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Posted by Lou Pilder on January 3, 2014, at 20:31:57
In reply to Not wonderful Not accomodating » Lou Pilder, posted by HomelyCygnet on January 3, 2014, at 17:58:58
> I do not believe calling people disturbed or nuts makes anyone a wonderful poster. Dinah may of course have many other fine and useful qualities.
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> I have not seen any administrative policies broken to accommodate you. Quite the opposite. I believe you have been given restrictions that do not apply to other posters and that Bob has permitted years of abusive posts toward you by other posters. He has changed administrative policies in ways that disadvantage you. For example the years of refusing to take action on your posts and allowing this sort of public debate about your civility.
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> > > > We have lost so many wonderful posters -Dinah most definitely among them.It's easy to say you're sorry she's no longer here, but I think the loss could have been easily avoided if she had been given appropriate recognition and respect by you for the important role she played in trying to help carry out your administrative policies. The last series of posts before she blocked herself seemed to me to be completely lacking in appreciation and respect for her and the other deputies, all of whom appear to have been extremely hurt and disillusioned by your interactions with them - all while you were focussing almost entirely on Lou, and breaking your own long-standing administrative policies in order to accommodate him alone.
> > > Twinleaf,
> > > You wrote,[...wonderful posters-Dinah...breaking your own longstanding administrative policies (to accommodate Lou)...]
> > > If you could post answers to the following, I could respond accordingly.
> > > True or False:
> > > A. The following post by Dinah makes her a wonderful poster.
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/psycho/20131211/msgs/1055625.html
> > > Fill in:
> > > B. The long-standing administrative policies that were broken to accommodate me, were:
> > > _____________________________________________
> > >
> > > ______________________________________________
> > >
> > > Lou
> > correction:
> > >
> > >http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/psycho/20131211/msgs/1056341.html
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> > HomelyCygnet,
You wrote the above that shows that you understand a lot of the crux of the matters in question.
One of those concerns is the years of outstanding notifications and requests of mine to Mr Hsiung.Let us look at this:
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130109/msgs/1044219.html
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Posted by Dr. Bob on January 3, 2014, at 22:09:02
In reply to Re: Just a few., posted by SLS on January 3, 2014, at 19:58:20
> I hope Twinleaf returns. I hope Dinah returns as well. Their contributions have been enormous in scope and depth.
I hope they return, too.
> Your posts could arouse sentiments of anti-psychiatry. This could influence people to forgo medical treatment and could leave them in a condition that allows them to kill themselves or others.
> I hope some greater good will come of Dr. Bob's motivations. The cost to Psycho-Babble has been very high, and is growing higher.
Lou does present a challenge to Babble. And represents a challenge to psychiatry. Every day, people forgo treatment for reasons that don't have anything to do with Lou. How might they be influenced to undergo treatment instead?
Bob
Posted by Phillipa on January 3, 2014, at 22:43:49
In reply to Re: sentiments of anti-psychiatry, posted by Dr. Bob on January 3, 2014, at 22:09:02
If I use the word feel than can't get blocked? That's the way I understand it anyway. So how try to convince them to not believe all they read half of what they see. Phillipa
Posted by alexandra_k on January 4, 2014, at 2:20:34
In reply to Re: sentiments of anti-psychiatry, posted by Dr. Bob on January 3, 2014, at 22:09:02
> Every day, people forgo treatment for reasons that don't have anything to do with Lou. How might they be influenced to undergo treatment instead?
you could simply block them from society. confine them somewhere... in the name of 'helping'.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 4, 2014, at 2:21:43
In reply to Re: sentiments of anti-psychiatry, posted by alexandra_k on January 4, 2014, at 2:20:34
you could tell them that they are causing their own suffering / distress if they don't do the 'treatment'. that they are responsible for the suffering / distress of others.
Posted by SLS on January 4, 2014, at 5:32:43
In reply to Re: sentiments of anti-psychiatry, posted by Dr. Bob on January 3, 2014, at 22:09:02
> Lou does present a challenge to Babble. And represents a challenge to psychiatry. Every day, people forgo treatment for reasons that don't have anything to do with Lou. How might they be influenced to undergo treatment instead?
Hmm. Well, looking for a positive and constructive posture to take is a start. I'm going to try something new. We'll see.
