Posted by Lou Pilder on December 29, 2012, at 15:09:50
In reply to Lou's reply-phyx, posted by Lou Pilder on December 29, 2012, at 8:54:48
> > > Yes, Lou, I am purposely posting under this subject line. I left this place some time ago because Dr. Bob abdicated his responsibility to us all. Including you, Lou. You should have been banned long ago, and your return should have been conditional.
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> > > I am deeply offended, Lou, that when someone challenges you on other grounds, you try and turn it into an anti-Semitic argument. Playing that card is cheating, Lou. And you know it. I know you know it. As others have stated, ad nauseum, the only reason we know about any of the religious issues you are so offended by is that you constantly breathe them back to life.
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> > > Can you not grasp that there are dogmatic differences between the orthodox beliefs of different religions? And especially so when the different sects and historical documents associated with those human interpretations are taken into account? Psychobabble is incapable of fixing these issues for you. And yet, you generalize your impotent rage upon the entire population of Babble.
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> > > There are two threads here on the Admin page in which you have repeatedly insulted individual posters by calling them anti-Semitic. And those posters I know to be above reproach. That is so offensive, and so uncivil, you should be banned every time you say it. Every time.
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> > > When posters challenge you, Lou, these are the broad issues that I see them challenging. These are the "antis" they're posting about.
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> > > 1. anti-bigotry (defined by Merriam-Webster as "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices"), or in the words of Oliver Wendell Holmes, "The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract."
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> > > Do not try and twist my words, Lou. This meaning, and this meaning only, am I expressing.
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> > > 2. anti-ignorance (defined by Merriam-Webster as "a state defined by a lack of knowledge, education, or awareness").
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> > > Lou, your lack of knowledge of statistics, chemistry, biochemistry, and science in general, is appalling. And yet, you persist in trying to make pseudo-scientific arguments, despite extensive efforts by members of the Babble community to help you to understand your errors.
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> > > 3. anti-illogical (defined by Merrian-Webster as "not observing the principals of logic"). I had to make up a descriptor, but more specifically, I am referring to arguments that are fallacious, inconsequent, or invalid.
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> > > There is no debating you, Lou. You simply restate your ill-reasoned beliefs. Or ignore the debate altogether.
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> > > But of all the things you do, Lou, playing an end around of the rules against posting links to specific websites, by creating google searches which will take an individual to those very sites, that is the most egregious violation of the rules here. People used to get banned in a flash for that. I got banned for linking to a site that I didn't even know had prohibited content on it. Twice. But you get away with intentional sh$t like that?
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> > > You should be banned, Lou. And not allowed to return unless you reform your ways.
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> > > Lar
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> > > Friends,
> > If you are following the ongoing situation here, be advised that I am trying to save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions/addictions, save the lives of innocent people murdered by those in a mind-altered state induced by psychotropic drugs, and to stop the allowing of antisemitic statements to stand here. This is supportive on any forum unless what I am trying to stop is what the forum wants.
> > This brings up as to why there are numerous statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings allowed to stand here, and why there is a post to me by Mr Hsiung that prevents me from posting here the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me. This also brings up as to what is the reason that others want for me to not post here as I do,to seek that the antisemitism is not allowed to stand and to post facts that I think could save lives. These facts are prohibited by Mr Hsiung to me to post here. These prohibitions are mainly only to me, for they are not in the TOS under the faq. And I am following those prohibitions even though Larry and others see that Mr Hsiung is allowing others to defame me here and use me as a scapegoat for their real or imagined ills or their leaving here.
> > If somone here does not want me to post what could save lives, or to try to stop antisemitism from being allowed to stand here, is that a rationale reason to leave a forum of any nature? Those wanting me banned for what I write here do not have to read what I post, for there are numerous other threads for them to be part of, or they could post a response of their own thinking.
> > And when one member posts defamation toward me here and stops, then comes another one just like the other one. And Mr Hsiung is not only allowing it, by the nature of him allowing it, others could think that it is supportive. Antisemitism supportive? Supportive of what? Defamation toward me supportive? All that it takes for antisemitism and defamation to stand is for good members to do nothing.
> > Lou
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> > Friends,
> One of the aspects of my being here is to expose the hatred being promulgated here toward the Jews as well as that if I could do that, lives could be saved. In the statements by Mr Hoover here, along with the gross hostility in his post to me here, one in particular is concerning hatred toward the Jews as statements that can arouse antisemitic feelings are allowed to stand here. His statement is:
> [...psychobabble is incapable of fixing these issues...].
> My friends, Mr Hsiung states that he does not wait to sanction what could start a forest fire or what is not supportive. But there are numerous statements being allowed to stand that are antisemitic that could cause hatred toward the Jews and others as well. In particular, but not limited to ,the one that states that the ONLY reason that people miss out on forgiveness and Eternal Life from God is if they reject Jesus as Lord and Savior. (citation phozdr}.
