaven without being a Christian as a result of any readers thinking that by seeing those type of statements posted here to be considered to be supportive by you as not being against your rules as standing.
> > > > > By you now saying, "I should revise that.", this brings up grave concerns to me.
> > > > > True or False:
> > > > > The people that read the anti-Semitic propaganda here before you posted that you should revise that your policy was that if did not intervene it was not against your rules:
> > > > > A. Could think that antisemitic statements are not against your rules and think that anti-Semitism is supportive by you.
> > > > > B. Could think that anti-Semitic statements not intervened by you will be good for your community as a whole
> > > > > C. Could act out violence toward Jews as thinking that a psychiatrist is validating hatred toward the Jews as it will be good for his community as a whole so it could also be good for their community as a whole.
> > > > > D. People here that are taking mind-altering drugs that can make them easily influenced by what a psychiatrist writes as to what his thinking is, could be easily persuaded to commit violence and even murder of Jews as thinking that if anti-Semitism is considered to be supportive and not against your rules, then Jews could be thought to be inferior by you so they could think that you are the exemplar and {trust} you as you ask them to try to do and that you will appreciate it if they do.
> > > > > E. I will post a whole page, Lou, so that the page is seen first to explain that anti-Semitic propaganda seen here as un intervened was considered not against my rules up to my revision, and the revision now means that anti-Semitic propaganda is still against my rules but I will allow some to be seen as supportive because I think that later the community will be improved by me allowing anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen un intervened and could be considered for readers to be validated or ratified by me and my deputies of record.
> > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > >
> > > > Mr. Hsuing,
> > > > In regards tat you posted that you should revise that what can be seen un intervened is not against your rules here, this brings up two periods of time. One is the period of time before you posted your revision and the other is after you posted your revision.
> > > > In my previous post, I dealt with issues that are grave to me as in the first period of time and before that, my post was as if there was not a revision by you posted here.
> > > > But now I want to deal with the period of time after you posted your revision because of the consequences to Jews and others that could happen as I see could be into the future of this site as my vision that like you have a vision of what will be good for your community as a whole.
> > > > But before I do that, I would like for you to construct a page that all posters will come to first and then be directed to the forum by clicking that they have read the page. Something like:
> > > > An Explanation By Dr. Bob
> > > > Readers, be advised that from now on you could see anti-Semitic propaganda posted here without me or any deputy of mine intervening. This could lead to you being misled and/or confused because of you may not even know of the revision since I have not posted it in the FAQ. So I want to work with the community now to make up something to explain this. Please add your comments, if any, here before you go to the forum
> > > > Dr Bob
> > > > Lou Pilder
> > > >
> > >
> > > Mr. Hsuing,
> > > I apologize for the posts content here as some of it could be incorrect and duplicated. This is all because of the different turns and twists that I am trying to sort out by your statement that says:
> > > A. I should revise that. I might consider something that is brought to my attention that is against my rules and allow it to stand.
> > > B. I may consider something against my rules and not intervene
> > > C. I want readers to trust me in that I am doing my best to be fair
> > > D. And to do what I think will be good for this community as a whole
> > > E. I want to be free to use my judgment
> > > These statements by you to me are of grave concern to me because of that readers could not know what this all entails because they may not know some of what you posted elsewhere which could then have multiple subsets of readers here.
> > > For instance, there could be a subset of readers that see anti-Semitic propaganda here as supportive and will be good for this community as a whole. These readers could be those that never saw your revision.
> > > Then there could be a subset of readers that saw your revision but do not understand what it could entail. Could it entail that you will now allow some anti-Semitic propaganda or insults to Islam to be seen as supportive because they also saw that you wrote that you do not wait to sanction uncivility because one match could start a forest fire? And another subset could think that statements objected by me still the same are considered by you to benefit the community later by not accepting my offer to you for the opportunity to open those posts in question and type in a repudiation to those statements tat could be interpreted as an insult to Judaism and Islam and other faiths? And many other subsets of here. This causes me to do over all of this so that the picture could be focused more clearly.
