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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by SLS on November 24, 2012, at 13:44:37
In reply to Lou's reply-gauxehywehy » Willful, posted by Lou PIlder on November 23, 2012, at 11:17:35
> The antisemitic posts are those that Mr Hsiung agrees could lead a Jew to feel put down.
No. This does not follow from logic.
I am a Jew, and have had others' remarks lead me to feel put down. These remarks have not been antisemitic.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 24, 2012, at 16:40:51
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-gauxehywehy » Lou PIlder, posted by SLS on November 24, 2012, at 13:44:37
> > The antisemitic posts are those that Mr Hsiung agrees could lead a Jew to feel put down.
>
> No. This does not follow from logic.
>
> I am a Jew, and have had others' remarks lead me to feel put down. These remarks have not been antisemitic.
>
>
> - ScottScott,
You wrote the above. I am unsure as to what you want to mean here. If you could view the posts in the following links, I intend to post more to your post and would like the content in the post read by you.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041218/msgs/439314.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20110321/msgs/952241.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 24, 2012, at 16:45:59
In reply to Lou's reply-atisemitism defined here » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on November 24, 2012, at 16:40:51
> > > The antisemitic posts are those that Mr Hsiung agrees could lead a Jew to feel put down.
> >
> > No. This does not follow from logic.
> >
> > I am a Jew, and have had others' remarks lead me to feel put down. These remarks have not been antisemitic.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Scott,
> You wrote the above. I am unsure as to what you want to mean here. If you could view the posts in the following links, I intend to post more to your post and would like the content in the post read by you.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041218/msgs/439314.html
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20110321/msgs/952241.html
>correction
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20100321/msgs/952241,html
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 24, 2012, at 16:49:32
In reply to correction- Lou's reply-atisemitism defined here, posted by Lou Pilder on November 24, 2012, at 16:45:59
> > > > The antisemitic posts are those that Mr Hsiung agrees could lead a Jew to feel put down.
> > >
> > > No. This does not follow from logic.
> > >
> > > I am a Jew, and have had others' remarks lead me to feel put down. These remarks have not been antisemitic.
> > >
> > >
> > > - Scott
> >
> > Scott,
> > You wrote the above. I am unsure as to what you want to mean here. If you could view the posts in the following links, I intend to post more to your post and would like the content in the post read by you.
> > Lou
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041218/msgs/439314.html
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20110321/msgs/952241.html
> >
>
> correction
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20100321/msgs/952241,html
2correction:http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20100321/msgs/952241.html
Posted by Willful on November 26, 2012, at 10:30:45
In reply to Lou's reply-atisemitism defined here » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on November 24, 2012, at 16:40:51
Lou,
I'll respond with my logic about Scott's post, and the first of the posts that you cited.
1. Scott seems to be saying that you can be hurt by statements that are not anti-semitic, and be Jewish..
That is, not all statements that hurt someone Jewish are anti-semitic. Some are criticisms about other things.
Example: for example, a teacher could say a paper of mine wasn't good, when I was in school-- and I could have been hurt by it. That would be a hurtful statement, that has nothing to do with my being Jewish. ~~ Therefore it would not be anti-semitic. ~~
-~~Only if the statement attacks Jews or Jewishness FOR their Jewishness, is it anti-semitic. ~~
2. About the first link you gave:Bob is saying that anti-semitic posts will be treated in the same way that other uncivil posts are treated.
He's not saying that any post that's uncivil toward someone Jewish is therefore anti-semitic.
a. Anti-semitic posts are a class of uncivil posts;
b. Bob does not mean that all uncivil posts to any Jewish person are, by being to a Jewish person, anti-semitic.
Does that make sense?
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 26, 2012, at 14:41:14
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-atisemitism defined here, posted by Willful on November 26, 2012, at 10:30:45
> Lou,
>
> I'll respond with my logic about Scott's post, and the first of the posts that you cited.
>
> 1. Scott seems to be saying that you can be hurt by statements that are not anti-semitic, and be Jewish..
>
> That is, not all statements that hurt someone Jewish are anti-semitic. Some are criticisms about other things.
>
> Example: for example, a teacher could say a paper of mine wasn't good, when I was in school-- and I could have been hurt by it. That would be a hurtful statement, that has nothing to do with my being Jewish. ~~ Therefore it would not be anti-semitic. ~~
>
> -~~Only if the statement attacks Jews or Jewishness FOR their Jewishness, is it anti-semitic. ~~
>
>
> 2. About the first link you gave:
>
> Bob is saying that anti-semitic posts will be treated in the same way that other uncivil posts are treated.
>
> He's not saying that any post that's uncivil toward someone Jewish is therefore anti-semitic.
>
> a. Anti-semitic posts are a class of uncivil posts;
>
> b. Bob does not mean that all uncivil posts to any Jewish person are, by being to a Jewish person, anti-semitic.
>
> Does that make sense?
>
> Willful,
There are many more definitions of antisemitism other than what Mr Hsiung has agreed upon here. There is also antisemitism as being policy in a group or country or community etc made by the leader, government laws, etc.
Here is an article that I would like interested discussants to read.
Lou
To see this article
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[Definitions of Anti-Semitism, defantis]
usually first, but look for {defantis} if not first.
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 26, 2012, at 14:41:28
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-atisemitism defined here, posted by Willful on November 26, 2012, at 10:30:45
> Lou,
>
> I'll respond with my logic about Scott's post, and the first of the posts that you cited.
>
> 1. Scott seems to be saying that you can be hurt by statements that are not anti-semitic, and be Jewish..
>
> That is, not all statements that hurt someone Jewish are anti-semitic. Some are criticisms about other things.
>
> Example: for example, a teacher could say a paper of mine wasn't good, when I was in school-- and I could have been hurt by it. That would be a hurtful statement, that has nothing to do with my being Jewish. ~~ Therefore it would not be anti-semitic. ~~
>
> -~~Only if the statement attacks Jews or Jewishness FOR their Jewishness, is it anti-semitic. ~~
>
>
> 2. About the first link you gave:
>
> Bob is saying that anti-semitic posts will be treated in the same way that other uncivil posts are treated.
>
> He's not saying that any post that's uncivil toward someone Jewish is therefore anti-semitic.
>
> a. Anti-semitic posts are a class of uncivil posts;
>
> b. Bob does not mean that all uncivil posts to any Jewish person are, by being to a Jewish person, anti-semitic.
>
> Does that make sense?
>
> Willful,
There are many more definitions of antisemitism other than what Mr Hsiung has agreed upon here. There is also antisemitism as being policy in a group or country or community etc made by the leader, government laws, etc.
Here is an article that I would like interested discussants to read.
