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Lou's response to Mr. Hsiung-truzmedu

Posted by Lou Pilder on January 21, 2015, at 10:48:37 [reposted on February 15, 2015, at 22:23:59 | original URL]

In reply to Lou's response to Mr. Hsiung-heytspeech, posted by Lou Pilder on January 19, 2015, at 9:04:31

> > > > > > > > > I would assume that if something is brought to Dr. Bob's attention and he does nothing that he thought it was not against the rules. But that doesn't mean he agrees with what was said.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Right:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The only messages I take responsibility for are my own.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I should revise that. I might consider something against the rules, yet decide not to intervene. I want to be free to use my judgment. If you would try to accept what I decide and to trust that I'm doing my best to be fair and to do what I think will be good for this community as a whole, I'd really appreciate it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bob
> > > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > > You wrote he above. I am unsure as to what you are wanting others to think here by what you wrote. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> > > > > > True or false:
> > > > > > A. In posts where anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen that you did not intervene, you left the statement un intervened so that the community will be improved as a whole by not sanctioning the anti-Semitic propaganda.
> > > > > > B. If so, you will post here what that improvement will be by you not intervening.
> > > > > > C. If I was to intervene where the anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen, Lou, the community as a whole would suffer un improvement and be bad for the community for me to post an intervention.
> > > > > > D. I agree, Lou, that by me not posting an intervention where anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen here, that a subset of readers could think that I and my deputies of record are validating the anti-Semitic hate.
> > > > > > E. In that I say here, Lou, that I am doing my best to be fair here, a subset of readers could think that I am denying the Jews equal protection of my rules where anti-Semitic propaganda can be seen as supportive where it is originally posted, and a subset of readers could think that it is fair according to me, Lou, to leave anti-Semitic propaganda un intervened while intervening where anti-Christian propaganda is posted here.
> > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr. Hsuing,
> > > > > I have the following requests. If you could post answers here to the following, then I think that it could go a long way to prevent Jews from being victims of anti-Semitic violence and Islamic people and others that have in their faith that they can enter heaven without being a Christian as a result of any readers thinking that by seeing those type of statements posted here to be considered to be supportive by you as not being against your rules as standing.
> > > > > By you now saying, "I should revise that.", this brings up grave concerns to me.
> > > > > True or False:
> > > > > The people that read the anti-Semitic propaganda here before you posted that you should revise that your policy was that if did not intervene it was not against your rules:
> > > > > A. Could think that antisemitic statements are not against your rules and think that anti-Semitism is supportive by you.
> > > > > B. Could think that anti-Semitic statements not intervened by you will be good for your community as a whole
> > > > > C. Could act out violence toward Jews as thinking that a psychiatrist is validating hatred toward the Jews as it will be good for his community as a whole so it could also be good for their community as a whole.
> > > > > D. People here that are taking mind-altering drugs that can make them easily influenced by what a psychiatrist writes as to what his thinking is, could be easily persuaded to commit violence and even murder of Jews as thinking that if anti-Semitism is considered to be supportive and not against your rules, then Jews could be thought to be inferior by you so they could think that you are the exemplar and {trust} you as you ask them to try to do and that you will appreciate it if they do.
> > > > > E. I will post a whole page, Lou, so that the page is seen first to explain that anti-Semitic propaganda seen here as un intervened was considered not against my rules up to my revision, and the revision now means that anti-Semitic propaganda is still against my rules but I will allow some to be seen as supportive because I think that later the community will be improved by me allowing anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen un intervened and could be considered for readers to be validated or ratified by me and my deputies of record.
> > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > >
> > > > Mr. Hsuing,
> > > > In regards tat you posted that you should revise that what can be seen un intervened is not against your rules here, this brings up two periods of time. One is the period of time before you posted your revision and the other is after you posted your revision.
> > > > In my previous post, I dealt with issues that are grave to me as in the first period of time and before that, my post was as if there was not a revision by you posted here.
> > > > But now I want to deal with the period of time after you posted your revision because of the consequences to Jews and others that could happen as I see could be into the future of this site as my vision that like you have a vision of what will be good for your community as a whole.
> > > > But before I do that, I would like for you to construct a page that all posters will come to first and then be directed to the forum by clicking that they have read the page. Something like:
> > > > An Explanation By Dr. Bob
> > > > Readers, be advised that from now on you could see anti-Semitic propaganda posted here without me or any deputy of mine intervening. This could lead to you being misled and/or confused because of you may not even know of the revision since I have not posted it in the FAQ. So I want to work with the community now to make up something to explain this. Please add your comments, if any, here before you go to the forum
> > > > Dr Bob
> > > > Lou Pilder
> > > >
> > >
> > > Mr. Hsuing,
> > > I apologize for the posts content here as some of it could be incorrect and duplicated. This is all because of the different turns and twists that I am trying to sort out by your statement that says:
> > > A. I should revise that. I might consider something that is brought to my attention that is against my rules and allow it to stand.
> > > B. I may consider something against my rules and not intervene
> > > C. I want readers to trust me in that I am doing my best to be fair
> > > D. And to do what I think will be good for this community as a whole
> > > E. I want to be free to use my judgment
> > > These statements by you to me are of grave concern to me because of that readers could not know what this all entails because they may not know some of what you posted elsewhere which could then have multiple subsets of readers here.
> > > For instance, there could be a subset of readers that see anti-Semitic propaganda here as supportive and will be good for this community as a whole. These readers could be those that never saw your revision.
> > > Then there could be a subset of readers that saw your revision but do not understand what it could entail. Could it entail that you will now allow some anti-Semitic propaganda or insults to Islam to be seen as supportive because they also saw that you wrote that you do not wait to sanction uncivility because one match could start a forest fire? And another subset could think that statements objected by me still the same are considered by you to benefit the community later by not accepting my offer to you for the opportunity to open those posts in question and type in a repudiation to those statements tat could be interpreted as an insult to Judaism and Islam and other faiths? And many other subsets of here. This causes me to do over all of this so that the picture could be focused more clearly.
> > > In order for me to do this, I would like any help from readers here as to what their understanding could be concerning that Mr. Hsiung has posted, "I should revise that."
> > > A. Could it mean to you that antisemitic propaganda, could be thought to be good for this community as a whole in Mr. Hsiung's thinking, as being seen as supportive where there is not is tagline to please be civil because Mr. Hsiung says that being supportive takes precedence and that posters are to be civil at all times?
> > > Lou
> > >
> > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > In trying to sort this out and at the same time to have clarification from you as to what you are wanting readers to think from that you wrote, "I should revise that", I now see some horrific outcomes that could play out from readers here not understanding what you are wanting to mean here. First, I would like to know where this revision is located, if it has been posted here by you. This is because that you said that you {*should* revise that}, a subset of readers could think that there is urgency for you to post something, somewhere here, with your revision so that readers could know of it besides what you have posted in your dialog just with me here, for not all readers could know of our dialog here.
> > In that you say that, "I might consider something against the rules, yet decide not to intervene" , if there was a revision posted by you in your FAQ, readers could IMHO have a better understanding of what you are wanting readers to think here by what you wrote. I would like to see you place in your TOS/FAQ this revision that you say that you *should* make. For as long as readers can not be informed as to what you are wanting readers to think by what you wrote, there could be many subsets of readers that could think in terms that your site could be a site to promulgate hate speech that is defined in different countries where your site could be accessed via the internet broadcast condoning anti-Semitic propaganda as being what will be good for your community as a whole in your thinking. This could put Jews in fear of being killed by anti-Semitic hate groups accessing what you wrote to think, IMHO, that they have a psychiatrist condoning anti-Semitic propaganda as that it will be good for his community as a whole for it to not be intervened by you.
> > I am asking that you immediately post where all readers could know of it, your *revision* in order that any fostering of hate that could be seen in your revision could be known so that Jews and others could counteract you and alert the police in other countries of what you are trying to promulgate here against the Jews, if your *revision* says anything that could be construed by a reasonable reader to mean that you will allow anti-Semitic propaganda to stand un repudiated because in your thinking that hate will be good for your community as a whole in your thinking. That is what a subset of readers now, as to your grammatical structure could be thought, to mean.
> > I would like the Homeland Security department to see this revision of yours now and make a determination as to if it is having the potential of sponsoring terror groups fodder to kill Jews. For as of now, your posting here could have the potential that posters could at least have the chance of posting anti-Semitic hate and it be allowed by you to stand un repudiated because in your thinking it will be good for your community as a whole. I do not think that any anti-Semitic propaganda allowed to be seen as good for your community as a whole in your thinking meets the goals of the forum as to be for support and be fair and be according to the Golden Rule according to your TOS here. Yet today, what you wrote in question here could give rise IMHO to the thinking to some readers that you have in mind to allow some anti-Semitic hate to be posted here without you intervening.