> > > In order for me to do this, I would like any help from readers here as to what their understanding could be concerning that Mr. Hsiung has posted, "I should revise that."
> > > A. Could it mean to you that antisemitic propaganda, could be thought to be good for this community as a whole in Mr. Hsiung's thinking, as being seen as supportive where there is not is tagline to please be civil because Mr. Hsiung says that being supportive takes precedence and that posters are to be civil at all times?
> > > Lou
> > >
> > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > In trying to sort this out and at the same time to have clarification from you as to what you are wanting readers to think from that you wrote, "I should revise that", I now see some horrific outcomes that could play out from readers here not understanding what you are wanting to mean here. First, I would like to know where this revision is located, if it has been posted here by you. This is because that you said that you {*should* revise that}, a subset of readers could think that there is urgency for you to post something, somewhere here, with your revision so that readers could know of it besides what you have posted in your dialog just with me here, for not all readers could know of our dialog here.
> > In that you say that, "I might consider something against the rules, yet decide not to intervene" , if there was a revision posted by you in your FAQ, readers could IMHO have a better understanding of what you are wanting readers to think here by what you wrote. I would like to see you place in your TOS/FAQ this revision that you say that you *should* make. For as long as readers can not be informed as to what you are wanting readers to think by what you wrote, there could be many subsets of readers that could think in terms that your site could be a site to promulgate hate speech that is defined in different countries where your site could be accessed via the internet broadcast condoning anti-Semitic propaganda as being what will be good for your community as a whole in your thinking. This could put Jews in fear of being killed by anti-Semitic hate groups accessing what you wrote to think, IMHO, that they have a psychiatrist condoning anti-Semitic propaganda as that it will be good for his community as a whole for it to not be intervened by you.
> > I am asking that you immediately post where all readers could know of it, your *revision* in order that any fostering of hate that could be seen in your revision could be known so that Jews and others could counteract you and alert the police in other countries of what you are trying to promulgate here against the Jews, if your *revision* says anything that could be construed by a reasonable reader to mean that you will allow anti-Semitic propaganda to stand un repudiated because in your thinking that hate will be good for your community as a whole in your thinking. That is what a subset of readers now, as to your grammatical structure could be thought, to mean.
> > I would like the Homeland Security department to see this revision of yours now and make a determination as to if it is having the potential of sponsoring terror groups fodder to kill Jews. For as of now, your posting here could have the potential that posters could at least have the chance of posting anti-Semitic hate and it be allowed by you to stand un repudiated because in your thinking it will be good for your community as a whole. I do not think that any anti-Semitic propaganda allowed to be seen as good for your community as a whole in your thinking meets the goals of the forum as to be for support and be fair and be according to the Golden Rule according to your TOS here. Yet today, what you wrote in question here could give rise IMHO to the thinking to some readers that you have in mind to allow some anti-Semitic hate to be posted here without you intervening.
> > Lou Pilder
> >
> > Mr. Hsuing,
> Let there be no misunderstanding here. You have posted that your revision would allow readers to not know if a statement is considered by you to be supportive or not. You even state that you could leave an uncivil statement that is against your rules to be seen as supportive because in your thinking leaving the statement un intervened would be good for this community as a whole. This could mean that you could leave hate speech in the form of anti-Semitic propaganda un intervened as in your thinking it would be good for this community as a whole.
> I feel disturbed by that. Research has shown the harm done to people that are targets of hate speech and I think that there is no place in a mental-health internet community for hate speech to be seen as supportive, or to even guess if it is. This research shows that the recipients of hate speech causes minorities to be categorized with negative attributes and cause direct physical and emotional changes and generate feelings of inferiority that could affect their hearts and minds in a way unlikely to ever be undone. Hate speech has been used by those that abuse their power to subordinate minorities.
> Hate speech attacks a person or an identifiable group of people, such as Jews that insults them or their religion either by them being a member or by not being a member.
> Here is one such statement by a poster here that you say is supportive on the basis that you say the statement is not against your rules. But your rule is to not post what could lead one to feel that their faith is being put down.