Lou
To see this article
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[Definitions of Anti-Semitism, defantis]
usually first, but look for {defantis} if not first.
Posted by Willful on November 27, 2012, at 9:55:09
In reply to Lou's reply-atisemitism in a community » Willful, posted by Lou Pilder on November 26, 2012, at 14:41:28
True, there are many definitions of anti-semitism. But the issue was the definition that you're using and applying to babble, and how you think about it.
I may be wrong about Scott's viewpoint. Perhaps he'll address the issue at some other time.
But my point was, to what extent does YOUR definition focus on the idea that a negative comment about you or someone Jewish is about their Jewishness, as opposed to being a hurtful, or critical, or even unfair comment?
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 27, 2012, at 15:37:25
In reply to Re: Lou's reply anti-semitism in a community, posted by Willful on November 27, 2012, at 9:55:09
> True, there are many definitions of anti-semitism. But the issue was the definition that you're using and applying to babble, and how you think about it.
>
> I may be wrong about Scott's viewpoint. Perhaps he'll address the issue at some other time.
>
> But my point was, to what extent does YOUR definition focus on the idea that a negative comment about you or someone Jewish is about their Jewishness, as opposed to being a hurtful, or critical, or even unfair comment?Willfull,
The answer is that it depends. It depends on what's goin' on in relation to what is posted to me here. There can be a test to determine if the statement is antisemitic or just plain hate. If you could post a link to a post that is allowable here that you would like to be in discussion, I think that could be a way to explain such.
Lou
Posted by SLS on December 4, 2012, at 6:57:31
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-atisemitism defined here, posted by Willful on November 26, 2012, at 10:30:45
Hi Willful.
Yes. This is precisely the point I was trying to make. You explained it much better than I did.
- Scott---------------------------------
> I'll respond with my logic about Scott's post, and the first of the posts that you cited.
>
> 1. Scott seems to be saying that you can be hurt by statements that are not anti-semitic, and be Jewish..
>
> That is, not all statements that hurt someone Jewish are anti-semitic. Some are criticisms about other things.
>
> Example: for example, a teacher could say a paper of mine wasn't good, when I was in school-- and I could have been hurt by it. That would be a hurtful statement, that has nothing to do with my being Jewish. ~~ Therefore it would not be anti-semitic. ~~
>
> -~~Only if the statement attacks Jews or Jewishness FOR their Jewishness, is it anti-semitic. ~~
>
>
> 2. About the first link you gave:
>
> Bob is saying that anti-semitic posts will be treated in the same way that other uncivil posts are treated.
>
> He's not saying that any post that's uncivil toward someone Jewish is therefore anti-semitic.
>
> a. Anti-semitic posts are a class of uncivil posts;
>
> b. Bob does not mean that all uncivil posts to any Jewish person are, by being to a Jewish person, anti-semitic.
>
> Does that make sense?
>
>
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 6, 2012, at 20:54:10
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-atisemitism defined here, posted by Willful on November 26, 2012, at 10:30:45
> Lou,
>
> I'll respond with my logic about Scott's post, and the first of the posts that you cited.
>
> 1. Scott seems to be saying that you can be hurt by statements that are not anti-semitic, and be Jewish..
>
> That is, not all statements that hurt someone Jewish are anti-semitic. Some are criticisms about other things.
>
> Example: for example, a teacher could say a paper of mine wasn't good, when I was in school-- and I could have been hurt by it. That would be a hurtful statement, that has nothing to do with my being Jewish. ~~ Therefore it would not be anti-semitic. ~~
>
> -~~Only if the statement attacks Jews or Jewishness FOR their Jewishness, is it anti-semitic. ~~
>
>
> 2. About the first link you gave:
>
> Bob is saying that anti-semitic posts will be treated in the same way that other uncivil posts are treated.
>
> He's not saying that any post that's uncivil toward someone Jewish is therefore anti-semitic.
>
> a. Anti-semitic posts are a class of uncivil posts;
>
> b. Bob does not mean that all uncivil posts to any Jewish person are, by being to a Jewish person, anti-semitic.
>
> Does that make sense?
>
> Willful,
You wrote,
[...Only if a statement attacks Jews or Jewishness FOR their Jewishness, is it anti-Semitic...].
Let us look at this post, posted to me by Mr Hsiung. Does your criteria fit in the statement to me by Mr Hsiung as attacking my Jewishness? If not, and you can post your rationale for such, then I could respond to you.
Lou
To see this post:
A. Go to the bottom of this page and type n the search box:
[admin,7968]
If more than one, look for the 7968 in the colored strip
Posted by AnnaKarenina on December 9, 2012, at 9:45:14
In reply to Dr Bob, ban Lou (yes, I'm pretty direct), posted by Phil on October 28, 2012, at 21:14:35
Sure don't want to get involved in that mess again--but when I left Babble in about '05, one important reason was that one person's post were proliferating, and weren't helpful or supportive to others but focused only on self. Again and again and again. Dr. Bob chose not to ban, for whatever reason, and I was too raw to ignore. Babble felt like a treasure, a home, I wanted to protect.
I've come back for the amazing knowledge here. Just to add .... there's nothing new in the current complaints and struggles, whether over this person or Civility, etc. --tho it appears Dr. B. has absconded! Temporarily?
There's nothing like this on the web. Hope the rumors of its demise are only that.
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 9, 2012, at 17:18:50
In reply to Re: Dr Bob, ban Lou (yes, I'm pretty direct), posted by AnnaKarenina on December 9, 2012, at 9:45:14
> Sure don't want to get involved in that mess again--but when I left Babble in about '05, one important reason was that one person's post were proliferating, and weren't helpful or supportive to others but focused only on self. Again and again and again. Dr. Bob chose not to ban, for whatever reason, and I was too raw to ignore. Babble felt like a treasure, a home, I wanted to protect.
>
> I've come back for the amazing knowledge here. Just to add .... there's nothing new in the current complaints and struggles, whether over this person or Civility, etc. --tho it appears Dr. B. has absconded! Temporarily?
>
> There's nothing like this on the web. Hope the rumors of its demise are only that.A_K,
You used the subject line as ;
[...Dr Bob, (redacted by respondent) Lou...]
Now it is in the past practice here that if you use the same subject line from a previous post, that you agree with what that subject line wrote.
But there are some aspects here that could complicate this situation. First, Mr Hsiung is allowing the original poster of the subject line to post it without sanction. Thearfore, since he also states that support takes precedence, then one could think that the original subject line is supportive. That means that you could post it also as being supportive here since Mr Hsiung also states that he does what in his thinking will be good for this community as a whole.
