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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by Lou Pilder on December 27, 2012, at 16:14:27
In reply to Re: Dr Bob, ban Lou (yes, I'm pretty direct), posted by larryhoover on December 27, 2012, at 10:35:34
> Yes, Lou, I am purposely posting under this subject line. I left this place some time ago because Dr. Bob abdicated his responsibility to us all. Including you, Lou. You should have been banned long ago, and your return should have been conditional.
>
> I am deeply offended, Lou, that when someone challenges you on other grounds, you try and turn it into an anti-Semitic argument. Playing that card is cheating, Lou. And you know it. I know you know it. As others have stated, ad nauseum, the only reason we know about any of the religious issues you are so offended by is that you constantly breathe them back to life.
>
> Can you not grasp that there are dogmatic differences between the orthodox beliefs of different religions? And especially so when the different sects and historical documents associated with those human interpretations are taken into account? Psychobabble is incapable of fixing these issues for you. And yet, you generalize your impotent rage upon the entire population of Babble.
>
> There are two threads here on the Admin page in which you have repeatedly insulted individual posters by calling them anti-Semitic. And those posters I know to be above reproach. That is so offensive, and so uncivil, you should be banned every time you say it. Every time.
>
> When posters challenge you, Lou, these are the broad issues that I see them challenging. These are the "antis" they're posting about.
>
> 1. anti-bigotry (defined by Merriam-Webster as "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices"), or in the words of Oliver Wendell Holmes, "The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract."
>
> Do not try and twist my words, Lou. This meaning, and this meaning only, am I expressing.
>
> 2. anti-ignorance (defined by Merriam-Webster as "a state defined by a lack of knowledge, education, or awareness").
>
> Lou, your lack of knowledge of statistics, chemistry, biochemistry, and science in general, is appalling. And yet, you persist in trying to make pseudo-scientific arguments, despite extensive efforts by members of the Babble community to help you to understand your errors.
>
> 3. anti-illogical (defined by Merrian-Webster as "not observing the principals of logic"). I had to make up a descriptor, but more specifically, I am referring to arguments that are fallacious, inconsequent, or invalid.
>
> There is no debating you, Lou. You simply restate your ill-reasoned beliefs. Or ignore the debate altogether.
>
> But of all the things you do, Lou, playing an end around of the rules against posting links to specific websites, by creating google searches which will take an individual to those very sites, that is the most egregious violation of the rules here. People used to get banned in a flash for that. I got banned for linking to a site that I didn't even know had prohibited content on it. Twice. But you get away with intentional sh$t like that?
>
> You should be banned, Lou. And not allowed to return unless you reform your ways.
>
> Lar
>
> Friends,
If you are following the ongoing situation here, be advised that I am trying to save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions/addictions, save the lives of innocent people murdered by those in a mind-altered state induced by psychotropic drugs, and to stop the allowing of antisemitic statements to stand here. This is supportive on any forum unless what I am trying to stop is what the forum wants.
This brings up as to why there are numerous statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings allowed to stand here, and why there is a post to me by Mr Hsiung that prevents me from posting here the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me. This also brings up as to what is the reason that others want for me to not post here as I do,to seek that the antisemitism is not allowed to stand and to post facts that I think could save lives. These facts are prohibited by Mr Hsiung to me to post here. These prohibitions are mainly only to me, for they are not in the TOS under the faq. And I am following those prohibitions even though Larry and others see that Mr Hsiung is allowing others to defame me here and use me as a scapegoat for their real or imagined ills or their leaving here.
If somone here does not want me to post what could save lives, or to try to stop antisemitism from being allowed to stand here, is that a rationale reason to leave a forum of any nature? Those wanting me banned for what I write here do not have to read what I post, for there are numerous other threads for them to be part of, or they could post a response of their own thinking.
And when one member posts defamation toward me here and stops, then comes another one just like the other one. And Mr Hsiung is not only allowing it, by the nature of him allowing it, others could think that it is supportive. Antisemitism supportive? Supportive of what? Defamation toward me supportive? All that it takes for antisemitism and defamation to stand is for good members to do nothing.
Lou
Posted by SLS on December 27, 2012, at 17:03:25
In reply to Lou's reply-dunuttin » larryhoover, posted by Lou Pilder on December 27, 2012, at 16:14:27
> Those wanting me banned for what I write here do not have to read what I post,
So, you have now changed your posture towards allowing antisemitic posts? I can write one after another and have them be allowed to stand? This becomes acceptable to you now that you realize you don't need to read them?
I usually do not reply to your posts unless I feel they are endangering the welfare of others. I am here to save lives too, and I deem your posts to pose a threat to the health of those who would read them. That you are Jewish is incidental and irrelevant. It is unfortunate that you should feel the need to pronounce as antisemitic any act that confronts you and challenges your belief system. I find it very ugly.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 27, 2012, at 21:16:08
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-dunuttin » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on December 27, 2012, at 17:03:25
> > Those wanting me banned for what I write here do not have to read what I post,
>
> So, you have now changed your posture towards allowing antisemitic posts? I can write one after another and have them be allowed to stand? This becomes acceptable to you now that you realize you don't need to read them?
>
> I usually do not reply to your posts unless I feel they are endangering the welfare of others. I am here to save lives too, and I deem your posts to pose a threat to the health of those who would read them. That you are Jewish is incidental and irrelevant. It is unfortunate that you should feel the need to pronounce as antisemitic any act that confronts you and challenges your belief system. I find it very ugly.