> The statement insults Judaism by having in it a grammatical structure that could lead a subset of readers to think that the statement portrays Jews as inferior people as being unsaved and that if they convert to Christianity, they will be saved, but as being a Jew without doing the conversion, they are not saved. The statement could also imply that Islamic people belong to an inferior faith, for the grammatical structure of the statement to me as a Jew could also lead Islamic people to think that the statement insults their faith as being inferior to Christianity. And the statement could also be analogous to the other statement that I am objecting to here in,{No non-Christian will...}, which is analogous to ,{only Christians will...} which insults all faiths that have in their agenda that they can enter heaven without being a member of Christiandom.
> Hate speech in other countries has its core definition to be speech that disparages the human dignity of another religion that as the potential to incite hatred as in that I am objecting to the link to Matt 27 being un intervened by you and your deputies of record for the contents of that chapter can incite hatred and violence and hostility toward Jews as the historical record shows as Jews being used as scapegoats as being justified by the verses that I am objecting to, even the commission of mass-murder.
> Here is the link of the statement to me to convert to Christianity to be saved, which means that a subset of readers could think that the statement insults Judaism as allows for me to be deemed here as an inferior person which dehumanizes and stigmatizes me here as a Jew. By your own definition, an anti-Semitic statement is one that could lead a Jew to feel put down or a statement that puts down another's religion
> Lou Pilder
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1055904.html
>
>
Mr. Hsiung,
You wrote here that what you wrote is something that you *should* revise because what is seen you said if it was not addressed by you then it was considered to be not against your rules. You now want to revise that because you could leave something un addressed that is against your rules because in your thinking it will be good for this community as a whole to leave, let's say, anti-Semitic propaganda un addressed by you. But I find a twisted road here that I can not follow, I do not know which way to turn here because I do not know what you mean by {I should revise that} because you could mean different things by that such as if you are saying that you were wrong to begin with or that you are starting a new TOS and I think that others could also be misled by what you have now posted because if you did not mean what you wrote and you *should* revise it, how could readers know if you do not mean what you wrote about other issues involving what could cause them to trust you and what you want them to trust you on will not be good for the community as a whole. Would not a great body of your TOS here now also have to be revised in order to accommodate your revision that you say you *should* do? Would you now have to revise that you have stated that being supportive takes precedence and that posters are to be civil at all times and that you do not wait to sanction a post because one match could start a forest fire by revising your FAQ in particular your enforcement clause? And that posters are not to post {anything} that could lead a reader to feel put down or accused? Or not to post what could be insensitive?
And you want readers to trust you? could not a good and just revision be worded something like:
[...Readers, do not trust what I write here to be what I mean, for I can revise at my will whenever I want to any part of my TOS here. This may mean that some readers could feel deceived...]
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 15, 2015, at 22:24:00
In reply to Lou's response to Dina's post-coechheyt, posted by Lou Pilder on January 19, 2015, at 6:02:50
> > > > It's my understanding that nothing on this site is "endorsed" by Dr. Bob, and that he takes responsibility only for his own words. If he finds something doesn't comply with site guidelines he takes admin action. But not taking admin action doesn't imply endorsement or approval. Admin action only says that something is in noncompliance. Leaving it up only means that no rules have been broken.
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > The poster wrote,[...Leaving it up only means that no rules have been broken...].
> > > Now that perception indicated as being what it is by Dinah here, could be the perception of other readers also.
> > > Lou
> >
> > Friends,
> > Now Mr. Hsiung writes here that he should revise that he agrees with Dinah that statements left to stand are not against his rules. What his statement could lead readers to think is:
> > A. After a revision, readers could not know if a statement is or is not against his rules because he states that he could leave uncivil and unsupportive statements un intervened because it will be good for his community as a whole in his thinking to do so.
> > B. With that type of revision, hate speech could flourish here, antisemitism could flourish here, racism could flourish here and a subset of readers could act out what they could think a psychiatrist is saying will be good for his community as a whole in his thinking by leaving anti-Semitic statements un intervened and think that it could be good for their community also. This could IMO result in violence and murder of Jews where hate groups that use Jews as scapegoats for their real or imagined ills exist.
