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Posted by SLS on October 24, 2012, at 10:41:45
In reply to Re: Lou is causing me to take a benzo » Phillipa, posted by Dinah on October 24, 2012, at 9:52:37
I have become dispassionate to the writings of Lou Pilder, and do not take them personally. I generally avoid his posts because I find them to be generally misinformed and wholly uninteresting. My only concern is really how his posts affect others, particularly with regards to psychiatric medicines and death. In my estimation, Lou Pilder is spreading the disinformation that he finds elsewhere on the Internet. So, from time to time, I will challenge him and present my own fact-checks and ask him to validate his conclusions. Invariably, Lou Pilder does not address my challenging questions, but rather, obfuscates my line of questioning by ignoring it or by changing the subject.
The previous paragraph may contain what Dr. Bob considers to be uncivil put-downs. If so, I would really like to know from him which statements are uncivil and why. Perhaps Dr. Bob could do the same thing with Lou Pilder. The appearance of selective enforcement is to be avoided, though. I believe that there is a fine line to be navigated by Dr. Bob should he decide to enact a posting block against Lou Pilder.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on October 24, 2012, at 12:25:34
In reply to Re: Lou is causing me to take a benzo » Dinah, posted by SLS on October 24, 2012, at 10:41:45
That Lou could be a Scientologist? Just a thought as walking out the door? Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 16:41:56
In reply to Re: Lou is causing me to take a benzo » Phillipa, posted by Dinah on October 24, 2012, at 9:52:37
> You remember that advertisement with the egg sizzling on the pan, and the statement that "This is your brain on drugs"?
>
> Maybe we'd all feel better about Lou if we thought of him like that. It's not as if he's a walking advertisement for what he espouses - not taking medications no matter what the circumstances.
>
> If I were of a suspicious disposition, which I'm not, I'd wonder if he was being paid by Big Pharmaceutical.
>
> Ok, I'm off to lie down and let the klonopin calm my nerves. I may stay off babble for a bit or my interaction with Lou might get me addicted to benzos.Friends,
It is written above. And it could lead people to have antisemitic feelings toward me . This is because of the use of {scapegoating}.
There is historical parallel to this post as in the fallacy called, {poisoning the well}. You could research that fallacy and see wheer it came from and how it is used toward Jews. The plant in your mind that could happen here could cause me to be a victim of antisemitic violence.
You see, there are people that read here that could take what Dinah has said about me as truth,but it is a lie that she has to take psychotropic addicting drugs because I have had dialog with her here. Dialog with her in relation to that she innitiated the dialog. I am responding to the accusation that I have caused her to take an addicting drug.
Scapegoating can be a part of fascism. The historical record is undeniable in that respect. Here, I am responsble and blamed and scapegoated.
You here that want me expelled, blocked or whatever sanction to be made to me fall into the realm of scapegoating also. For you are blaming me for whatever, but Dinah is allowed to use me as a scapegoat and the people that want me sanctioned are not addressing the scapegoating that leads me to feel accused and put down.
Lou
Posted by Dinah on October 24, 2012, at 16:45:32
In reply to Lou's response-pskehypgote, posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 16:41:56
Not to mention extremely tired.
If you want me to lay off you, lay off me. And quit being uncivil to others as well.
You want to be able to dish it out while getting a pass yourself.
It was no lie. Fortunately it worked, and I feel somewhat better now.
Posted by Phil on October 24, 2012, at 16:48:26
In reply to Lou's reply-phyerofheyt-wurst, posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 8:48:08
It's generated from a place of hatred that you project on others, not just here, but society in general.
Look in the mirror Lou and you will see your problem.
You are obsessed with finding fault in others that don't exist but I don't ever remember you saying, maybe I was wrong, maybe I misjudged. No, it's your way or the highway.
Man up Lou, you are trying to make people admit fault when the fault lies within you, not them.
You are the hater, you're ego trumps your mind. You can't love because you have to be right. You can't support others because they are wrong.You are tangled in a web of hatred and self-deception. I know as I write this that it will fall on deaf ears and a closed mind.