>
>
> - ScottFriends,
It is written here,[...So you've now changed your posture towards allowing antisemitic posts?..].
The answer my friends, is knowing that it is "no".
My mission here is to save lives by posting facts so that others can make a more informed decision as to take these drugs promoted here or to drug their child in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor or not. Another part is to stop members from posting what could arouse antisemitic feelings and for the administration to follow their own rules in putting out what could start a forest fire in relation to antisemitic statements that are allowed to stand here. The administration could do that by responding to my requests that are outstanding on the administrative board. You could read those threads and post from your perspective. which I think could help my cause. Of course, if members do not post from their perspective in those threads, my cause does not have the member's input which could help the Jews throughout the world from being victims of antisemitic violence, for if there were posts from members that heped the Jews, an offset could happen. And all that is needed for antisemitism to stand here is for good members to do nothing.
You see, those antisemitic statements could be considered to be supportive by the nature that Mr Hsiung states that support takes precedence and that one match could start a forest fire and that Mr Hsiung is doing what will be good for this community as a whole and to trust him in that. So if there is an antisemitic statement allowed to stand, and there are many, then a forest fire of hatred toward the Jews could spread way beyond the forum itself, for those posts could be read in countries that hate the Jews and in communities in free countries that hate the Jews to give those people a {false} feeling of superiority, and in a drug induced state, or in a non-drug induced state, they could target a Jew for murder thinking that they will be doing what will be good for the community as a whole.
Then there are other web sites that cite those statements as being allowed by Mr Hsiung. They are typed out so that even if the link is hidden or even removed, the antisemitic statement stays there.
And these posts of antisemitism can be seen, can be seen right now. For you see, there are archives here, not just one page. So an antisemitic statement allowed to stand here years ago can be pulled up in a search to be seen in the present, now.
Then there is the issue as to if me as a Jew can post the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me. The answer my friens, is no I can't. To see why:
A.Go to the search box at the end of this page
B. Type in: [admin, 7968]
If more than one, it is the one with the 7968 in the colored strip in the post. It is of interest that schleprock did post to that thread on the top of the admin board. I do not know what he is wanting to mean by what he posted.
Now that shows that, I hope, what could open your eyes to a situation that some wish not to acknowledge. But it is plainly visible what is in the post, and if you want to know the historical parallels to that, there is another prohibition to me that prevents me from posting that here by Mr Hsiung.
Now members here CAN post antisemitism. And Mr Hsiung is allowing it, and I do not accept any of his rationales, excuses or whatever else you want to use to justify hatred posted toward the Jews being allowed to stand here. For as the sun comes from out of the East to set in the West, it has been revealed to me, so shall all that post such, and those that allow it, meet the fate that the scriptures that the Jews use prescribe to those. My friends, be not deceived. Here is a post that I would like for you to read.
Now the antisemitic statement that has been used for centuries by those that want to persecute the Jews is in the last paragraph of the member's post before my part. It reads,[...made to suffer a horrible death by {them}...]. That type of hatred toward the Jews is allowed to stand here. I invite all members to post in that thread from their perspective.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/1004107.html
Lou
Posted by SLS on December 27, 2012, at 21:34:23
In reply to Lou's reply-gehybreel » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on December 27, 2012, at 21:16:08
> > > Those wanting me banned for what I write here do not have to read what I post,
> >
> > So, you have now changed your posture towards allowing antisemitic posts? I can write one after another and have them be allowed to stand? This becomes acceptable to you now that you realize you don't need to read them?
> >
> > I usually do not reply to your posts unless I feel they are endangering the welfare of others. I am here to save lives too, and I deem your posts to pose a threat to the health of those who would read them. That you are Jewish is incidental and irrelevant. It is unfortunate that you should feel the need to pronounce as antisemitic any act that confronts you and challenges your belief system. I find it very ugly.> Friends,
> It is written here,[...So you've now changed your posture towards allowing antisemitic posts?..].
> The answer my friends, is knowing that it is "no".
> My mission here is to save lives by posting factsPlease don't post things that could lead a true fact to feel neglected and put down.
:-)
This is actually a pretty uncivil post that I would like to receive a PBC for. I think it is time for more frequent input from the moderators of this forum.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 29, 2012, at 8:54:48
In reply to Lou's reply-dunuttin » larryhoover, posted by Lou Pilder on December 27, 2012, at 16:14:27
> > Yes, Lou, I am purposely posting under this subject line. I left this place some time ago because Dr. Bob abdicated his responsibility to us all. Including you, Lou. You should have been banned long ago, and your return should have been conditional.
> >
> > I am deeply offended, Lou, that when someone challenges you on other grounds, you try and turn it into an anti-Semitic argument. Playing that card is cheating, Lou. And you know it. I know you know it. As others have stated, ad nauseum, the only reason we know about any of the religious issues you are so offended by is that you constantly breathe them back to life.
> >
> > Can you not grasp that there are dogmatic differences between the orthodox beliefs of different religions? And especially so when the different sects and historical documents associated with those human interpretations are taken into account? Psychobabble is incapable of fixing these issues for you. And yet, you generalize your impotent rage upon the entire population of Babble.
> >
> > There are two threads here on the Admin page in which you have repeatedly insulted individual posters by calling them anti-Semitic. And those posters I know to be above reproach. That is so offensive, and so uncivil, you should be banned every time you say it. Every time.