Now by Mr Hsiung allowing the statement in the subject line, others could think that he is encouraging members to defame me here, since the call for my expulsion could lead others to think of me in a false light and that I am causing some type of harm to the community which is nothing more that using me as a scapegoat, is is not?
But I am not harming anyone here, and in fact, there are others that recognise my work here as supportive to save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions and lead people to a way out of depression and addiction.
There are parents looking in here to make a more informed decision as to drug their child or not in collaboration with a psychiatrist. My work may be what you want to be disallowed, for you say that what I post {...wern't helpful or supportive to others...} and thearfore I should be expelled from the community.
But who are you to speak for all the mothers and fathers that read this site where mind-altering drugs that could cause death, cause suicidal thinking, could cause homocidal thinking, could cause addiction and a lifetime of sorrow from tardive dyskinesia, diabetes, depressioon and such. Could not them be supported by what I write? Let them read from me and you can ignore what I write if you like, you do not have to read what I post.
What I have been posting here comes from a Jewish perspective, which is prohibited by Mr Hsiung as that I am prohibited from posting here the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me. But others can post the foundation of Christiandom as that Jews and all others that do not accept the claim of Christiandom that the poster says that the bible says, (does it?), will not have Eternal Life or forgiveness, because they did not accept Jesus. That means that the 1 1/2 million Jewish children murdered by the (redacted by respondent) and has been declared a crime against humanity, will not have eternal life or forgivness from God because they were Jews that do not accept that claim of many Christiandom sects. Mr Hsiung states that it is OK to post that statement which can be found on the admin board with my outstanding request to Mr Hsiung as to if he thearfore considers the statement ot be supportive since he states that it is OK to post it here.
Now as for me being used as a scapegoat by you in that you wrote something that could be thought that,[...one important reason (you leaving in 05} was because of my posting here...], be advised that just because Mr Hsiung is allowing you to post such, that does not mean that it could not cause the deaths of others by others seeing me in a false light and discounting what I write by the defamation involved in the concept of scapegoating. Scapegoating is an unsoud mental-health practice that has resulted in the deaths of millions of inocent Jews and others. IMHO, it is in the top 10 worst things that one could post on a mental-health forum. I can not fathom how anyone could say that they left this forum because of me in any way. Your asking for Mr Hsiung to expel me from here has no basis for rationality, for the forum is for support and education which I am prohibited from posting here by Mr Hsiung that INHO could save lives if members here were allowed to know what I am prohibited from posting here.
You can post here for others to take drugs together that could cause death, but I can not post here what I thunk could give life and life more abumndantly. You can slander me here, but I say to you that not one stone that is thrown at me here will not return to those that throw those stones at me, in a way that I hope the God of Abraham Issac and Jacob forgives them, for they know not what they do.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on December 9, 2012, at 19:56:58
In reply to Re: Dr Bob, ban Lou (yes, I'm pretty direct), posted by AnnaKarenina on December 9, 2012, at 9:45:14
Sorry to say they are true about Bob not being here and also loss of Deputies. But are you serious the same was going on then? Wow sometimes things just don't change. Phillipa
Posted by larryhoover on December 27, 2012, at 10:35:34
In reply to Dr Bob, ban Lou (yes, I'm pretty direct), posted by Phil on October 28, 2012, at 21:14:35
Yes, Lou, I am purposely posting under this subject line. I left this place some time ago because Dr. Bob abdicated his responsibility to us all. Including you, Lou. You should have been banned long ago, and your return should have been conditional.
I am deeply offended, Lou, that when someone challenges you on other grounds, you try and turn it into an anti-Semitic argument. Playing that card is cheating, Lou. And you know it. I know you know it. As others have stated, ad nauseum, the only reason we know about any of the religious issues you are so offended by is that you constantly breathe them back to life.
Can you not grasp that there are dogmatic differences between the orthodox beliefs of different religions? And especially so when the different sects and historical documents associated with those human interpretations are taken into account? Psychobabble is incapable of fixing these issues for you. And yet, you generalize your impotent rage upon the entire population of Babble.
There are two threads here on the Admin page in which you have repeatedly insulted individual posters by calling them anti-Semitic. And those posters I know to be above reproach. That is so offensive, and so uncivil, you should be banned every time you say it. Every time.
When posters challenge you, Lou, these are the broad issues that I see them challenging. These are the "antis" they're posting about.
1. anti-bigotry (defined by Merriam-Webster as "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices"), or in the words of Oliver Wendell Holmes, "The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract."
Do not try and twist my words, Lou. This meaning, and this meaning only, am I expressing.
2. anti-ignorance (defined by Merriam-Webster as "a state defined by a lack of knowledge, education, or awareness").
Lou, your lack of knowledge of statistics, chemistry, biochemistry, and science in general, is appalling. And yet, you persist in trying to make pseudo-scientific arguments, despite extensive efforts by members of the Babble community to help you to understand your errors.
3. anti-illogical (defined by Merrian-Webster as "not observing the principals of logic"). I had to make up a descriptor, but more specifically, I am referring to arguments that are fallacious, inconsequent, or invalid.
There is no debating you, Lou. You simply restate your ill-reasoned beliefs. Or ignore the debate altogether.
But of all the things you do, Lou, playing an end around of the rules against posting links to specific websites, by creating google searches which will take an individual to those very sites, that is the most egregious violation of the rules here. People used to get banned in a flash for that. I got banned for linking to a site that I didn't even know had prohibited content on it. Twice. But you get away with intentional sh$t like that?
You should be banned, Lou. And not allowed to return unless you reform your ways.
Lar
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 27, 2012, at 16:14:27
In reply to Re: Dr Bob, ban Lou (yes, I'm pretty direct), posted by larryhoover on December 27, 2012, at 10:35:34
> Yes, Lou, I am purposely posting under this subject line. I left this place some time ago because Dr. Bob abdicated his responsibility to us all. Including you, Lou. You should have been banned long ago, and your return should have been conditional.
>
> I am deeply offended, Lou, that when someone challenges you on other grounds, you try and turn it into an anti-Semitic argument. Playing that card is cheating, Lou. And you know it. I know you know it. As others have stated, ad nauseum, the only reason we know about any of the religious issues you are so offended by is that you constantly breathe them back to life.
>
> Can you not grasp that there are dogmatic differences between the orthodox beliefs of different religions? And especially so when the different sects and historical documents associated with those human interpretations are taken into account? Psychobabble is incapable of fixing these issues for you. And yet, you generalize your impotent rage upon the entire population of Babble.
>
> There are two threads here on the Admin page in which you have repeatedly insulted individual posters by calling them anti-Semitic. And those posters I know to be above reproach. That is so offensive, and so uncivil, you should be banned every time you say it. Every time.