- Scott
Posted by Emme_V2 on January 4, 2014, at 11:26:52
In reply to correction: Lou's response-blehmvkdm, posted by Lou Pilder on January 3, 2014, at 17:58:57
> > > We have lost so many wonderful posters -Dinah most definitely among them.It's easy to say you're sorry she's no longer here, but I think the loss could have been easily avoided if she had been given appropriate recognition and respect by you for the important role she played in trying to help carry out your administrative policies. The last series of posts before she blocked herself seemed to me to be completely lacking in appreciation and respect for her and the other deputies, all of whom appear to have been extremely hurt and disillusioned by your interactions with them - all while you were focussing almost entirely on Lou, and breaking your own long-standing administrative policies in order to accommodate him alone.
> > Twinleaf,
> > You wrote,[...wonderful posters-Dinah...breaking your own longstanding administrative policies (to accommodate Lou)...]
> > If you could post answers to the following, I could respond accordingly.
> > True or False:
> > A. The following post by Dinah makes her a wonderful poster.
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/psycho/20131211/msgs/1055625.html
> > Fill in:
> > B. The long-standing administrative policies that were broken to accommodate me, were:
> > _____________________________________________
> >
> > ______________________________________________
> >
> > Lou
> correction:
> >
> >http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/psycho/20131211/msgs/1056341.html
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>Bob,
I agree with the content of Twinleaf's post. I also feel it was expressed in a reasonably respectful manner. I strongly disagree with your blocking her.
emme
Posted by HomelyCygnet on January 4, 2014, at 11:58:59
In reply to Re: correction: Lou's response-blehmvkdm » Lou Pilder, posted by Emme_V2 on January 4, 2014, at 11:26:52
I don't agree with the substance of Twinleaf's message concerning Lou but it seemed to be expressed quite civilly.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 4, 2014, at 13:44:38
In reply to deja vu all over again, posted by HomelyCygnet on January 4, 2014, at 11:58:59
I think that Bob was genuinely doing his best to understand where Dinah was coming from. If I was Bob I would have felt hurt by what Twinleaf said about that. Really, very.
Posted by HomelyCygnet on January 4, 2014, at 19:10:57
In reply to Re: deja vu all over again, posted by alexandra_k on January 4, 2014, at 13:44:38
I don't think so. Unless you want to be.
Posted by HomelyCygnet on January 4, 2014, at 19:12:10
In reply to You hurt people Should you be blocked? » alexandra_k, posted by HomelyCygnet on January 4, 2014, at 19:10:57
Posted by alexandra_k on January 4, 2014, at 19:25:50
In reply to You hurt people Should you be blocked? » alexandra_k, posted by HomelyCygnet on January 4, 2014, at 19:10:57
Posted by HomelyCygnet on January 4, 2014, at 20:13:50
In reply to Re: Have I hurt you? (nm) » HomelyCygnet, posted by alexandra_k on January 4, 2014, at 19:25:50
Posted by alexandra_k on January 4, 2014, at 20:30:37
In reply to Sure but that's life I guess should you be blocked (nm) » alexandra_k, posted by HomelyCygnet on January 4, 2014, at 20:13:50
or maybe i should voluntarily block myself?
can you tell me more about how i've hurt you? if i can understand maybe i can do something to make it less likely to happen again.
Posted by HomelyCygnet on January 4, 2014, at 20:38:57
In reply to Re: Sure but that's life I guess should you be blocked, posted by alexandra_k on January 4, 2014, at 20:30:37
Posted by HomelyCygnet on January 5, 2014, at 9:46:46
In reply to Re: Sure but that's life I guess should you be blocked, posted by alexandra_k on January 4, 2014, at 20:30:37
I can't believe that I'm a witness to such an abuse of civility. Truly, sincerely, there is no better example of what civility actually is, than to protect individuals from the throwing of sh*t upon them.
And you just stood by...........it's also a quote from Larry's 2 week block.......yes it is.... cussedy cuss cuss hmmm maybe support my block yes support equal blocks for all
Why should Larry get a block and not me?
PS I hear deputy racer has really stinky BO (please add bonus for insulting privileged class.)