> >
> > When posters challenge you, Lou, these are the broad issues that I see them challenging. These are the "antis" they're posting about.
> >
> > 1. anti-bigotry (defined by Merriam-Webster as "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices"), or in the words of Oliver Wendell Holmes, "The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract."
> >
> > Do not try and twist my words, Lou. This meaning, and this meaning only, am I expressing.
> >
> > 2. anti-ignorance (defined by Merriam-Webster as "a state defined by a lack of knowledge, education, or awareness").
> >
> > Lou, your lack of knowledge of statistics, chemistry, biochemistry, and science in general, is appalling. And yet, you persist in trying to make pseudo-scientific arguments, despite extensive efforts by members of the Babble community to help you to understand your errors.
> >
> > 3. anti-illogical (defined by Merrian-Webster as "not observing the principals of logic"). I had to make up a descriptor, but more specifically, I am referring to arguments that are fallacious, inconsequent, or invalid.
> >
> > There is no debating you, Lou. You simply restate your ill-reasoned beliefs. Or ignore the debate altogether.
> >
> > But of all the things you do, Lou, playing an end around of the rules against posting links to specific websites, by creating google searches which will take an individual to those very sites, that is the most egregious violation of the rules here. People used to get banned in a flash for that. I got banned for linking to a site that I didn't even know had prohibited content on it. Twice. But you get away with intentional sh$t like that?
> >
> > You should be banned, Lou. And not allowed to return unless you reform your ways.
> >
> > Lar
> >
> > Friends,
> If you are following the ongoing situation here, be advised that I am trying to save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions/addictions, save the lives of innocent people murdered by those in a mind-altered state induced by psychotropic drugs, and to stop the allowing of antisemitic statements to stand here. This is supportive on any forum unless what I am trying to stop is what the forum wants.
> This brings up as to why there are numerous statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings allowed to stand here, and why there is a post to me by Mr Hsiung that prevents me from posting here the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me. This also brings up as to what is the reason that others want for me to not post here as I do,to seek that the antisemitism is not allowed to stand and to post facts that I think could save lives. These facts are prohibited by Mr Hsiung to me to post here. These prohibitions are mainly only to me, for they are not in the TOS under the faq. And I am following those prohibitions even though Larry and others see that Mr Hsiung is allowing others to defame me here and use me as a scapegoat for their real or imagined ills or their leaving here.
> If somone here does not want me to post what could save lives, or to try to stop antisemitism from being allowed to stand here, is that a rationale reason to leave a forum of any nature? Those wanting me banned for what I write here do not have to read what I post, for there are numerous other threads for them to be part of, or they could post a response of their own thinking.
> And when one member posts defamation toward me here and stops, then comes another one just like the other one. And Mr Hsiung is not only allowing it, by the nature of him allowing it, others could think that it is supportive. Antisemitism supportive? Supportive of what? Defamation toward me supportive? All that it takes for antisemitism and defamation to stand is for good members to do nothing.
> Lou
>
> Friends,
One of the aspects of my being here is to expose the hatred being promulgated here toward the Jews as well as that if I could do that, lives could be saved. In the statements by Mr Hoover here, along with the gross hostility in his post to me here, one in particular is concerning hatred toward the Jews as statements that can arouse antisemitic feelings are allowed to stand here. His statement is:
[...psychobabble is incapable of fixing these issues...].
My friends, Mr Hsiung states that he does not wait to sanction what could start a forest fire or what is not supportive. But there are numerous statements being allowed to stand that are antisemitic that could cause hatred toward the Jews and others as well. In particular, but not limited to ,the one that states that the ONLY reason that people miss out on forgiveness and Eternal Life from God is if they reject Jesus as Lord and Savior. (citation phozdr}.
The fix is the same fix for other posts that are not supportive, which is for the leader of the community to take the same action as he does for posts that state the {only way} as in that it is not supportive to state {the only way} as it precludes others that are not in the group stated, as in this case the Jews are one of those that are excluded from forgiveness and Eternal Life from God tha do not accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. Jews and Islamic people and a lot of others including atheists do not accept that claim that he poster states as being {the only}.
This is what discrimination is. And discrimination toward Jews in a community that does not allow the Jew to post the foundation of Judaism as revealed to him, but allows the statement in question, can foster the inducement of hatred toward Jews and me as a Jew here.
My friends, I have a broad background in research on how hatred is fosterd in a group, and in particular how hatred is fostered toward Jews in a community. These tactics are well-known by psychologists/psychiatrists, which are discrimination, sterotyping, prejudice, and the allowing of intergroup agression.
The intergroup agression that is plainly visible here toward me is dangerous because the members here take mind-altering drugs. For it is being allowed by Mr Hsiung and he even is in concert with them ecouraging them to offset me and using the epithet {Prince of Death} in relation to me here. This, as I will show later, is an ingrediant for murder as the members here taking mind-altering drugs can have a compeling to kill themselves and/or others induced by the drugs when the ingrediant for murder as agression is fosterd in them in a community.
Another aspect in the brewing of the culdren of hate that could cause others to commit murder and suicide is when the community promulgates {superiority} as being supportive. This is right here in the allowing of antisemitic statements. These statements can be fixed right now, and I want them fixed right now, so that hatred is stopped toward the Jews and others. You can make a diffrence by posting in the threads here on this board and others where there are outstanding requests from me to Mr Hsiung. That could be a fix and show that {bystander apathy} is not a componant of the membership here.