>
> When posters challenge you, Lou, these are the broad issues that I see them challenging. These are the "antis" they're posting about.
>
> 1. anti-bigotry (defined by Merriam-Webster as "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices"), or in the words of Oliver Wendell Holmes, "The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract."
>
> Do not try and twist my words, Lou. This meaning, and this meaning only, am I expressing.
>
> 2. anti-ignorance (defined by Merriam-Webster as "a state defined by a lack of knowledge, education, or awareness").
>
> Lou, your lack of knowledge of statistics, chemistry, biochemistry, and science in general, is appalling. And yet, you persist in trying to make pseudo-scientific arguments, despite extensive efforts by members of the Babble community to help you to understand your errors.
>
> 3. anti-illogical (defined by Merrian-Webster as "not observing the principals of logic"). I had to make up a descriptor, but more specifically, I am referring to arguments that are fallacious, inconsequent, or invalid.
>
> There is no debating you, Lou. You simply restate your ill-reasoned beliefs. Or ignore the debate altogether.
>
> But of all the things you do, Lou, playing an end around of the rules against posting links to specific websites, by creating google searches which will take an individual to those very sites, that is the most egregious violation of the rules here. People used to get banned in a flash for that. I got banned for linking to a site that I didn't even know had prohibited content on it. Twice. But you get away with intentional sh$t like that?
>
> You should be banned, Lou. And not allowed to return unless you reform your ways.
>
> Lar
>
> Friends,
If you are following the ongoing situation here, be advised that I am trying to save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions/addictions, save the lives of innocent people murdered by those in a mind-altered state induced by psychotropic drugs, and to stop the allowing of antisemitic statements to stand here. This is supportive on any forum unless what I am trying to stop is what the forum wants.
This brings up as to why there are numerous statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings allowed to stand here, and why there is a post to me by Mr Hsiung that prevents me from posting here the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me. This also brings up as to what is the reason that others want for me to not post here as I do,to seek that the antisemitism is not allowed to stand and to post facts that I think could save lives. These facts are prohibited by Mr Hsiung to me to post here. These prohibitions are mainly only to me, for they are not in the TOS under the faq. And I am following those prohibitions even though Larry and others see that Mr Hsiung is allowing others to defame me here and use me as a scapegoat for their real or imagined ills or their leaving here.
If somone here does not want me to post what could save lives, or to try to stop antisemitism from being allowed to stand here, is that a rationale reason to leave a forum of any nature? Those wanting me banned for what I write here do not have to read what I post, for there are numerous other threads for them to be part of, or they could post a response of their own thinking.
And when one member posts defamation toward me here and stops, then comes another one just like the other one. And Mr Hsiung is not only allowing it, by the nature of him allowing it, others could think that it is supportive. Antisemitism supportive? Supportive of what? Defamation toward me supportive? All that it takes for antisemitism and defamation to stand is for good members to do nothing.
Lou
Posted by SLS on December 27, 2012, at 17:03:25
In reply to Lou's reply-dunuttin » larryhoover, posted by Lou Pilder on December 27, 2012, at 16:14:27
> Those wanting me banned for what I write here do not have to read what I post,
So, you have now changed your posture towards allowing antisemitic posts? I can write one after another and have them be allowed to stand? This becomes acceptable to you now that you realize you don't need to read them?
I usually do not reply to your posts unless I feel they are endangering the welfare of others. I am here to save lives too, and I deem your posts to pose a threat to the health of those who would read them. That you are Jewish is incidental and irrelevant. It is unfortunate that you should feel the need to pronounce as antisemitic any act that confronts you and challenges your belief system. I find it very ugly.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 27, 2012, at 21:16:08
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-dunuttin » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on December 27, 2012, at 17:03:25
> > Those wanting me banned for what I write here do not have to read what I post,
>
> So, you have now changed your posture towards allowing antisemitic posts? I can write one after another and have them be allowed to stand? This becomes acceptable to you now that you realize you don't need to read them?
>
> I usually do not reply to your posts unless I feel they are endangering the welfare of others. I am here to save lives too, and I deem your posts to pose a threat to the health of those who would read them. That you are Jewish is incidental and irrelevant. It is unfortunate that you should feel the need to pronounce as antisemitic any act that confronts you and challenges your belief system. I find it very ugly.
>
>
> - ScottFriends,
It is written here,[...So you've now changed your posture towards allowing antisemitic posts?..].
The answer my friends, is knowing that it is "no".
My mission here is to save lives by posting facts so that others can make a more informed decision as to take these drugs promoted here or to drug their child in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor or not. Another part is to stop members from posting what could arouse antisemitic feelings and for the administration to follow their own rules in putting out what could start a forest fire in relation to antisemitic statements that are allowed to stand here. The administration could do that by responding to my requests that are outstanding on the administrative board. You could read those threads and post from your perspective. which I think could help my cause. Of course, if members do not post from their perspective in those threads, my cause does not have the member's input which could help the Jews throughout the world from being victims of antisemitic violence, for if there were posts from members that heped the Jews, an offset could happen. And all that is needed for antisemitism to stand here is for good members to do nothing.
You see, those antisemitic statements could be considered to be supportive by the nature that Mr Hsiung states that support takes precedence and that one match could start a forest fire and that Mr Hsiung is doing what will be good for this community as a whole and to trust him in that. So if there is an antisemitic statement allowed to stand, and there are many, then a forest fire of hatred toward the Jews could spread way beyond the forum itself, for those posts could be read in countries that hate the Jews and in communities in free countries that hate the Jews to give those people a {false} feeling of superiority, and in a drug induced state, or in a non-drug induced state, they could target a Jew for murder thinking that they will be doing what will be good for the community as a whole.
Then there are other web sites that cite those statements as being allowed by Mr Hsiung. They are typed out so that even if the link is hidden or even removed, the antisemitic statement stays there.
And these posts of antisemitism can be seen, can be seen right now. For you see, there are archives here, not just one page. So an antisemitic statement allowed to stand here years ago can be pulled up in a search to be seen in the present, now.
Then there is the issue as to if me as a Jew can post the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me. The answer my friens, is no I can't. To see why:
A.Go to the search box at the end of this page
B. Type in: [admin, 7968]
If more than one, it is the one with the 7968 in the colored strip in the post. It is of interest that schleprock did post to that thread on the top of the admin board. I do not know what he is wanting to mean by what he posted.
Now that shows that, I hope, what could open your eyes to a situation that some wish not to acknowledge. But it is plainly visible what is in the post, and if you want to know the historical parallels to that, there is another prohibition to me that prevents me from posting that here by Mr Hsiung.
