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Posted by Lou Pilder on January 8, 2013, at 17:25:29
In reply to Re: In memory of Maxime, posted by 10derheart on January 8, 2013, at 1:39:38
> Phillipa,
>
> Don't you think that if Dr. Bob wanted to share such sensitive and private details, he probably would have done so in his initial post? He normally says what he has carefully decided to say, especially in matters as serious as a poster's death, and then no more.
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> Do you really imagine he will answer questions about this here? I don't.
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> Why don't you email him if you have questions? I don't mean to be difficult or to pick on you, but Dr. Bob asked if we could remember and say goodbye, not discuss this aspect.
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> I find these questions jarring to read here.
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> 10,
You wrote the above. What you have posted to Phillipa is known in the world of psychology as a self-rightious discharge of aggression toward her. She may not see it that way, and you also may not see it that way. But look at what you have done.
You have posted what could lead phillipa to feel accused and/or put down. Your post attacks her humanity, for she was only asking for where she could also find out if Mr Hsiung would reveal such. This could be an obituary or some other record that Phillipa could then access for her own reason(s), which could be good reasons, and you have posted what could cast her in a false light, defaming her and this is not a sound mental-health practice.
Yet today, Mr Hsiung allows you to post the hostility and what is like a scolding in public.
One can not judge Phillipa's motives in what she requested. And to do so is a flagrent disregard for her human rights.
It is said that one can not post about another's post here in critiscism. Yet today, Mr Hsiung allows you to do just that. But I say to you, judge not, that you not be judged. And why behold you the mote that is in another member's eye, but consider not the beam in your own eye? First cast out the beam out of your own eye and then shall you see clearly to cast out the mote out of another's eye.
Phillipa, I'm sorry if you felt hurt.
Lou
Posted by 10derheart on January 8, 2013, at 17:25:30
In reply to Lou's response-hihpohkrt » 10derheart, posted by Lou Pilder on January 8, 2013, at 15:50:35
Lou,
Where does the Society of Hypocrisy hold its meetings? I'm sure you know as you are the president.
I try not to point to others' bad behavior when they accuse me of behaving badly,since that in itself can be pretty hypocritical and senseless, but with you I will make an exception. I've had it with you trolling threads here.
Phillipa can tell me how she feels. You are not her spokesman. Keep your psychological evaluations to yourself.
Posted by Beckett on January 8, 2013, at 17:25:30
In reply to Lou's response-hihpohkrt » 10derheart, posted by Lou Pilder on January 8, 2013, at 15:50:35
Hi Lou,
Do you remember any of Maxime's kind and friendly posts to you? I was up last night reading the archives and came across a number of them. She was very respectful of you, and from what I could tell, appreciated you as a community member. Can we honor her memory? She was a wonderful woman.
Posted by gardenergirl on January 8, 2013, at 17:31:11
In reply to Re: Lou's response-hihpohkrt » Lou Pilder, posted by 10derheart on January 8, 2013, at 17:25:30
Posted by Beckett on January 8, 2013, at 17:38:40
In reply to Lou's response-hihpohkrt » 10derheart, posted by Lou Pilder on January 8, 2013, at 17:25:29
Posted by Phillipa on January 8, 2013, at 18:08:47
In reply to Lou's response-hihpohkrt » 10derheart, posted by Lou Pilder on January 8, 2013, at 17:25:29
Thanks Lou for defending me and you are correct normally when a person becomes deceased the family submitts an obituirary to a newspaper or other. Since It was stated she left this world quite a while ago how come we didn't know til now? In other words where did the info come from. How do we know it is true? After all not all things one reads on the internet are correct are they Lou? Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on January 8, 2013, at 18:14:53
In reply to Re: Lou's response-hihpohkrt » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on January 8, 2013, at 18:08:47
In a way this reminds me of what happened in Sandy Hook Ct at the school. What if the media had just said 26 children were killed? Would we learn anything which might prevent this from occurring again. I knew Maxime pretty well and she posted of anorexia, hospitalizations, and suicide attempts like jumping off a bridge. So to know could help this not happen again. And others could learn. I think Maxime would have wanted this. Just my opinion. Phillipa
Posted by SLS on January 8, 2013, at 19:15:10
In reply to Re: Reminds me of Sandy Hook Newtown CT, posted by Phillipa on January 8, 2013, at 18:14:53
> In a way this reminds me of what happened in Sandy Hook Ct at the school.
You chose a rather provocative analogy. Do you think that you are perhaps minimizing the loss and misfortune of of Newtown by comparing it to the situation you currently find yourself in?