There is a lot more to this here that if you could know what I know, your life could be saved, life-ruining conditions could be avoided, addictions could be avoided,children would not have to endure a lifetime of suffereing and addiction from these drugs,or death, and I could tell you how you could overcome addiction and depression and have a new life and sing a new song. But as long as you are led to believe the slogans and propaganda here toward Jews and me as a Jew, there could be the ingrediants for hatred pumped into you to poison your soul and lead you to kill yourself and/or others.
Lou
citation phozdr
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080809/msgs/941769.html
now see[admin,7968] via the search box here
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 29, 2012, at 15:09:50
In reply to Lou's reply-phyx, posted by Lou Pilder on December 29, 2012, at 8:54:48
> > > Yes, Lou, I am purposely posting under this subject line. I left this place some time ago because Dr. Bob abdicated his responsibility to us all. Including you, Lou. You should have been banned long ago, and your return should have been conditional.
> > >
> > > I am deeply offended, Lou, that when someone challenges you on other grounds, you try and turn it into an anti-Semitic argument. Playing that card is cheating, Lou. And you know it. I know you know it. As others have stated, ad nauseum, the only reason we know about any of the religious issues you are so offended by is that you constantly breathe them back to life.
> > >
> > > Can you not grasp that there are dogmatic differences between the orthodox beliefs of different religions? And especially so when the different sects and historical documents associated with those human interpretations are taken into account? Psychobabble is incapable of fixing these issues for you. And yet, you generalize your impotent rage upon the entire population of Babble.
> > >
> > > There are two threads here on the Admin page in which you have repeatedly insulted individual posters by calling them anti-Semitic. And those posters I know to be above reproach. That is so offensive, and so uncivil, you should be banned every time you say it. Every time.
> > >
> > > When posters challenge you, Lou, these are the broad issues that I see them challenging. These are the "antis" they're posting about.
> > >
> > > 1. anti-bigotry (defined by Merriam-Webster as "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices"), or in the words of Oliver Wendell Holmes, "The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract."
> > >
> > > Do not try and twist my words, Lou. This meaning, and this meaning only, am I expressing.
> > >
> > > 2. anti-ignorance (defined by Merriam-Webster as "a state defined by a lack of knowledge, education, or awareness").
> > >
> > > Lou, your lack of knowledge of statistics, chemistry, biochemistry, and science in general, is appalling. And yet, you persist in trying to make pseudo-scientific arguments, despite extensive efforts by members of the Babble community to help you to understand your errors.
> > >
> > > 3. anti-illogical (defined by Merrian-Webster as "not observing the principals of logic"). I had to make up a descriptor, but more specifically, I am referring to arguments that are fallacious, inconsequent, or invalid.
> > >
> > > There is no debating you, Lou. You simply restate your ill-reasoned beliefs. Or ignore the debate altogether.
> > >
> > > But of all the things you do, Lou, playing an end around of the rules against posting links to specific websites, by creating google searches which will take an individual to those very sites, that is the most egregious violation of the rules here. People used to get banned in a flash for that. I got banned for linking to a site that I didn't even know had prohibited content on it. Twice. But you get away with intentional sh$t like that?
> > >
> > > You should be banned, Lou. And not allowed to return unless you reform your ways.
> > >
> > > Lar
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > If you are following the ongoing situation here, be advised that I am trying to save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions/addictions, save the lives of innocent people murdered by those in a mind-altered state induced by psychotropic drugs, and to stop the allowing of antisemitic statements to stand here. This is supportive on any forum unless what I am trying to stop is what the forum wants.
> > This brings up as to why there are numerous statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings allowed to stand here, and why there is a post to me by Mr Hsiung that prevents me from posting here the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me. This also brings up as to what is the reason that others want for me to not post here as I do,to seek that the antisemitism is not allowed to stand and to post facts that I think could save lives. These facts are prohibited by Mr Hsiung to me to post here. These prohibitions are mainly only to me, for they are not in the TOS under the faq. And I am following those prohibitions even though Larry and others see that Mr Hsiung is allowing others to defame me here and use me as a scapegoat for their real or imagined ills or their leaving here.
> > If somone here does not want me to post what could save lives, or to try to stop antisemitism from being allowed to stand here, is that a rationale reason to leave a forum of any nature? Those wanting me banned for what I write here do not have to read what I post, for there are numerous other threads for them to be part of, or they could post a response of their own thinking.
> > And when one member posts defamation toward me here and stops, then comes another one just like the other one. And Mr Hsiung is not only allowing it, by the nature of him allowing it, others could think that it is supportive. Antisemitism supportive? Supportive of what? Defamation toward me supportive? All that it takes for antisemitism and defamation to stand is for good members to do nothing.
> > Lou
> >
> > Friends,
> One of the aspects of my being here is to expose the hatred being promulgated here toward the Jews as well as that if I could do that, lives could be saved. In the statements by Mr Hoover here, along with the gross hostility in his post to me here, one in particular is concerning hatred toward the Jews as statements that can arouse antisemitic feelings are allowed to stand here. His statement is:
> [...psychobabble is incapable of fixing these issues...].
> My friends, Mr Hsiung states that he does not wait to sanction what could start a forest fire or what is not supportive. But there are numerous statements being allowed to stand that are antisemitic that could cause hatred toward the Jews and others as well. In particular, but not limited to ,the one that states that the ONLY reason that people miss out on forgiveness and Eternal Life from God is if they reject Jesus as Lord and Savior. (citation phozdr}.