> > Lou
>
> Friends,
> If you are concerned here, I am requesting that you read trough the following posts and see how anti-Semitic hatred could be developed here by Mr. Hsiung by him not enforcing his own rules. He could change his rules, he could revise his rules, which could feed the ideology behind what is posted about the Jews here as being supportive and will be good for his community as a whole in his thinking.
> Here is one such post in a series of posts where the poster is coached by Mr. Hsiung to follow a script that would allow hatred toward the Jews to be posted here with impunity.
> Lou
> [ admin, 428781 ]Friends,
Mr. Hsuing says that he should revise his statement that he agrees that leaving a post up sows that no rule of is has been broken. Tis , unless clarified by Mr. Hsiung, IMHO could cause irreparable harm to a subset of people. Tis is because of the different ways readers could understand what he is intending to mean by that he should revise his policy that readers could be led to believe as by taking Mr. Hsiung at his word. But it is much more than that. For anti-Semitic propaganda is {left up} as Dinah uses which could mean un repudiated by Mr. Hsuing, without his tagline to please be civil where the anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen as supportive and will be in Mr. Hsiung's thinking to be good for this community as a whole sometime in the future. This could IMHHO create a community of acceptance for hatred toward the Jews, socially acceptable, creating a foundation for real-world hate and violence toward Jews. Let me show you how this is done.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 15, 2015, at 22:24:01
In reply to Lou's response to Dinah's post-accphey, posted by Lou Pilder on January 21, 2015, at 14:50:10
> > > > > It's my understanding that nothing on this site is "endorsed" by Dr. Bob, and that he takes responsibility only for his own words. If he finds something doesn't comply with site guidelines he takes admin action. But not taking admin action doesn't imply endorsement or approval. Admin action only says that something is in noncompliance. Leaving it up only means that no rules have been broken.
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > The poster wrote,[...Leaving it up only means that no rules have been broken...].
> > > > Now that perception indicated as being what it is by Dinah here, could be the perception of other readers also.
> > > > Lou
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > Now Mr. Hsiung writes here that he should revise that he agrees with Dinah that statements left to stand are not against his rules. What his statement could lead readers to think is:
> > > A. After a revision, readers could not know if a statement is or is not against his rules because he states that he could leave uncivil and unsupportive statements un intervened because it will be good for his community as a whole in his thinking to do so.
> > > B. With that type of revision, hate speech could flourish here, antisemitism could flourish here, racism could flourish here and a subset of readers could act out what they could think a psychiatrist is saying will be good for his community as a whole in his thinking by leaving anti-Semitic statements un intervened and think that it could be good for their community also. This could IMO result in violence and murder of Jews where hate groups that use Jews as scapegoats for their real or imagined ills exist.
> > > Lou
> >
> > Friends,
> > If you are concerned here, I am requesting that you read trough the following posts and see how anti-Semitic hatred could be developed here by Mr. Hsiung by him not enforcing his own rules. He could change his rules, he could revise his rules, which could feed the ideology behind what is posted about the Jews here as being supportive and will be good for his community as a whole in his thinking.
> > Here is one such post in a series of posts where the poster is coached by Mr. Hsiung to follow a script that would allow hatred toward the Jews to be posted here with impunity.
> > Lou
> > [ admin, 428781 ]
>
> Friends,
> Mr. Hsuing says that he should revise his statement that he agrees that leaving a post up sows that no rule of is has been broken. Tis , unless clarified by Mr. Hsiung, IMHO could cause irreparable harm to a subset of people. Tis is because of the different ways readers could understand what he is intending to mean by that he should revise his policy that readers could be led to believe as by taking Mr. Hsiung at his word. But it is much more than that. For anti-Semitic propaganda is {left up} as Dinah uses which could mean un repudiated by Mr. Hsuing, without his tagline to please be civil where the anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen as supportive and will be in Mr. Hsiung's thinking to be good for this community as a whole sometime in the future. This could IMHHO create a community of acceptance for hatred toward the Jews, socially acceptable, creating a foundation for real-world hate and violence toward Jews. Let me show you how this is done.