There can only be one God and you aren't him. Fact is you hate people because no one knows the answers like you do. Are you proud to be king?
You use words to hurt people and you are the one that will ruin this board because others admit faults as you assign blame.Dozens or more have left long ago not just because of Dr Bob but because of you. Are you proud of chasing mentally ill people away because you are never wrong and your ego has turned your heart to coal?
It's ironic that the person here in most need of professional help is the one twisting others' words and telling them that they don't need meds, they need you.
Do you ever stop posting, take a break, take a walk and see the beauty around you? Or do you plot and plan your next one thousand posts that make no sense to anyone but you.
You hate more than anyone you accuse and it's only hurting you.
Have you ever laughed? Have you ever apologized?
Have you ever thought, wow, I can't believe I said that? Have you ever said you're sorry?
Even though I'm trying, there's is no getting through to you. You want the world to follow you and quite frankly you are the scary one. SCARY.
You believe you are superior to others.
You will miss out on opportunities to learn from other people's opinions.
You have to be right to feel important.
Your thinking is linear or one-dimensional.
You have a tendency to dominate a conversation, unable to converse properly, listen or have a normal back and forth dialog. You are only fixated on your opinion and cannot wait for the other person to finish speaking to counter their viewpoint. In some cases you may even interrupt the other person to interject what you need to say.
You have to prove you are right as a way of putting others down or criticizing them. It gives you a feeling of winning, which empowers you.
If you are wrong you feel flawed, inferior, or upset.
Your identity is dependent on your need to feel that you are right.That's all I have to say, buddy. I don't want to be hurtful but I have to wonder if you can feel. These are the last words I'll ever say to you.
Posted by Dinah on October 24, 2012, at 16:54:03
In reply to Re: Lou is causing me to take a benzo » Dinah, posted by SLS on October 24, 2012, at 10:41:45
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Bob. When he did show up above, it had to do with the technical problems with the board. He saw what was going on and his reply held no hint of his being interested in moderating.
Basically Lou can accuse us of whatever he likes. We can accuse him of whatever we like.
Oh happy day at babble.
I get really offended at charges of antisemetism, no matter who makes them. Sure, I usually decide Lou's not worth dealing with, because it seems pretty clear what is going on with Lou. But over time he's gotten more and more open in his accusations. It makes the place unpleasant. And I'm frankly mad as fire that Bob has left us to deal with things as best we can while giving us no tools whatsoever to do so.
The best choice for me is to go back to being mostly gone from this unmoderated board.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 16:57:05
In reply to Re: Is it possible?, posted by Phillipa on October 24, 2012, at 12:25:34
> That Lou could be a Scientologist? Just a thought as walking out the door? Phillipa
Phillipa,
I have had one encounter with some of Hubbard's lieutenants many years ago. I remember that night in May. Something came over me and I spoke to them for a long time without interruption. After I finshed speaking to them, they fell on the ground and one said, "Surely there is a God."
I never saw them again.
Lou
Posted by Dinah on October 24, 2012, at 17:27:00
In reply to Re: Lou is causing me to take a benzo » Dinah, posted by SLS on October 24, 2012, at 10:41:45
It doesn't really matter what we do. Whether Lou is uncivil to us and we're uncivil back, or if Lou is uncivil to us and we just sit and eat it, Babble wouldn't be a pleasant place to be.
I don't actually like being uncivil any more than I like receiving incivility. Lou will never stop no matter what. I guess that's not his fault. This is, after all, a mental health board. It was the same way with my family. You can feel all the compassion in the world for someone disruptive, but that doesn't make it easier or more pleasant to be in their vicinity.
The only thing that could possibly make the place bearable, I think, is if we all found humor in Lou's behavior. That's not really likely to happen either.
What's the use? I just don't like unmoderated boards. Never have, never will.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 17:36:26
In reply to Lou, what you perceive is in your own mind, posted by Phil on October 24, 2012, at 16:48:26
> It's generated from a place of hatred that you project on others, not just here, but society in general.