> The fix is the same fix for other posts that are not supportive, which is for the leader of the community to take the same action as he does for posts that state the {only way} as in that it is not supportive to state {the only way} as it precludes others that are not in the group stated, as in this case the Jews are one of those that are excluded from forgiveness and Eternal Life from God tha do not accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. Jews and Islamic people and a lot of others including atheists do not accept that claim that he poster states as being {the only}.
> This is what discrimination is. And discrimination toward Jews in a community that does not allow the Jew to post the foundation of Judaism as revealed to him, but allows the statement in question, can foster the inducement of hatred toward Jews and me as a Jew here.
> My friends, I have a broad background in research on how hatred is fosterd in a group, and in particular how hatred is fostered toward Jews in a community. These tactics are well-known by psychologists/psychiatrists, which are discrimination, sterotyping, prejudice, and the allowing of intergroup agression.
> The intergroup agression that is plainly visible here toward me is dangerous because the members here take mind-altering drugs. For it is being allowed by Mr Hsiung and he even is in concert with them ecouraging them to offset me and using the epithet {Prince of Death} in relation to me here. This, as I will show later, is an ingrediant for murder as the members here taking mind-altering drugs can have a compeling to kill themselves and/or others induced by the drugs when the ingrediant for murder as agression is fosterd in them in a community.
> Another aspect in the brewing of the culdren of hate that could cause others to commit murder and suicide is when the community promulgates {superiority} as being supportive. This is right here in the allowing of antisemitic statements. These statements can be fixed right now, and I want them fixed right now, so that hatred is stopped toward the Jews and others. You can make a diffrence by posting in the threads here on this board and others where there are outstanding requests from me to Mr Hsiung. That could be a fix and show that {bystander apathy} is not a componant of the membership here.
> There is a lot more to this here that if you could know what I know, your life could be saved, life-ruining conditions could be avoided, addictions could be avoided,children would not have to endure a lifetime of suffereing and addiction from these drugs,or death, and I could tell you how you could overcome addiction and depression and have a new life and sing a new song. But as long as you are led to believe the slogans and propaganda here toward Jews and me as a Jew, there could be the ingrediants for hatred pumped into you to poison your soul and lead you to kill yourself and/or others.
> Lou
> citation phozdr
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080809/msgs/941769.html
> now see[admin,7968] via the search box hereFriends,
Now Mr. Hoover writes here that I am bringing to the attention of the administration and the members and readers that there are statements here that are antisemitic being allowed to stand by Mr. Hsiung and his deputy now and his previous deputies. It really doesn't matter if the statements are in the archives because those statements can still be brought up and seen in a search, which is where a lot of people come to this site from. The antisemitic posts are seen in the present and I consider them to be of great potential harm to Jews and others.
The antisemitic statements allowed to stand can produce hatred as that the statements can cause one to think of the Jew as an enemy, a demon, an inferior race, people that bring disaster to the community, people to be blamed for the death of Christ. This allowing by Mr. Hsiung here of the antisemitic statements to stand causes deep humiliation toward me and dehumanizes me as a Jew here. The insults to Judaism that go along with Mr. Hsiung allowing the antisemitism can induce more hatred toward Jews and me as a Jew by him being the authority figure here so that others could think that the hatred is supportive. I am prohibited, no less, by Mr Hsiung from posting the historical parallels to the authoritaive prohibitions to me here by him which allows him to control the content which limits the potential of the resistance to the aganda that is plainly visible. The use of pressure to expel and the repression of information that could stop the antisemitism from being allowed to stand, opens the door to an indoctrination that the historical record shows.
The harm to Jews is forseeable, for there is a huge body of research concerning how hatred is promulgated in a community by the leaders. The first step in inducing hatred into the members is to allow the Jews to have posts about them that degrade, humiliate and dehumainze them.
Here is one such:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/428781.html
This allowing of the hate in the post toward Jews then leads to insulting Judaism itself.
Here is one such post: To see the hate, look at the 2end list called the top 10... , number 5
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20040729/msgs/378930.html
Then the leader can be in concert with the members, which could foster attitudes in the members consistant with the leader's wishes. And that the leader says that he will appreciate members trusting him in that he is doing what will be good for the community as a whole, then members could think that they are plesasing him in going along with him to allow the antisemitic statements to stand.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20060614/msgs/735373.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1029332.html
This then could have the potential for members to think that it is justifiable for them to post hostility and scapegoating and insults to me here. What is allowed to stand about the Jews of hate here can get into the frail minds of those that take mind-altering drugs. The influence into members here that degrades Jews could be another ingrediant in the keddle that brews the poison of hate that induces violence and suicide and murder.
Lou
Posted by SLS on December 29, 2012, at 21:37:43
In reply to Lou's reply-kultofhey, posted by Lou Pilder on December 29, 2012, at 15:09:50
To whom have you reported your experiences of antisemitism on Psycho-Babble?
- Scott
Posted by SLS on December 29, 2012, at 21:48:10
In reply to Lou's reply-kultofhey, posted by Lou Pilder on December 29, 2012, at 15:09:50
Perhaps you could produce a list of those things that administration can do to resolve your complaints of antisemitism.
What would you like to see Dr. Hsiung do?