Now members here CAN post antisemitism. And Mr Hsiung is allowing it, and I do not accept any of his rationales, excuses or whatever else you want to use to justify hatred posted toward the Jews being allowed to stand here. For as the sun comes from out of the East to set in the West, it has been revealed to me, so shall all that post such, and those that allow it, meet the fate that the scriptures that the Jews use prescribe to those. My friends, be not deceived. Here is a post that I would like for you to read.
Now the antisemitic statement that has been used for centuries by those that want to persecute the Jews is in the last paragraph of the member's post before my part. It reads,[...made to suffer a horrible death by {them}...]. That type of hatred toward the Jews is allowed to stand here. I invite all members to post in that thread from their perspective.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/1004107.html
Lou
Posted by SLS on December 27, 2012, at 21:34:23
In reply to Lou's reply-gehybreel » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on December 27, 2012, at 21:16:08
> > > Those wanting me banned for what I write here do not have to read what I post,
> >
> > So, you have now changed your posture towards allowing antisemitic posts? I can write one after another and have them be allowed to stand? This becomes acceptable to you now that you realize you don't need to read them?
> >
> > I usually do not reply to your posts unless I feel they are endangering the welfare of others. I am here to save lives too, and I deem your posts to pose a threat to the health of those who would read them. That you are Jewish is incidental and irrelevant. It is unfortunate that you should feel the need to pronounce as antisemitic any act that confronts you and challenges your belief system. I find it very ugly.> Friends,
> It is written here,[...So you've now changed your posture towards allowing antisemitic posts?..].
> The answer my friends, is knowing that it is "no".
> My mission here is to save lives by posting factsPlease don't post things that could lead a true fact to feel neglected and put down.
:-)
This is actually a pretty uncivil post that I would like to receive a PBC for. I think it is time for more frequent input from the moderators of this forum.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 29, 2012, at 8:54:48
In reply to Lou's reply-dunuttin » larryhoover, posted by Lou Pilder on December 27, 2012, at 16:14:27
> > Yes, Lou, I am purposely posting under this subject line. I left this place some time ago because Dr. Bob abdicated his responsibility to us all. Including you, Lou. You should have been banned long ago, and your return should have been conditional.
> >
> > I am deeply offended, Lou, that when someone challenges you on other grounds, you try and turn it into an anti-Semitic argument. Playing that card is cheating, Lou. And you know it. I know you know it. As others have stated, ad nauseum, the only reason we know about any of the religious issues you are so offended by is that you constantly breathe them back to life.
> >
> > Can you not grasp that there are dogmatic differences between the orthodox beliefs of different religions? And especially so when the different sects and historical documents associated with those human interpretations are taken into account? Psychobabble is incapable of fixing these issues for you. And yet, you generalize your impotent rage upon the entire population of Babble.
> >
> > There are two threads here on the Admin page in which you have repeatedly insulted individual posters by calling them anti-Semitic. And those posters I know to be above reproach. That is so offensive, and so uncivil, you should be banned every time you say it. Every time.
> >
> > When posters challenge you, Lou, these are the broad issues that I see them challenging. These are the "antis" they're posting about.
> >
> > 1. anti-bigotry (defined by Merriam-Webster as "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices"), or in the words of Oliver Wendell Holmes, "The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract."
> >
> > Do not try and twist my words, Lou. This meaning, and this meaning only, am I expressing.
> >
> > 2. anti-ignorance (defined by Merriam-Webster as "a state defined by a lack of knowledge, education, or awareness").
> >
> > Lou, your lack of knowledge of statistics, chemistry, biochemistry, and science in general, is appalling. And yet, you persist in trying to make pseudo-scientific arguments, despite extensive efforts by members of the Babble community to help you to understand your errors.
> >
> > 3. anti-illogical (defined by Merrian-Webster as "not observing the principals of logic"). I had to make up a descriptor, but more specifically, I am referring to arguments that are fallacious, inconsequent, or invalid.
> >
> > There is no debating you, Lou. You simply restate your ill-reasoned beliefs. Or ignore the debate altogether.
> >
> > But of all the things you do, Lou, playing an end around of the rules against posting links to specific websites, by creating google searches which will take an individual to those very sites, that is the most egregious violation of the rules here. People used to get banned in a flash for that. I got banned for linking to a site that I didn't even know had prohibited content on it. Twice. But you get away with intentional sh$t like that?
> >
> > You should be banned, Lou. And not allowed to return unless you reform your ways.
> >
> > Lar
> >
> > Friends,
> If you are following the ongoing situation here, be advised that I am trying to save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions/addictions, save the lives of innocent people murdered by those in a mind-altered state induced by psychotropic drugs, and to stop the allowing of antisemitic statements to stand here. This is supportive on any forum unless what I am trying to stop is what the forum wants.
> This brings up as to why there are numerous statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings allowed to stand here, and why there is a post to me by Mr Hsiung that prevents me from posting here the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me. This also brings up as to what is the reason that others want for me to not post here as I do,to seek that the antisemitism is not allowed to stand and to post facts that I think could save lives. These facts are prohibited by Mr Hsiung to me to post here. These prohibitions are mainly only to me, for they are not in the TOS under the faq. And I am following those prohibitions even though Larry and others see that Mr Hsiung is allowing others to defame me here and use me as a scapegoat for their real or imagined ills or their leaving here.
> If somone here does not want me to post what could save lives, or to try to stop antisemitism from being allowed to stand here, is that a rationale reason to leave a forum of any nature? Those wanting me banned for what I write here do not have to read what I post, for there are numerous other threads for them to be part of, or they could post a response of their own thinking.
> And when one member posts defamation toward me here and stops, then comes another one just like the other one. And Mr Hsiung is not only allowing it, by the nature of him allowing it, others could think that it is supportive. Antisemitism supportive? Supportive of what? Defamation toward me supportive? All that it takes for antisemitism and defamation to stand is for good members to do nothing.
> Lou
>
> Friends,
One of the aspects of my being here is to expose the hatred being promulgated here toward the Jews as well as that if I could do that, lives could be saved. In the statements by Mr Hoover here, along with the gross hostility in his post to me here, one in particular is concerning hatred toward the Jews as statements that can arouse antisemitic feelings are allowed to stand here. His statement is:
[...psychobabble is incapable of fixing these issues...].
My friends, Mr Hsiung states that he does not wait to sanction what could start a forest fire or what is not supportive. But there are numerous statements being allowed to stand that are antisemitic that could cause hatred toward the Jews and others as well. In particular, but not limited to ,the one that states that the ONLY reason that people miss out on forgiveness and Eternal Life from God is if they reject Jesus as Lord and Savior. (citation phozdr}.