> LouFriends,
The tactics used to arouse hatred toward the Jews is not new. It is an old script, followed today to create a climate of hatred , suspicion and indifference by boycotting that can recruit young people using the power of propaganda to spread lies about the Jews and making Jews to be thought as outcasts to be shunned.
Let us look at this video of this old tactic.
Lou
[ youtube, kCTk2N_iUF0 ] the last character is a zero, not te letter "O"
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 15, 2015, at 22:45:58
In reply to Lou's response to Mr. Hsiung-heytspeech, posted by Lou Pilder on February 15, 2015, at 22:23:58
> A. readers could not know if a statement is or is not against his rules because he states that he could leave uncivil and unsupportive statements un intervened because it will be good for his community as a whole in his thinking to do so.
True.
> B. With that type of revision, hate speech could flourish here, antisemitism could flourish here, racism could flourish here and a subset of readers could act out what they could think a psychiatrist is saying will be good for his community as a whole in his thinking by leaving anti-Semitic statements un intervened and think that it could be good for their community also. This could IMO result in violence and murder of Jews where hate groups that use Jews as scapegoats for their real or imagined ills exist.
It could, but I consider those outcomes to be unlikely.
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> Hate speech attacks a person or an identifiable group of people, such as Jews that insults them or their religion either by them being a member or by not being a member.
>
> Here is one such statement by a poster here that you say is supportive on the basis that you say the statement is not against your rules. But your rule is to not post what could lead one to feel that their faith is being put down.
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1055904.htmlWe discussed this before:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20131217/msgs/1060220.html
I don't consider that hate speech. But I don't consider it supportive, either.
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 17, 2015, at 8:36:46
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on February 15, 2015, at 22:45:58
> > A. readers could not know if a statement is or is not against his rules because he states that he could leave uncivil and unsupportive statements un intervened because it will be good for his community as a whole in his thinking to do so.
>
> True.
>
> > B. With that type of revision, hate speech could flourish here, antisemitism could flourish here, racism could flourish here and a subset of readers could act out what they could think a psychiatrist is saying will be good for his community as a whole in his thinking by leaving anti-Semitic statements un intervened and think that it could be good for their community also. This could IMO result in violence and murder of Jews where hate groups that use Jews as scapegoats for their real or imagined ills exist.
>
> It could, but I consider those outcomes to be unlikely.
>
> --
>
> > Hate speech attacks a person or an identifiable group of people, such as Jews that insults them or their religion either by them being a member or by not being a member.
> >
> > Here is one such statement by a poster here that you say is supportive on the basis that you say the statement is not against your rules. But your rule is to not post what could lead one to feel that their faith is being put down.
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1055904.html
>
> We discussed this before:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20131217/msgs/1060220.html
>
> I don't consider that hate speech. But I don't consider it supportive, either.
>
> Bob
>
Mr. Hsiung,
You wrote,[...But I don't consider it supportive...].
But readers could think that you consider it supportive on the basis that they could have read that you posted here that support takes precedence and members are to be civil at all times and that you do not wait to sanction since one match could start a forest fire. And if those readers also saw that you posted that you should revise what you said, there is no change in your TOS/FAQ for readers to know what the revision is. And anyway, the post could have been posted before you posted that you should revise what you have posted here about how you enforce your rules.
I am asking for you to open that post and type right down in the post something like:
Owner's note:
Be advised that I do not consider the statement about Jews that readers could think that Jews need to convert to Christianity to be saved to be supportive here. And my remark that Christians convert to Judaism a lot as much as Jews converting to Christianity is not factual and not relevant as to if the statement in question is supportive or not, which you may consider to be that I have used the tactic of evasion here. I am sorry if you could feel misled here and think that I am not neutral in respect to allowing statements that are unsupportive concerning Judaism to be seen as supportive here or that I am denying Lou, the Jewish member here, equal protection of my rules..
If you think that I am doing this to create and develop anti-Semitic hate here, or to inflict emotional distress upon Jews, you could write to The American Psychiatric Association at {give contact information here}.
Lou PIlder
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