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 12, 2013, at 4:09:34
In reply to Resolve issues regarding antisemitiism. » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on December 29, 2012, at 21:48:10
> Perhaps you could produce a list of those things that administration can do to resolve your complaints of antisemitism.
>
> What would you like to see Dr. Hsiung do?
>
>
> - ScottScott,
In regards to your request to me here, I wold like for you and interested members to read the following.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20101201/msgs/976484.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2013, at 5:39:37
In reply to Lou's reply-phyx, posted by Lou Pilder on December 29, 2012, at 8:54:48
> > > Yes, Lou, I am purposely posting under this subject line. I left this place some time ago because Dr. Bob abdicated his responsibility to us all. Including you, Lou. You should have been banned long ago, and your return should have been conditional.
> > >
> > > I am deeply offended, Lou, that when someone challenges you on other grounds, you try and turn it into an anti-Semitic argument. Playing that card is cheating, Lou. And you know it. I know you know it. As others have stated, ad nauseum, the only reason we know about any of the religious issues you are so offended by is that you constantly breathe them back to life.
> > >
> > > Can you not grasp that there are dogmatic differences between the orthodox beliefs of different religions? And especially so when the different sects and historical documents associated with those human interpretations are taken into account? Psychobabble is incapable of fixing these issues for you. And yet, you generalize your impotent rage upon the entire population of Babble.
> > >
> > > There are two threads here on the Admin page in which you have repeatedly insulted individual posters by calling them anti-Semitic. And those posters I know to be above reproach. That is so offensive, and so uncivil, you should be banned every time you say it. Every time.
> > >
> > > When posters challenge you, Lou, these are the broad issues that I see them challenging. These are the "antis" they're posting about.
> > >
> > > 1. anti-bigotry (defined by Merriam-Webster as "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices"), or in the words of Oliver Wendell Holmes, "The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract."
> > >
> > > Do not try and twist my words, Lou. This meaning, and this meaning only, am I expressing.
> > >
> > > 2. anti-ignorance (defined by Merriam-Webster as "a state defined by a lack of knowledge, education, or awareness").
> > >
> > > Lou, your lack of knowledge of statistics, chemistry, biochemistry, and science in general, is appalling. And yet, you persist in trying to make pseudo-scientific arguments, despite extensive efforts by members of the Babble community to help you to understand your errors.
> > >
> > > 3. anti-illogical (defined by Merrian-Webster as "not observing the principals of logic"). I had to make up a descriptor, but more specifically, I am referring to arguments that are fallacious, inconsequent, or invalid.
> > >
> > > There is no debating you, Lou. You simply restate your ill-reasoned beliefs. Or ignore the debate altogether.
> > >
> > > But of all the things you do, Lou, playing an end around of the rules against posting links to specific websites, by creating google searches which will take an individual to those very sites, that is the most egregious violation of the rules here. People used to get banned in a flash for that. I got banned for linking to a site that I didn't even know had prohibited content on it. Twice. But you get away with intentional sh$t like that?
> > >
> > > You should be banned, Lou. And not allowed to return unless you reform your ways.
> > >
> > > Lar
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > If you are following the ongoing situation here, be advised that I am trying to save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions/addictions, save the lives of innocent people murdered by those in a mind-altered state induced by psychotropic drugs, and to stop the allowing of antisemitic statements to stand here. This is supportive on any forum unless what I am trying to stop is what the forum wants.
> > This brings up as to why there are numerous statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings allowed to stand here, and why there is a post to me by Mr Hsiung that prevents me from posting here the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me. This also brings up as to what is the reason that others want for me to not post here as I do,to seek that the antisemitism is not allowed to stand and to post facts that I think could save lives. These facts are prohibited by Mr Hsiung to me to post here. These prohibitions are mainly only to me, for they are not in the TOS under the faq. And I am following those prohibitions even though Larry and others see that Mr Hsiung is allowing others to defame me here and use me as a scapegoat for their real or imagined ills or their leaving here.
> > If somone here does not want me to post what could save lives, or to try to stop antisemitism from being allowed to stand here, is that a rationale reason to leave a forum of any nature? Those wanting me banned for what I write here do not have to read what I post, for there are numerous other threads for them to be part of, or they could post a response of their own thinking.
> > And when one member posts defamation toward me here and stops, then comes another one just like the other one. And Mr Hsiung is not only allowing it, by the nature of him allowing it, others could think that it is supportive. Antisemitism supportive? Supportive of what? Defamation toward me supportive? All that it takes for antisemitism and defamation to stand is for good members to do nothing.
> > Lou
> >
> > Friends,
> One of the aspects of my being here is to expose the hatred being promulgated here toward the Jews as well as that if I could do that, lives could be saved. In the statements by Mr Hoover here, along with the gross hostility in his post to me here, one in particular is concerning hatred toward the Jews as statements that can arouse antisemitic feelings are allowed to stand here. His statement is:
> [...psychobabble is incapable of fixing these issues...].
> My friends, Mr Hsiung states that he does not wait to sanction what could start a forest fire or what is not supportive. But there are numerous statements being allowed to stand that are antisemitic that could cause hatred toward the Jews and others as well. In particular, but not limited to ,the one that states that the ONLY reason that people miss out on forgiveness and Eternal Life from God is if they reject Jesus as Lord and Savior. (citation phozdr}.