The fix is the same fix for other posts that are not supportive, which is for the leader of the community to take the same action as he does for posts that state the {only way} as in that it is not supportive to state {the only way} as it precludes others that are not in the group stated, as in this case the Jews are one of those that are excluded from forgiveness and Eternal Life from God tha do not accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. Jews and Islamic people and a lot of others including atheists do not accept that claim that he poster states as being {the only}.
This is what discrimination is. And discrimination toward Jews in a community that does not allow the Jew to post the foundation of Judaism as revealed to him, but allows the statement in question, can foster the inducement of hatred toward Jews and me as a Jew here.
My friends, I have a broad background in research on how hatred is fosterd in a group, and in particular how hatred is fostered toward Jews in a community. These tactics are well-known by psychologists/psychiatrists, which are discrimination, sterotyping, prejudice, and the allowing of intergroup agression.
The intergroup agression that is plainly visible here toward me is dangerous because the members here take mind-altering drugs. For it is being allowed by Mr Hsiung and he even is in concert with them ecouraging them to offset me and using the epithet {Prince of Death} in relation to me here. This, as I will show later, is an ingrediant for murder as the members here taking mind-altering drugs can have a compeling to kill themselves and/or others induced by the drugs when the ingrediant for murder as agression is fosterd in them in a community.
Another aspect in the brewing of the culdren of hate that could cause others to commit murder and suicide is when the community promulgates {superiority} as being supportive. This is right here in the allowing of antisemitic statements. These statements can be fixed right now, and I want them fixed right now, so that hatred is stopped toward the Jews and others. You can make a diffrence by posting in the threads here on this board and others where there are outstanding requests from me to Mr Hsiung. That could be a fix and show that {bystander apathy} is not a componant of the membership here.
There is a lot more to this here that if you could know what I know, your life could be saved, life-ruining conditions could be avoided, addictions could be avoided,children would not have to endure a lifetime of suffereing and addiction from these drugs,or death, and I could tell you how you could overcome addiction and depression and have a new life and sing a new song. But as long as you are led to believe the slogans and propaganda here toward Jews and me as a Jew, there could be the ingrediants for hatred pumped into you to poison your soul and lead you to kill yourself and/or others.
Lou
citation phozdr
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080809/msgs/941769.html
now see[admin,7968] via the search box here
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 29, 2012, at 15:09:50
In reply to Lou's reply-phyx, posted by Lou Pilder on December 29, 2012, at 8:54:48
> > > Yes, Lou, I am purposely posting under this subject line. I left this place some time ago because Dr. Bob abdicated his responsibility to us all. Including you, Lou. You should have been banned long ago, and your return should have been conditional.
> > >
> > > I am deeply offended, Lou, that when someone challenges you on other grounds, you try and turn it into an anti-Semitic argument. Playing that card is cheating, Lou. And you know it. I know you know it. As others have stated, ad nauseum, the only reason we know about any of the religious issues you are so offended by is that you constantly breathe them back to life.
> > >
> > > Can you not grasp that there are dogmatic differences between the orthodox beliefs of different religions? And especially so when the different sects and historical documents associated with those human interpretations are taken into account? Psychobabble is incapable of fixing these issues for you. And yet, you generalize your impotent rage upon the entire population of Babble.
> > >
> > > There are two threads here on the Admin page in which you have repeatedly insulted individual posters by calling them anti-Semitic. And those posters I know to be above reproach. That is so offensive, and so uncivil, you should be banned every time you say it. Every time.
> > >
> > > When posters challenge you, Lou, these are the broad issues that I see them challenging. These are the "antis" they're posting about.
> > >
> > > 1. anti-bigotry (defined by Merriam-Webster as "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices"), or in the words of Oliver Wendell Holmes, "The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract."
> > >
> > > Do not try and twist my words, Lou. This meaning, and this meaning only, am I expressing.
> > >
> > > 2. anti-ignorance (defined by Merriam-Webster as "a state defined by a lack of knowledge, education, or awareness").
> > >
> > > Lou, your lack of knowledge of statistics, chemistry, biochemistry, and science in general, is appalling. And yet, you persist in trying to make pseudo-scientific arguments, despite extensive efforts by members of the Babble community to help you to understand your errors.
> > >
> > > 3. anti-illogical (defined by Merrian-Webster as "not observing the principals of logic"). I had to make up a descriptor, but more specifically, I am referring to arguments that are fallacious, inconsequent, or invalid.
> > >
> > > There is no debating you, Lou. You simply restate your ill-reasoned beliefs. Or ignore the debate altogether.
> > >
> > > But of all the things you do, Lou, playing an end around of the rules against posting links to specific websites, by creating google searches which will take an individual to those very sites, that is the most egregious violation of the rules here. People used to get banned in a flash for that. I got banned for linking to a site that I didn't even know had prohibited content on it. Twice. But you get away with intentional sh$t like that?
> > >
> > > You should be banned, Lou. And not allowed to return unless you reform your ways.
> > >
> > > Lar
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > If you are following the ongoing situation here, be advised that I am trying to save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions/addictions, save the lives of innocent people murdered by those in a mind-altered state induced by psychotropic drugs, and to stop the allowing of antisemitic statements to stand here. This is supportive on any forum unless what I am trying to stop is what the forum wants.
> > This brings up as to why there are numerous statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings allowed to stand here, and why there is a post to me by Mr Hsiung that prevents me from posting here the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me. This also brings up as to what is the reason that others want for me to not post here as I do,to seek that the antisemitism is not allowed to stand and to post facts that I think could save lives. These facts are prohibited by Mr Hsiung to me to post here. These prohibitions are mainly only to me, for they are not in the TOS under the faq. And I am following those prohibitions even though Larry and others see that Mr Hsiung is allowing others to defame me here and use me as a scapegoat for their real or imagined ills or their leaving here.
> > If somone here does not want me to post what could save lives, or to try to stop antisemitism from being allowed to stand here, is that a rationale reason to leave a forum of any nature? Those wanting me banned for what I write here do not have to read what I post, for there are numerous other threads for them to be part of, or they could post a response of their own thinking.
> > And when one member posts defamation toward me here and stops, then comes another one just like the other one. And Mr Hsiung is not only allowing it, by the nature of him allowing it, others could think that it is supportive. Antisemitism supportive? Supportive of what? Defamation toward me supportive? All that it takes for antisemitism and defamation to stand is for good members to do nothing.
> > Lou
> >
> > Friends,
> One of the aspects of my being here is to expose the hatred being promulgated here toward the Jews as well as that if I could do that, lives could be saved. In the statements by Mr Hoover here, along with the gross hostility in his post to me here, one in particular is concerning hatred toward the Jews as statements that can arouse antisemitic feelings are allowed to stand here. His statement is:
> [...psychobabble is incapable of fixing these issues...].