In a way, this reminds me of what happens here when there are claims made of antisemitism.
Bad choice.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on January 8, 2013, at 19:23:13
In reply to Lou's response-hihpohkrt » 10derheart, posted by Lou Pilder on January 8, 2013, at 17:25:29
> What you have posted to Phillipa is known in the world of psychology as a self-rightious discharge of aggression toward her.
What you have posted to 10derHeart is known in the world of psychology as a self-righteous discharge of aggression toward her.
You are very angry.
You use antisemitism as a scapegoat.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on January 8, 2013, at 19:25:11
In reply to Re: Lou's response-hihpohkrt » Lou Pilder, posted by 10derheart on January 8, 2013, at 17:25:30
:-)
- Scott
Posted by 10derheart on January 8, 2013, at 20:22:44
In reply to Re: Reminds me of Sandy Hook Newtown CT, posted by Phillipa on January 8, 2013, at 18:14:53
Now I am certainly going to throw up.
Right after I give up.
I'm sorry to (almost) everyone...especially to maxime's soul.
But we all have our limits and apparently I've reached mine.
(Thanks for moving these posts, Dr. Bob. Not for my sake, but for decency's sake....which I hurt by choosing an improper time and place.)
Posted by Phillipa on January 8, 2013, at 21:11:03
In reply to Re: Reminds me of Sandy Hook Newtown CT » Phillipa, posted by 10derheart on January 8, 2013, at 20:22:44
Go ahead and continue to misinterpret what I write. It doesn't matter. I actually laugh at what I see written. I interpret things my way continue to interpret your way. There are no winners in this discussion I'm out of it carry on. Phillipa
Posted by gardenergirl on January 8, 2013, at 21:19:16
In reply to Re: Lou's response-hihpohkrt » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on January 8, 2013, at 18:08:47
> normally when a person becomes deceased the family submitts an obituirary to a newspaper or other.
Which they did. That doesn't mean that it must be posted here, where she used a pseudonym to protect her identity.
> Since It was stated she left this world quite a while ago how come we didn't know til now?
You are not entitled to know everything about everyone instantly. Get used to disappointment.
> In other words where did the info come from. How do we know it is true?
It's up to you to decide what you want to believe. It would be pretty f*ck*ng cruel of Dr. Bob to post random, non-credible information of this magnitude. And given he so seldom posts, it would be even more ridiculous to think that he'd go out of his way to post gossip or lies when he doesn't even keep up with the normal demands of this site. But believe in the ridiculous if that's what you wish.
We all grieve in our own way, but frankly, the way that involves gossip, conspiracy theories, and/or a demand and/or expectation to know personal, private information when it is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS kind of pisses me off.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on January 8, 2013, at 21:19:43
In reply to You are loved. » 10derheart, posted by SLS on January 8, 2013, at 19:25:11
Posted by corkskru on January 8, 2013, at 22:07:12
In reply to Lord, the entitlement! » Phillipa, posted by gardenergirl on January 8, 2013, at 21:19:16
I can't believe that Dr. Bob is a real person by the things/ experiments that have gone on here over the years ( and sure many questioned where the voice of reason would present itself)
I had the fortunate experience of emailing with Maxime a few years ago(I called her "T") and she had many things in her life that were extremely difficult to go through/experience. I lost contact with her and I would think if there was anything that could be learned from her passing she would want it shared if it could help anyone traveling down a similar path; she had so much to give.
I never heard anything from her for a few years so I can't say for sure this is 100% true but for the sake of argument, let us believe she is in a much better place but not forget her and get distracted by petty fighting. Each has their own way of dealing with tragedy and there is no correct way and to critique individual human reaction PISSES ME OFF!
Posted by gardenergirl on January 8, 2013, at 22:26:41
In reply to Re: Lord, the entitlement!, posted by corkskru on January 8, 2013, at 22:07:12
> I can't believe that Dr. Bob is a real person by the things/ experiments that have gone on here over the years
You would think after all this time, the mind wouldn't boggle. And yet, the mind boggles.
Posted by 10derheart on January 9, 2013, at 1:29:41
In reply to You are loved. » 10derheart, posted by SLS on January 8, 2013, at 19:25:11
That's kind....but I don't deserve it. I'm not feeling or behaving lovably or lovingly, obviously. And I know it's wrong anf I just can't care.
I never meant for any sides to be taken or whatever this devolved into so quickly. I just wondered about the nature of a post and had alternative suggestions and then was more blunt than usual....and uncivil, I suppose. But when there are no rules and no moderation....I joined the wild, wild, west, too :-(
Anyway....you're a lovely man, Scott. Bless you.