>
> Look in the mirror Lou and you will see your problem.
>
> You are obsessed with finding fault in others that don't exist but I don't ever remember you saying, maybe I was wrong, maybe I misjudged. No, it's your way or the highway.
>
> Man up Lou, you are trying to make people admit fault when the fault lies within you, not them.
> You are the hater, you're ego trumps your mind. You can't love because you have to be right. You can't support others because they are wrong.
>
> You are tangled in a web of hatred and self-deception. I know as I write this that it will fall on deaf ears and a closed mind.
>
> There can only be one God and you aren't him. Fact is you hate people because no one knows the answers like you do. Are you proud to be king?
>
> You use words to hurt people and you are the one that will ruin this board because others admit faults as you assign blame.Dozens or more have left long ago not just because of Dr Bob but because of you. Are you proud of chasing mentally ill people away because you are never wrong and your ego has turned your heart to coal?
>
> It's ironic that the person here in most need of professional help is the one twisting others' words and telling them that they don't need meds, they need you.
>
> Do you ever stop posting, take a break, take a walk and see the beauty around you? Or do you plot and plan your next one thousand posts that make no sense to anyone but you.
>
> You hate more than anyone you accuse and it's only hurting you.
>
> Have you ever laughed? Have you ever apologized?
>
> Have you ever thought, wow, I can't believe I said that? Have you ever said you're sorry?
>
> Even though I'm trying, there's is no getting through to you. You want the world to follow you and quite frankly you are the scary one. SCARY.
>
> You believe you are superior to others.
> You will miss out on opportunities to learn from other people's opinions.
> You have to be right to feel important.
> Your thinking is linear or one-dimensional.
> You have a tendency to dominate a conversation, unable to converse properly, listen or have a normal back and forth dialog. You are only fixated on your opinion and cannot wait for the other person to finish speaking to counter their viewpoint. In some cases you may even interrupt the other person to interject what you need to say.
> You have to prove you are right as a way of putting others down or criticizing them. It gives you a feeling of winning, which empowers you.
> If you are wrong you feel flawed, inferior, or upset.
> Your identity is dependent on your need to feel that you are right.
>
> That's all I have to say, buddy. I don't want to be hurtful but I have to wonder if you can feel. These are the last words I'll ever say to you.
>
> Friends,
It is written above.
Now the matter here concerns as to what I am here for. I am here to save lives by giving people a way that has been revealed to me that heals people addicted and depressed.
The prohibitions to me from Mr Hsiung prevent that. And on top of that, antisemitic statements are allowed to stand which fosters hatred toward Jews and me as a Jew and establishes what support is.
That Mr Hsiung is allowing for members here to slander me, does not annul the fact that there are years of outstanding requests from me to Mr Hsiung before he allowed defamation to be promulgated toward me here openly, accusing me and using me for a scapegoat, slandering the God that I give service and worship to and posting disrespect toward Jews.
Now here is a post that has outstanding requests from me to Mr Hsiung that can arouse antisemitic violence. The statement has historical uses in the persecution and murder of Jews and is allowed to this day to stand.
The statements can be interpreted that Jews can not have forgiveness from God nor could they have Eternal Life either because they did not convert to Christianity and thearfore rejected Jesus which causes them to be left out of Eternal Life and there is no forgivness for them. This means that the Jewish children, 1 and 1/2 million of them, that were systematically torturerd in cruel experiments by psychiatrists and doctors, then murdered at Auschwitz, can not have Eternal Life or forgivness from God since they are Jews.
The post stands today as a monument of hate here, a disgrace to humanity and an offence to the Jews world -wide. And only Scott said that the post is not supportive. But Mr Hsiung says that it is OK to post it here.
Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080809/msgs/941769.html
>
Posted by Dinah on October 24, 2012, at 17:44:04
In reply to Lou, what you perceive is in your own mind, posted by Phil on October 24, 2012, at 16:48:26
Before my relative was put on medications, she sometimes had religious delusions of prophecy. She *was* a less angry prophet than Lou, I'll grant you that. I don't recall her accusing anyone of things like Lou does.