> My friends, Mr Hsiung states that he does not wait to sanction what could start a forest fire or what is not supportive. But there are numerous statements being allowed to stand that are antisemitic that could cause hatred toward the Jews and others as well. In particular, but not limited to ,the one that states that the ONLY reason that people miss out on forgiveness and Eternal Life from God is if they reject Jesus as Lord and Savior. (citation phozdr}.
> The fix is the same fix for other posts that are not supportive, which is for the leader of the community to take the same action as he does for posts that state the {only way} as in that it is not supportive to state {the only way} as it precludes others that are not in the group stated, as in this case the Jews are one of those that are excluded from forgiveness and Eternal Life from God tha do not accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. Jews and Islamic people and a lot of others including atheists do not accept that claim that he poster states as being {the only}.
> This is what discrimination is. And discrimination toward Jews in a community that does not allow the Jew to post the foundation of Judaism as revealed to him, but allows the statement in question, can foster the inducement of hatred toward Jews and me as a Jew here.
> My friends, I have a broad background in research on how hatred is fosterd in a group, and in particular how hatred is fostered toward Jews in a community. These tactics are well-known by psychologists/psychiatrists, which are discrimination, sterotyping, prejudice, and the allowing of intergroup agression.
> The intergroup agression that is plainly visible here toward me is dangerous because the members here take mind-altering drugs. For it is being allowed by Mr Hsiung and he even is in concert with them ecouraging them to offset me and using the epithet {Prince of Death} in relation to me here. This, as I will show later, is an ingrediant for murder as the members here taking mind-altering drugs can have a compeling to kill themselves and/or others induced by the drugs when the ingrediant for murder as agression is fosterd in them in a community.
> Another aspect in the brewing of the culdren of hate that could cause others to commit murder and suicide is when the community promulgates {superiority} as being supportive. This is right here in the allowing of antisemitic statements. These statements can be fixed right now, and I want them fixed right now, so that hatred is stopped toward the Jews and others. You can make a diffrence by posting in the threads here on this board and others where there are outstanding requests from me to Mr Hsiung. That could be a fix and show that {bystander apathy} is not a componant of the membership here.
> There is a lot more to this here that if you could know what I know, your life could be saved, life-ruining conditions could be avoided, addictions could be avoided,children would not have to endure a lifetime of suffereing and addiction from these drugs,or death, and I could tell you how you could overcome addiction and depression and have a new life and sing a new song. But as long as you are led to believe the slogans and propaganda here toward Jews and me as a Jew, there could be the ingrediants for hatred pumped into you to poison your soul and lead you to kill yourself and/or others.
> Lou
> citation phozdr
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080809/msgs/941769.html
> now see[admin,7968] via the search box hereFriends,
Now Mr. Hoover writes here that I am bringing to the attention of the administration and the members and readers that there are statements here that are antisemitic being allowed to stand by Mr. Hsiung and his deputy now and his previous deputies. It really doesn't matter if the statements are in the archives because those statements can still be brought up and seen in a search, which is where a lot of people come to this site from. The antisemitic posts are seen in the present and I consider them to be of great potential harm to Jews and others.
The antisemitic statements allowed to stand can produce hatred as that the statements can cause one to think of the Jew as an enemy, a demon, an inferior race, people that bring disaster to the community, people to be blamed for the death of Christ. This allowing by Mr. Hsiung here of the antisemitic statements to stand causes deep humiliation toward me and dehumanizes me as a Jew here. The insults to Judaism that go along with Mr. Hsiung allowing the antisemitism can induce more hatred toward Jews and me as a Jew by him being the authority figure here so that others could think that the hatred is supportive. I am prohibited, no less, by Mr Hsiung from posting the historical parallels to the authoritaive prohibitions to me here by him which allows him to control the content which limits the potential of the resistance to the aganda that is plainly visible. The use of pressure to expel and the repression of information that could stop the antisemitism from being allowed to stand, opens the door to an indoctrination that the historical record shows.
The harm to Jews is forseeable, for there is a huge body of research concerning how hatred is promulgated in a community by the leaders. The first step in inducing hatred into the members is to allow the Jews to have posts about them that degrade, humiliate and dehumainze them.
Here is one such:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/428781.html
This allowing of the hate in the post toward Jews then leads to insulting Judaism itself.
Here is one such post: To see the hate, look at the 2end list called the top 10... , number 5
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20040729/msgs/378930.html
Then the leader can be in concert with the members, which could foster attitudes in the members consistant with the leader's wishes. And that the leader says that he will appreciate members trusting him in that he is doing what will be good for the community as a whole, then members could think that they are plesasing him in going along with him to allow the antisemitic statements to stand.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20060614/msgs/735373.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1029332.html
This then could have the potential for members to think that it is justifiable for them to post hostility and scapegoating and insults to me here. What is allowed to stand about the Jews of hate here can get into the frail minds of those that take mind-altering drugs. The influence into members here that degrades Jews could be another ingrediant in the keddle that brews the poison of hate that induces violence and suicide and murder.
Lou
Posted by SLS on December 29, 2012, at 21:37:43
In reply to Lou's reply-kultofhey, posted by Lou Pilder on December 29, 2012, at 15:09:50
To whom have you reported your experiences of antisemitism on Psycho-Babble?
- Scott
Posted by SLS on December 29, 2012, at 21:48:10
In reply to Lou's reply-kultofhey, posted by Lou Pilder on December 29, 2012, at 15:09:50
Perhaps you could produce a list of those things that administration can do to resolve your complaints of antisemitism.
What would you like to see Dr. Hsiung do?
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 12, 2013, at 4:09:34
In reply to Resolve issues regarding antisemitiism. » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on December 29, 2012, at 21:48:10
> Perhaps you could produce a list of those things that administration can do to resolve your complaints of antisemitism.
>
> What would you like to see Dr. Hsiung do?
>
>
> - ScottScott,
In regards to your request to me here, I wold like for you and interested members to read the following.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20101201/msgs/976484.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2013, at 5:39:37
In reply to Lou's reply-phyx, posted by Lou Pilder on December 29, 2012, at 8:54:48
> > > Yes, Lou, I am purposely posting under this subject line. I left this place some time ago because Dr. Bob abdicated his responsibility to us all. Including you, Lou. You should have been banned long ago, and your return should have been conditional.
> > >
> > > I am deeply offended, Lou, that when someone challenges you on other grounds, you try and turn it into an anti-Semitic argument. Playing that card is cheating, Lou. And you know it. I know you know it. As others have stated, ad nauseum, the only reason we know about any of the religious issues you are so offended by is that you constantly breathe them back to life.