> The fix is the same fix for other posts that are not supportive, which is for the leader of the community to take the same action as he does for posts that state the {only way} as in that it is not supportive to state {the only way} as it precludes others that are not in the group stated, as in this case the Jews are one of those that are excluded from forgiveness and Eternal Life from God tha do not accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. Jews and Islamic people and a lot of others including atheists do not accept that claim that he poster states as being {the only}.
> This is what discrimination is. And discrimination toward Jews in a community that does not allow the Jew to post the foundation of Judaism as revealed to him, but allows the statement in question, can foster the inducement of hatred toward Jews and me as a Jew here.
> My friends, I have a broad background in research on how hatred is fosterd in a group, and in particular how hatred is fostered toward Jews in a community. These tactics are well-known by psychologists/psychiatrists, which are discrimination, sterotyping, prejudice, and the allowing of intergroup agression.
> The intergroup agression that is plainly visible here toward me is dangerous because the members here take mind-altering drugs. For it is being allowed by Mr Hsiung and he even is in concert with them ecouraging them to offset me and using the epithet {Prince of Death} in relation to me here. This, as I will show later, is an ingrediant for murder as the members here taking mind-altering drugs can have a compeling to kill themselves and/or others induced by the drugs when the ingrediant for murder as agression is fosterd in them in a community.
> Another aspect in the brewing of the culdren of hate that could cause others to commit murder and suicide is when the community promulgates {superiority} as being supportive. This is right here in the allowing of antisemitic statements. These statements can be fixed right now, and I want them fixed right now, so that hatred is stopped toward the Jews and others. You can make a diffrence by posting in the threads here on this board and others where there are outstanding requests from me to Mr Hsiung. That could be a fix and show that {bystander apathy} is not a componant of the membership here.
> There is a lot more to this here that if you could know what I know, your life could be saved, life-ruining conditions could be avoided, addictions could be avoided,children would not have to endure a lifetime of suffereing and addiction from these drugs,or death, and I could tell you how you could overcome addiction and depression and have a new life and sing a new song. But as long as you are led to believe the slogans and propaganda here toward Jews and me as a Jew, there could be the ingrediants for hatred pumped into you to poison your soul and lead you to kill yourself and/or others.
> Lou
> citation phozdr
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080809/msgs/941769.html
> now see[admin,7968] via the search box hereFriends,
It is asked here how a fix could be done in relation to the content of this thread. I am asking that you review the posts in this thread and then use the b-mail to contact me for email, if you like.
Lou
Posted by 10derheart on July 4, 2013, at 12:20:22
In reply to Lou's reply-phyx-emale, posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2013, at 5:39:37
Lou, I thank you for bringing attention back to Larry's brilliant post. I had forgotten how well written it was.
While I don't agree with every word or belief, the essentials are all thoroughly explained.
Miss you, Lar.
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2013, at 12:36:58
In reply to Lar's excellent post » Lou Pilder, posted by 10derheart on July 4, 2013, at 12:20:22
> Lou, I thank you for bringing attention back to Larry's brilliant post. I had forgotten how well written it was.
>
> While I don't agree with every word or belief, the essentials are all thoroughly explained.
>
> Miss you, Lar.10,
You wrote,[..I don't agree with every word r belief, the essentials are..explained..].
How is a reader to know what you agree with or what the essentials are?
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2013, at 22:42:42
In reply to Lar's excellent post » Lou Pilder, posted by 10derheart on July 4, 2013, at 12:20:22
Is a great post. Lar is very busy. Phillipa
Posted by SLS on July 4, 2013, at 23:44:44
In reply to Lou's reply-dhaesscentulz » 10derheart, posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2013, at 12:36:58
> > Lou, I thank you for bringing attention back to Larry's brilliant post. I had forgotten how well written it was.
> >
> > While I don't agree with every word or belief, the essentials are all thoroughly explained.
> >
> > Miss you, Lar.> 10,
> You wrote,[..I don't agree with every word r belief, the essentials are..explained..].
> How is a reader to know what you agree with or what the essentials are?
> LouI agree with 10derHeart regarding the post written by Larry Hoover.
I don't know about 10derHeart, but I feel no sense of obligation to have you understand or agree with anything I have to write. I am less concerned with how your judgments and decisions affect your health than how they affect the health of others. I imagine you feel the same way about me. It is unlikely that we will agree on very much, regardless of how much time we spend trading words. You never answer anyone's questions. I remain disinclined to answer yours.
I hope that you have found peace and happiness.
I restored the subject line.
- Scott
Posted by 10derheart on July 5, 2013, at 13:26:40
In reply to Lou's reply-dhaesscentulz » 10derheart, posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2013, at 12:36:58
Take a guess?
Posted by larry hoover on August 3, 2013, at 22:23:59
In reply to Lar's excellent post » Lou Pilder, posted by 10derheart on July 4, 2013, at 12:20:22
Why thank you kindly, sweetheart. I do appreciate being missed. And I miss you and others here, as well.
But I see that this board is still the Lou Pilder board. I read some parts of some of the threads, below, and I am utterly disappointed in Dr. Bob, for abdicating responsibility for finding a meaningful solution.
No amount of empathy or support is going to change my mind about the adverse effect of permitting Lou to post unfettered. And I have better things to do with my time and energy than throwing both into the dark abyss he's created.
L8r,
Lar
Posted by alexandra_k on August 3, 2013, at 22:41:13
In reply to Re: Lar's excellent post, posted by larry hoover on August 3, 2013, at 22:23:59
aw.
i remember the days when you left because he blocked people.
now you are leaving because he isn't blocking people.?