Posted by alexandra_k on January 5, 2014, at 13:28:08
In reply to *SHAME* alex*SHAME*, posted by HomelyCygnet on January 5, 2014, at 9:46:46
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 5, 2014, at 13:48:01
In reply to *SHAME* alex*SHAME*, posted by HomelyCygnet on January 5, 2014, at 9:46:46
> Truly, sincerely, there is no better example of what civility actually is, than to protect individuals from the throwing of sh*t upon them.
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> HomelyCygnetMy view is that civility is to choose one or more of:
> > 1. not sling it back
> > 2. shield themselves
> > 3. help others shield themselves
> > 4. notify me if they think I should respond
> > 5. express how they feel
> > 6. reflect on times they've slung it themselves, or wanted to
> > 7. support the slingerBoth #3 and #4 could be considered ways of protecting others. For example:
> I agree with the content of Twinleaf's post. I also feel it was expressed in a reasonably respectful manner. I strongly disagree with your blocking her.
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> emmeThanks for expressing how you feel (#5) and doing it in a civil way (#1).
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> > Every day, people forgo treatment for reasons that don't have anything to do with Lou. How might they be influenced to undergo treatment instead?
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> how try to convince them to not believe all they read half of what they see.
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> Phillipa> Hmm. Well, looking for a positive and constructive posture to take is a start. I'm going to try something new. We'll see.
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> - ScottGreat, then we'll both be trying something new. :-)
Bob
Posted by HomelyCygnet on January 6, 2014, at 2:11:42
In reply to Re: i'm sorry you are hurting (nm) » HomelyCygnet, posted by alexandra_k on January 5, 2014, at 13:28:08
How odd that you would say something like that after all the cussedy cuss cussing you did when someone presumed to understand you! You'll be pleased to hear I'm not hurting at all. (Or maybe you won't be I wouldn't presume to know your feelings;).
Bob moved my original reply. Here's a link
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20131217/msgs/1057932.html
Posted by SLS on January 7, 2014, at 22:39:59
In reply to *SHAME* alex*SHAME*, posted by HomelyCygnet on January 5, 2014, at 9:46:46
> I can't believe that I'm a witness to such an abuse of civility. Truly, sincerely, there is no better example of what civility actually is, than to protect individuals from the throwing of sh*t upon them.
What about convincing (teaching) the thrower of sh*t to stop throwing it?
- Scott
Posted by alexandra_k on January 8, 2014, at 0:19:05
In reply to Re: *SHAME* alex*SHAME* » HomelyCygnet, posted by SLS on January 7, 2014, at 22:39:59
Posted by SLS on January 8, 2014, at 3:25:39
In reply to Re: can we change the subject header? (nm) » SLS, posted by alexandra_k on January 8, 2014, at 0:19:05
Lou Pilder is persistent at accomplishing his goals, even when these goals are wholly unpopular. He displays no shame when ridiculed, and does not alter the frequency or content of his posts in spite of ridicule. I wish I could be more like that.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on January 8, 2014, at 20:40:28
In reply to Nice things to say about other people., posted by SLS on January 8, 2014, at 3:25:39
Scott same message over & over gets boring. PJ
Posted by SLS on January 9, 2014, at 3:27:16
In reply to Re: Nice things to say about other people. » SLS, posted by Phillipa on January 8, 2014, at 20:40:28
> Scott same message over & over gets boring. PJ
Why didn't you say anything nice about anyone? What about me? In your very next post along this thread, how about choosing someone from the Psycho-Babble community and writing just a few words regarding their positive attributes or anything else positive that you like to say about them.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on January 9, 2014, at 3:41:55
In reply to Re: Nice things to say about other people., posted by SLS on January 9, 2014, at 3:27:16
HomelyCygnet is gifted with an extraordinary intelligence and an acute intellect. She is well read and draws from her eclectic knowledge base when she communicates. I need to use a dictionary to read through her posts. I have expanded my vocabulary because of her. She is a free thinker who is passionate about her beliefs; particularly those that involve justice and equal treatment. HomelyCygnet thus makes a formidable foe when she decides to advocate for someone or a cause. Her excellent memory is wholly unfair to have to argue against. She is quite clever and very quick when jousting in a repartee. There is no lack of humor in her posts. She is also very creative. I would love to see some of her writing dealing with subjects not associated with Psycho-Babble. I would be particularly interested in reading essays. I imagine she writes poetry, too. HomelyCygnet dares people to think. She offers intellectual challenges that provide learning opportunities, whether one agrees with her or not.
- Scott
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