Posted by 10derheart on January 9, 2013, at 1:31:43
In reply to Re: You are loved. Ditto! (nm), posted by gardenergirl on January 8, 2013, at 21:19:43
Posted by SLS on January 9, 2013, at 3:35:24
In reply to Re: You are loved. » SLS, posted by 10derheart on January 9, 2013, at 1:29:41
> That's kind....but I don't deserve it.
Well, that's one thing that is not entirely within your power to impress upon others. I think you *do* deserve it, and I doubt there is anything you can say that would change my mind. Besides, what are you going to do about it - beat me up? Ha!
> I'm not feeling or behaving lovably or lovingly,
Do you hold yourself responsible to act like a saint all of the time? First of all, that would be an unreasonable expectation to have of yourself. Leave perfection for those who already fill the position. Have some fun! Be serious! Be 10derHeart! I like when your emotions show through. They make you a particularly interesting and lovable person. I always learn to be more tolerant and kinder when I read your posts. That being said, it is not your job to be tolerant and kind. It might be a good thing to be intolerant and unkind when conditions exist that you feel strongly about and would like to see changed. If never an unkind word were said, society wouldn't work.
Venting is okay, too. It is human. It is good to be human. Apologies were invented for a reason, but just don't overuse them. It takes a certain amount of courage and self-esteem to assert your own reactions and opinions. It is not a sign of weakness. It can help promote a better world.
> I never meant for any sides to be taken or whatever this devolved into so quickly.
Hey. It is what it is. You can't be responsible for the minds and behaviors of others. Perhaps the best you can do is to allow others to take responsibility for themselves.
Some people are very uncomfortable witnessing confrontation and anger, even when they are not a participant. They want to hurry up and put the fire out, particularly if they feel that they started it.
Perfectionism is no fun, particularly if you intend on doing it perfectly.
> Anyway....you're a lovely man, Scott. Bless you.
That was such a soothing thing for you to say. Thank you.
I am not trying to tell you who you should be or what you should do. I have selfish reasons for wanting to see you post more often. I like you. However, it might really be outside the boundaries you choose to draw for yourself to say the things you said to Phillipa. Perhaps you violated one of your policies. That would be a good reason to reflect upon your thoughts, feelings, and behaviors. Make amends if you feel that would settle things in a way that would preserve or enhance your self-esteem. As for me, I don't like to allow other people's angry reactions to what I say or do to dissuade me from asserting my own opinions. There are numerous times when I will keep those opinions to myself, but not deny myself the permission to have them. When I am wrong, I try to acknowledge this, learn from it, and apologize to others if that feels right to me. For the most part, I try not to apologize for the sole reason of avoiding disapproval. Some things are better left unsaid. The cost is too high and the potential benefit too low. In this situation, I think the potential benefit was moderately high and the cost moderately low. But that's just me. I'm glad you said something.
10derHeart, you are still growing.
Have a great rest of your life!
:-)
- Scott
Posted by SLS on January 9, 2013, at 3:41:19
In reply to Thanks, tho undeserved today. Hugs to you, gg. (nm) » gardenergirl, posted by 10derheart on January 9, 2013, at 1:31:43
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 9, 2013, at 16:08:21
In reply to Re: Lou's response-hihpohkrt » Lou Pilder, posted by 10derheart on January 8, 2013, at 17:25:30
> Lou,
>
> Where does the Society of Hypocrisy hold its meetings? I'm sure you know as you are the president.
>
> I try not to point to others' bad behavior when they accuse me of behaving badly,since that in itself can be pretty hypocritical and senseless, but with you I will make an exception. I've had it with you trolling threads here.
>
> Phillipa can tell me how she feels. You are not her spokesman. Keep your psychological evaluations to yourself.10_
What you did to Phillipa is to attack her and like the Rodney King situation, she was beaten on the ground and kicked and had no way to defend from the hate posted toward her here.
I came here to save lives. And I saw you beating Phillipa, and I came to her rescue to stop the beating. That is supportive wherever one goes, unless the beating is not wanted to be stopped. But when you again try to humiliate someone, just remember that I'll be there. And if you ever again try to beliitle someone here, remember that I'll be there. And if you ever again try to use this forum to bully someone, remember, I'll be there. And when there is The Judgement, and you have not apologised for the hate posted to Phillipa, remember, I'll be there.