> > >
> > > Can you not grasp that there are dogmatic differences between the orthodox beliefs of different religions? And especially so when the different sects and historical documents associated with those human interpretations are taken into account? Psychobabble is incapable of fixing these issues for you. And yet, you generalize your impotent rage upon the entire population of Babble.
> > >
> > > There are two threads here on the Admin page in which you have repeatedly insulted individual posters by calling them anti-Semitic. And those posters I know to be above reproach. That is so offensive, and so uncivil, you should be banned every time you say it. Every time.
> > >
> > > When posters challenge you, Lou, these are the broad issues that I see them challenging. These are the "antis" they're posting about.
> > >
> > > 1. anti-bigotry (defined by Merriam-Webster as "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices"), or in the words of Oliver Wendell Holmes, "The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract."
> > >
> > > Do not try and twist my words, Lou. This meaning, and this meaning only, am I expressing.
> > >
> > > 2. anti-ignorance (defined by Merriam-Webster as "a state defined by a lack of knowledge, education, or awareness").
> > >
> > > Lou, your lack of knowledge of statistics, chemistry, biochemistry, and science in general, is appalling. And yet, you persist in trying to make pseudo-scientific arguments, despite extensive efforts by members of the Babble community to help you to understand your errors.
> > >
> > > 3. anti-illogical (defined by Merrian-Webster as "not observing the principals of logic"). I had to make up a descriptor, but more specifically, I am referring to arguments that are fallacious, inconsequent, or invalid.
> > >
> > > There is no debating you, Lou. You simply restate your ill-reasoned beliefs. Or ignore the debate altogether.
> > >
> > > But of all the things you do, Lou, playing an end around of the rules against posting links to specific websites, by creating google searches which will take an individual to those very sites, that is the most egregious violation of the rules here. People used to get banned in a flash for that. I got banned for linking to a site that I didn't even know had prohibited content on it. Twice. But you get away with intentional sh$t like that?
> > >
> > > You should be banned, Lou. And not allowed to return unless you reform your ways.
> > >
> > > Lar
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > If you are following the ongoing situation here, be advised that I am trying to save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions/addictions, save the lives of innocent people murdered by those in a mind-altered state induced by psychotropic drugs, and to stop the allowing of antisemitic statements to stand here. This is supportive on any forum unless what I am trying to stop is what the forum wants.
> > This brings up as to why there are numerous statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings allowed to stand here, and why there is a post to me by Mr Hsiung that prevents me from posting here the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me. This also brings up as to what is the reason that others want for me to not post here as I do,to seek that the antisemitism is not allowed to stand and to post facts that I think could save lives. These facts are prohibited by Mr Hsiung to me to post here. These prohibitions are mainly only to me, for they are not in the TOS under the faq. And I am following those prohibitions even though Larry and others see that Mr Hsiung is allowing others to defame me here and use me as a scapegoat for their real or imagined ills or their leaving here.
> > If somone here does not want me to post what could save lives, or to try to stop antisemitism from being allowed to stand here, is that a rationale reason to leave a forum of any nature? Those wanting me banned for what I write here do not have to read what I post, for there are numerous other threads for them to be part of, or they could post a response of their own thinking.
> > And when one member posts defamation toward me here and stops, then comes another one just like the other one. And Mr Hsiung is not only allowing it, by the nature of him allowing it, others could think that it is supportive. Antisemitism supportive? Supportive of what? Defamation toward me supportive? All that it takes for antisemitism and defamation to stand is for good members to do nothing.
> > Lou
> >
> > Friends,
> One of the aspects of my being here is to expose the hatred being promulgated here toward the Jews as well as that if I could do that, lives could be saved. In the statements by Mr Hoover here, along with the gross hostility in his post to me here, one in particular is concerning hatred toward the Jews as statements that can arouse antisemitic feelings are allowed to stand here. His statement is:
> [...psychobabble is incapable of fixing these issues...].
> My friends, Mr Hsiung states that he does not wait to sanction what could start a forest fire or what is not supportive. But there are numerous statements being allowed to stand that are antisemitic that could cause hatred toward the Jews and others as well. In particular, but not limited to ,the one that states that the ONLY reason that people miss out on forgiveness and Eternal Life from God is if they reject Jesus as Lord and Savior. (citation phozdr}.
> The fix is the same fix for other posts that are not supportive, which is for the leader of the community to take the same action as he does for posts that state the {only way} as in that it is not supportive to state {the only way} as it precludes others that are not in the group stated, as in this case the Jews are one of those that are excluded from forgiveness and Eternal Life from God tha do not accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. Jews and Islamic people and a lot of others including atheists do not accept that claim that he poster states as being {the only}.
> This is what discrimination is. And discrimination toward Jews in a community that does not allow the Jew to post the foundation of Judaism as revealed to him, but allows the statement in question, can foster the inducement of hatred toward Jews and me as a Jew here.
> My friends, I have a broad background in research on how hatred is fosterd in a group, and in particular how hatred is fostered toward Jews in a community. These tactics are well-known by psychologists/psychiatrists, which are discrimination, sterotyping, prejudice, and the allowing of intergroup agression.
> The intergroup agression that is plainly visible here toward me is dangerous because the members here take mind-altering drugs. For it is being allowed by Mr Hsiung and he even is in concert with them ecouraging them to offset me and using the epithet {Prince of Death} in relation to me here. This, as I will show later, is an ingrediant for murder as the members here taking mind-altering drugs can have a compeling to kill themselves and/or others induced by the drugs when the ingrediant for murder as agression is fosterd in them in a community.
> Another aspect in the brewing of the culdren of hate that could cause others to commit murder and suicide is when the community promulgates {superiority} as being supportive. This is right here in the allowing of antisemitic statements. These statements can be fixed right now, and I want them fixed right now, so that hatred is stopped toward the Jews and others. You can make a diffrence by posting in the threads here on this board and others where there are outstanding requests from me to Mr Hsiung. That could be a fix and show that {bystander apathy} is not a componant of the membership here.
> There is a lot more to this here that if you could know what I know, your life could be saved, life-ruining conditions could be avoided, addictions could be avoided,children would not have to endure a lifetime of suffereing and addiction from these drugs,or death, and I could tell you how you could overcome addiction and depression and have a new life and sing a new song. But as long as you are led to believe the slogans and propaganda here toward Jews and me as a Jew, there could be the ingrediants for hatred pumped into you to poison your soul and lead you to kill yourself and/or others.
> Lou
> citation phozdr
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080809/msgs/941769.html
> now see[admin,7968] via the search box hereFriends,
It is asked here how a fix could be done in relation to the content of this thread. I am asking that you review the posts in this thread and then use the b-mail to contact me for email, if you like.
Lou
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