I remember one incident when I was little when she scared the fire out of me. She spoke in a voice that didn't seem like hers at all. It was much, much deeper. Even though everyone tried to explain delusions to me, I spent the entire day worrying that her prophecy would come true. It didn't of course.
Fortunately she decided eventually to remain on medications even outside institutions.
Medications have side effects. Not taking medications has side effects too.
Posted by Dinah on October 24, 2012, at 17:45:55
In reply to Lou's response-, posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 17:36:26
Posted by SLS on October 24, 2012, at 17:49:44
In reply to Lou's response-, posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 17:36:26
> Mr. Hsiung,
> My Shoppe was broken down and the electric turned off. People came in and made it uninhabitable.
Are you not able to see that you have been doing to others for years that which you now complain is being done to you?No one owns a thread.
You take advantage of this policy every day when you post along threads started by others in order to further your agenda.
If the originator of a thread were to ask of you specifically not to post along that thread, would you honor their wishes?
Why should anyone be considerate of your feelings when you are not considerate of those of others? I, for one, will not entertain your request that your threads be free from challenge or comment.
Your characterization of others making your thread "uninhabitable" is ironic in that you may indeed be doing the same to an entire forum. Is this purposeful? You are too clever for it not to be. Do unto others? Okay.
You insist on posting things that would have been prohibited when Psycho-Babble was actively moderated. At the very least, I would like to see you sanctioned for overgeneralization and exaggeration.
When the "zoning commissioner" does appear, you might very well be prohibited from the posting behavior that you now engage in. I do hope so. It very well might have been a strategic error on your part for you to suggest an intervention by Dr. Bob.
I hope you soon learn to enjoy reciprocity.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on October 24, 2012, at 18:38:30
In reply to Lou's response-, posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 17:36:26
Lou,
I respect your passionate concerns regarding the dangers of antisemitism or any other type of bigotry. I share your concerns because I still see bigoted hatred exercised against the powerless by the powerful. I see that antisemitism exists in every corner of the world. However, I don't see such bigotry being exercised here on the part of the operator of Psycho-Babble.
Lou,
Where else can I find your writings on the Internet?
Lou,
I become very concerned for your welfare. I hope you have not been experiencing pain or discomfort as a result of your current efforts. I hope that you can find moments of peace. You deserve to enjoy times of quiet. However, your posting efforts elicit passionate disagreement with your language and conclusions. I am in disagreement with you, and find your postings to be deleterious to the welfare of others.
What initially attracted you to Psycho-Babble? Have you ever suffered from mental illness? If so, what were the results of your taking psychotropic drugs?
- Scott
Posted by SLS on October 24, 2012, at 18:51:56
In reply to Uncivil, of course. (nm) » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on October 24, 2012, at 17:45:55
How does one go about suggesting to someone that they are mentally ill without being uncivil? There must surely be a way.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 19:33:57
In reply to Re: Lou's response- » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on October 24, 2012, at 18:38:30
> Lou,
>
> I respect your passionate concerns regarding the dangers of antisemitism or any other type of bigotry. I share your concerns because I still see bigoted hatred exercised against the powerless by the powerful. I see that antisemitism exists in every corner of the world. However, I don't see such bigotry being exercised here on the part of the operator of Psycho-Babble.
>
> Lou,
>
> Where else can I find your writings on the Internet?
>
> Lou,
>
> I become very concerned for your welfare. I hope you have not been experiencing pain or discomfort as a result of your current efforts. I hope that you can find moments of peace. You deserve to enjoy times of quiet. However, your posting efforts elicit passionate disagreement with your language and conclusions. I am in disagreement with you, and find your postings to be deleterious to the welfare of others.
>
> What initially attracted you to Psycho-Babble? Have you ever suffered from mental illness? If so, what were the results of your taking psychotropic drugs?