And when you ever again try to vilify someone, I'll be there. There is the concept of {The Good Sumaritan}, which is law in my jusisdiction. I came to Phillipa's aid because it is my duty to do so, just if I saw someone whipping a dog, I would come to the dog's aid. How much more is Phillipa's importance here as a human being than a dog? Do you think that I do not give her more importance?
I posted here as {in loco moderatori} which is allowed here under the rules. Mr Hsiung has a procedure to follow as per the notification procedure. But there are years of outstanding notifications from me to Mr Hsiung. So I became in loco moderatori to save Phillpa from what you posted to her that could induce such horrible feelings as to induce suicidal thoughts. I have seen this over and over here by the bullies that Mr Hsiung allows to attack certain people, myself included. But I can overcome anyone's ignorance, but I am not sure that Phillpa has the knowledge to do so or not. But I am not going to take that risk to allow you to inflict such emotional distress upon anyone. You were a deputy, so you know better.
Lou
Posted by gardenergirl on January 9, 2013, at 20:41:14
In reply to Lou's response-ewnohbedder » 10derheart, posted by Lou Pilder on January 9, 2013, at 16:08:21
Posted by gardenergirl on January 9, 2013, at 20:42:53
In reply to Lou's response-ewnohbedder » 10derheart, posted by Lou Pilder on January 9, 2013, at 16:08:21
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 9, 2013, at 21:13:02
In reply to Lord, the entitlement! » Phillipa, posted by gardenergirl on January 8, 2013, at 21:19:16
> > normally when a person becomes deceased the family submitts an obituirary to a newspaper or other.
>
> Which they did. That doesn't mean that it must be posted here, where she used a pseudonym to protect her identity.
>
> > Since It was stated she left this world quite a while ago how come we didn't know til now?
>
> You are not entitled to know everything about everyone instantly. Get used to disappointment.
>
> > In other words where did the info come from. How do we know it is true?
>
> It's up to you to decide what you want to believe. It would be pretty f*ck*ng cruel of Dr. Bob to post random, non-credible information of this magnitude. And given he so seldom posts, it would be even more ridiculous to think that he'd go out of his way to post gossip or lies when he doesn't even keep up with the normal demands of this site. But believe in the ridiculous if that's what you wish.
>
> We all grieve in our own way, but frankly, the way that involves gossip, conspiracy theories, and/or a demand and/or expectation to know personal, private information when it is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS kind of pisses me off.
>
> gggg,
You wrote,
[...that doesn't mean that it has to be posted here (the obituary)...]
Friends, Phillipa in her post only asked how the death was known, she did not ask for the obituary to be posted here, if there was one that came to Mr Hsiung's attention.
Friends, be not deceived. Phillpa is not to be vilified for asking how the death came to Mr. Hsiung's attention. Someone could have emailed him with that informtion. He could have emailed her and was informed of her death by a survivor and other possibilities. It is not a crime to ask. It is not a crime to be concerned. And if asking is an offense, then it is a greater offense to ridicule one for asking what they think is something important to them, regardless of what spin could be put on the request.
My friends, I ask you to use some critical thinking here. Gardenergirl states here that Phillipa is not entitled to know. But she could ask, for there is the possibility that Mr Hsiung could reply to Phillipa with something like,[...I was sent the obituary and verified it...]. Phillipa did not ask for it to be posted.
The world of psychology calls what gardenergirl posted to Pillipa, [a transparent attempt to elevate one's self-esteem by demeaning what another wrote, when there was nothing that the other wrote to justify such].
I see right through what gardenergirl wrote to Phillipa and what gardenergirl wrote demeans Phillipa by attempting to cast Philipa in a false light. But you may not be of the knowledge to see what is plainly visible to me here in gardenergirl's post about Phillip. There is the self-rightious statement by gardenergirl to Phillipa accusing Phillipa of wanting to know "private information". Phillipa did not want or ask for private information for Mr Hsiung opened the door concerning the death of the member and all Phillipa did was walk in. And the gardengirl states that {it} is none of Phillipa's business. And that gardenergirl is POed. Really? Now gardenergirl is using Phillipa as a scapegoat for her real or imagined state of being POed. Oh, the awfullness of the defamation here toward one that just asks. Woe to those that use others as an outlet for their real or imagined state.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on January 9, 2013, at 21:38:06
In reply to Lou's response-wohtudohz » gardenergirl, posted by Lou Pilder on January 9, 2013, at 21:13:02
Lou no one could have interpreted what I asked better than you. Thanks you are awesome. Yes the information was posted I aked and it was and is demeaning. And agree Dr Bob Could have clarified how he received the information. Phillipa
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