> The fix is the same fix for other posts that are not supportive, which is for the leader of the community to take the same action as he does for posts that state the {only way} as in that it is not supportive to state {the only way} as it precludes others that are not in the group stated, as in this case the Jews are one of those that are excluded from forgiveness and Eternal Life from God tha do not accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. Jews and Islamic people and a lot of others including atheists do not accept that claim that he poster states as being {the only}.
> This is what discrimination is. And discrimination toward Jews in a community that does not allow the Jew to post the foundation of Judaism as revealed to him, but allows the statement in question, can foster the inducement of hatred toward Jews and me as a Jew here.
> My friends, I have a broad background in research on how hatred is fosterd in a group, and in particular how hatred is fostered toward Jews in a community. These tactics are well-known by psychologists/psychiatrists, which are discrimination, sterotyping, prejudice, and the allowing of intergroup agression.
> The intergroup agression that is plainly visible here toward me is dangerous because the members here take mind-altering drugs. For it is being allowed by Mr Hsiung and he even is in concert with them ecouraging them to offset me and using the epithet {Prince of Death} in relation to me here. This, as I will show later, is an ingrediant for murder as the members here taking mind-altering drugs can have a compeling to kill themselves and/or others induced by the drugs when the ingrediant for murder as agression is fosterd in them in a community.
> Another aspect in the brewing of the culdren of hate that could cause others to commit murder and suicide is when the community promulgates {superiority} as being supportive. This is right here in the allowing of antisemitic statements. These statements can be fixed right now, and I want them fixed right now, so that hatred is stopped toward the Jews and others. You can make a diffrence by posting in the threads here on this board and others where there are outstanding requests from me to Mr Hsiung. That could be a fix and show that {bystander apathy} is not a componant of the membership here.
> There is a lot more to this here that if you could know what I know, your life could be saved, life-ruining conditions could be avoided, addictions could be avoided,children would not have to endure a lifetime of suffereing and addiction from these drugs,or death, and I could tell you how you could overcome addiction and depression and have a new life and sing a new song. But as long as you are led to believe the slogans and propaganda here toward Jews and me as a Jew, there could be the ingrediants for hatred pumped into you to poison your soul and lead you to kill yourself and/or others.
> Lou
> citation phozdr
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080809/msgs/941769.html
> now see[admin,7968] via the search box hereFriends,
Now Mr. Hoover writes here that I am bringing to the attention of the administration and the members and readers that there are statements here that are antisemitic being allowed to stand by Mr. Hsiung and his deputy now and his previous deputies. It really doesn't matter if the statements are in the archives because those statements can still be brought up and seen in a search, which is where a lot of people come to this site from. The antisemitic posts are seen in the present and I consider them to be of great potential harm to Jews and others.
The antisemitic statements allowed to stand can produce hatred as that the statements can cause one to think of the Jew as an enemy, a demon, an inferior race, people that bring disaster to the community, people to be blamed for the death of Christ. This allowing by Mr. Hsiung here of the antisemitic statements to stand causes deep humiliation toward me and dehumanizes me as a Jew here. The insults to Judaism that go along with Mr. Hsiung allowing the antisemitism can induce more hatred toward Jews and me as a Jew by him being the authority figure here so that others could think that the hatred is supportive. I am prohibited, no less, by Mr Hsiung from posting the historical parallels to the authoritaive prohibitions to me here by him which allows him to control the content which limits the potential of the resistance to the aganda that is plainly visible. The use of pressure to expel and the repression of information that could stop the antisemitism from being allowed to stand, opens the door to an indoctrination that the historical record shows.
The harm to Jews is forseeable, for there is a huge body of research concerning how hatred is promulgated in a community by the leaders. The first step in inducing hatred into the members is to allow the Jews to have posts about them that degrade, humiliate and dehumainze them.
Here is one such:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/428781.html
This allowing of the hate in the post toward Jews then leads to insulting Judaism itself.
Here is one such post: To see the hate, look at the 2end list called the top 10... , number 5
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20040729/msgs/378930.html
Then the leader can be in concert with the members, which could foster attitudes in the members consistant with the leader's wishes. And that the leader says that he will appreciate members trusting him in that he is doing what will be good for the community as a whole, then members could think that they are plesasing him in going along with him to allow the antisemitic statements to stand.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20060614/msgs/735373.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1029332.html
This then could have the potential for members to think that it is justifiable for them to post hostility and scapegoating and insults to me here. What is allowed to stand about the Jews of hate here can get into the frail minds of those that take mind-altering drugs. The influence into members here that degrades Jews could be another ingrediant in the keddle that brews the poison of hate that induces violence and suicide and murder.
Lou
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URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1034151.html