:-p
Posted by larry hoover on August 3, 2013, at 22:50:35
In reply to Re: Lar's excellent post, posted by alexandra_k on August 3, 2013, at 22:41:13
I drifted back, nostalgic, even wilfully forgetful (it wasn't all good), hoping that maybe the boards had gotten to a better place.
In just a few short minutes, I feel a host of negative emotions, including grief. I'm in mourning, at the moment.
I shall not belabour why that is the case, but it truly is the case.
And I've had enough, already.
G'nite,
Lar
Posted by alexandra_k on August 3, 2013, at 22:58:56
In reply to Re: Lar's excellent post » alexandra_k, posted by larry hoover on August 3, 2013, at 22:50:35
i'm sorry to hear that you are grieving.
well... no, i'm not quite, actually...
sometimes it is good to grieve.
if you wanted to post about it...
it might help.
maybe.
helps me sometimes, anyway.
Posted by SLS on August 4, 2013, at 0:56:41
In reply to Re: Lar's excellent post, posted by alexandra_k on August 3, 2013, at 22:41:13
> aw.
> i remember the days when you left because he blocked people.
> now you are leaving because he isn't blocking people.
>
> ?
>
> :-pThat's pretty funny.
I'd be laughing if it weren't so sad.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2013, at 9:30:41
In reply to Re: Lar's excellent post, posted by larry hoover on August 3, 2013, at 22:23:59
> Why thank you kindly, sweetheart. I do appreciate being missed. And I miss you and others here, as well.
>
> But I see that this board is still the Lou Pilder board. I read some parts of some of the threads, below, and I am utterly disappointed in Dr. Bob, for abdicating responsibility for finding a meaningful solution.
>
> No amount of empathy or support is going to change my mind about the adverse effect of permitting Lou to post unfettered. And I have better things to do with my time and energy than throwing both into the dark abyss he's created.
>
> L8r,
> LarFriends,
It is written above here about me.
I have come here to save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions. What I am posting here is only a small part of what I need to post in order for people that want to be free from depression and addiction be released from the bondage of depression and addiction. This is all because there are prohibitions to me that I am abiding by. So if one wants to write here the word, "unfettered" in relation to what I post here, be advised that the word generally means that there are not restrictions or restraints. Yet today, the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung prevents me from offering those looking for a way out of depression and addiction a way that IMHHHHO could lead them to a new life of light and peace, free from the darkness of addiction and depression.
What is written about me here could IMHO induce hostile or disagreeable opinions or feeling about me here, because you could think that it is true that I am allowed to post "unfettered" here, when in fact there are numerous prohibitions posted to me here By Mr. Hsiung that I am abiding by. This may even decrease the respect, regard or confidence in which I am held. And that I am prohibited to post the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me, that could (redacted by respondent)
One of those prohibitions concerns the notification policy here. Mr Hsiung states that he is not going to respond to "some" of my notifications. Now the notifications are generally for posts that contain what the sender of the notification considers to be either accusative or leads one to feel put down. Mr. Hsiung states that it may be good for him and the community as a whole to not respond to some notifications from me. That could mean that all the years of outstanding notifications from me did have the potential to have alerts to language that could be accusative or could lead one to feel put down. How could that be good for Mr Hsiung or the community as whole? The answer , my friends, is prohibited by me to post here due to the prohibitions posted to me by Mr Hsiung.
This leads to the aspect of what *IS* allowed to be posted unfettered here?
Lou
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 6, 2013, at 4:47:13
In reply to Re: Lar's excellent post, posted by larry hoover on August 3, 2013, at 22:23:59
> I am utterly disappointed in Dr. Bob, for abdicating responsibility for finding a meaningful solution.
For abdicating responsibility or for not finding a solution you consider meaningful?
Bob
Posted by larry hoover on August 6, 2013, at 8:36:32
In reply to Re: Lar's excellent post, posted by Dr. Bob on August 6, 2013, at 4:47:13
> > I am utterly disappointed in Dr. Bob, for abdicating responsibility for finding a meaningful solution.
>
> For abdicating responsibility or for not finding a solution you consider meaningful?
>
> BobBoth variables, Bob. There was no or in my sentence. And for the record, I believe I am not alone in expressing that, based on my reading of this board.
When I saw that this whole thing was ongoing, months after I last posted (which itself was after a long time away), I cried. I cried because Babble is dying.
Lar
Posted by larry hoover on August 6, 2013, at 8:44:34
In reply to Re: Lar's excellent post, posted by Dr. Bob on August 6, 2013, at 4:47:13
P.S. Bob, just what is your plan? I can't put it together, as you speak in riddles. All I know is that "the old model was unsustainable", obviously speaking from your own position.
Please, start a thread where you clearly lay out your new model. Please consider my healthy community structure discussion. You need leadership, clear guidelines, timely enforcement of guidelines, and timely consequences.
So far, all I've seen is a bunch of comments about tolerance, and how hard it's been for you to be between a rock and a hard place.
Lar
Posted by europerep on August 6, 2013, at 16:35:55
In reply to Re: Lar's excellent post » Dr. Bob, posted by larry hoover on August 6, 2013, at 8:36:32
> And for the record, I believe I am not alone in expressing that, based on my reading of this board.
That is correct, although I can only speak for myself of course.
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