> > Lou Pilder
> >
> > Mr. Hsuing,
> Let there be no misunderstanding here. You have posted that your revision would allow readers to not know if a statement is considered by you to be supportive or not. You even state that you could leave an uncivil statement that is against your rules to be seen as supportive because in your thinking leaving the statement un intervened would be good for this community as a whole. This could mean that you could leave hate speech in the form of anti-Semitic propaganda un intervened as in your thinking it would be good for this community as a whole.
> I feel disturbed by that. Research has shown the harm done to people that are targets of hate speech and I think that there is no place in a mental-health internet community for hate speech to be seen as supportive, or to even guess if it is. This research shows that the recipients of hate speech causes minorities to be categorized with negative attributes and cause direct physical and emotional changes and generate feelings of inferiority that could affect their hearts and minds in a way unlikely to ever be undone. Hate speech has been used by those that abuse their power to subordinate minorities.
> Hate speech attacks a person or an identifiable group of people, such as Jews that insults them or their religion either by them being a member or by not being a member.
> Here is one such statement by a poster here that you say is supportive on the basis that you say the statement is not against your rules. But your rule is to not post what could lead one to feel that their faith is being put down.
> The statement insults Judaism by having in it a grammatical structure that could lead a subset of readers to think that the statement portrays Jews as inferior people as being unsaved and that if they convert to Christianity, they will be saved, but as being a Jew without doing the conversion, they are not saved. The statement could also imply that Islamic people belong to an inferior faith, for the grammatical structure of the statement to me as a Jew could also lead Islamic people to think that the statement insults their faith as being inferior to Christianity. And the statement could also be analogous to the other statement that I am objecting to here in,{No non-Christian will...}, which is analogous to ,{only Christians will...} which insults all faiths that have in their agenda that they can enter heaven without being a member of Christiandom.
> Hate speech in other countries has its core definition to be speech that disparages the human dignity of another religion that as the potential to incite hatred as in that I am objecting to the link to Matt 27 being un intervened by you and your deputies of record for the contents of that chapter can incite hatred and violence and hostility toward Jews as the historical record shows as Jews being used as scapegoats as being justified by the verses that I am objecting to, even the commission of mass-murder.
> Here is the link of the statement to me to convert to Christianity to be saved, which means that a subset of readers could think that the statement insults Judaism as allows for me to be deemed here as an inferior person which dehumanizes and stigmatizes me here as a Jew. By your own definition, an anti-Semitic statement is one that could lead a Jew to feel put down or a statement that puts down another's religion
> Lou Pilder
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1055904.html
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Mr. Hsiung,
You wrote here that what you wrote is something that you *should* revise because what is seen you said if it was not addressed by you then it was considered to be not against your rules. You now want to revise that because you could leave something un addressed that is against your rules because in your thinking it will be good for this community as a whole to leave, let's say, anti-Semitic propaganda un addressed by you. But I find a twisted road here that I can not follow, I do not know which way to turn here because I do not know what you mean by {I should revise that} because you could mean different things by that such as if you are saying that you were wrong to begin with or that you are starting a new TOS and I think that others could also be misled by what you have now posted because if you did not mean what you wrote and you *should* revise it, how could readers know if you do not mean what you wrote about other issues involving what could cause them to trust you and what you want them to trust you on will not be good for the community as a whole. Would not a great body of your TOS here now also have to be revised in order to accommodate your revision that you say you *should* do? Would you now have to revise that you have stated that being supportive takes precedence and that posters are to be civil at all times and that you do not wait to sanction a post because one match could start a forest fire by revising your FAQ in particular your enforcement clause? And that posters are not to post {anything} that could lead a reader to feel put down or accused? Or not to post what could be insensitive?
And you want readers to trust you? could not a good and just revision be worded something like:
[...Readers, do not trust what I write here to be what I mean, for I can revise at my will whenever I want to any part of my TOS here. This may mean that some readers could feel deceived...]
Lou Pilder

 

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