>
>
> - Scottscottt,
You don' see on the part of the operator can be shown to you. Mr. Hsiung establishes what is supportive and thearfore th antisemiic statements in question could be seen as supportiv since they are allowed to stand. One he even says its OK tyo post it.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on October 24, 2012, at 20:59:01
In reply to Lou's response- elrhon » Phillipa, posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 16:57:05
Lou so you admit that you have been with Scientologists? And you believed them. Did you come to accept and promote their philosopy of meds are poison? Phillipa
Posted by Phil on October 24, 2012, at 21:16:03
In reply to Re: Lou is causing me to take a benzo » SLS, posted by Dinah on October 24, 2012, at 17:27:00
You're right, good point. One forum I was on had a 25 year old lovely psych major from Denmark moderating it. It didn't need much moderation but when someone p*ssed that girl off I thought, jeez I thought I could cuss.
She would kick *ss and take names and there were a lot of young people there. One thing is for sure, nobody did it again. Not many places you can do that though.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 21:21:20
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-chldsui » Lou Pilder, posted by gardenergirl on October 23, 2012, at 0:12:07
>
> > ... and if there was my perspective suppressed that could have saved their child's life, then whose blood would the dead child's be upon?
> > > Lou
>
> I call b*llsh*t. If your perspective were so imperative, then wouldn't you have a moral duty to post it as widely as possible? That you would choose this site, with its significantly declining views is a piss-poor use of your time and energy if what you have to say is so life-changing.
>
> So again, b*llsh*t. But I believe that you believe what you write. Sadly.
>
> gggg,
You wrote,
[...I believe that you believe what you write. Sadly...].
You say that it is sad that I believe what I have posted here. The operator here allows you to defame Judaism here by allowing you to post that without sanction. But does that make it right to post what you did?
If you are in some edu program, take this post to whoever is your mentor and let them tell you what you wrote means to a Jew when they read it. And the forum members here can see the hatred expoused in your post to me. If it is sad that a Jew blieves in the God that the Jews give service and worship to, is it also sad that Islamic perope believe what they believe, or th Christian or the Hindu or others? Who are you to say what peoeple can believe? Who ar you to judge my faith? Who are you to be on a mental-health forum that is open to all faiths? Who are you to be an American that welcoms all religions, all faiths, all races, all those of any national origin? Who are you to tell a Jew that is is sad that theybelieve in Judaism.
And what kind of community is this that no one comes to object to the hate posted here against Jews? It is sad, my friends. For it has been revealed to me that the God that I give service and worship to has his wrath stored up to fall down upon those that curse the Jews. And as in the days of Noah, there were the scoffers and the ridiculers and the mockers and the taunters like there is here now. And it has been revealed to me that a hard rain is gonna fall. And in that day the door on the ark will be shut to some. And they will cry out to open the door as the waters rise. And a voice will come out from the sky and say, "If you did it to the least of these my brethren, you have done it to me."
ou
Posted by Dinah on October 24, 2012, at 21:25:53
In reply to Lou's reply-ahnttyjudehyiszm, posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 21:21:20
Lou, are you ok?
Believe it or not, I want what's best for you. My issue is with certain of your behaviors, not you as a person.
It did me a lot of good to step away from the computer and take some deep breaths. I know you don't take benzos, but maybe it would help you feel better if you step away from the computer and take some time to calm down a bit?
Take care of yourself, ok?
Posted by Dinah on October 24, 2012, at 21:30:24
In reply to Re: Uncivil, of course. » Dinah, posted by SLS on October 24, 2012, at 18:51:56
It's a shame really that there is so much stigma attached to it. There's no shame in it. The brain is like any other part of our bodies. Sometimes it gives a hiccup or two. Why not be as matter of fact about it as possible, and treat it the same as high blood pressure or whatever.
Posted by Dinah on October 24, 2012, at 21:35:29
In reply to Re: Lou is causing me to take a benzo » Dinah, posted by Phil on October 24, 2012, at 21:16:03
As much as I complained about Bob's moderation when he was moderating, I never once thought the board would be better with no administrative policing at all. I don't think I've ever been part of any group whatsoever that didn't have some administrative review.
I'd certainly never join a community like that.
Posted by gardenergirl on October 24, 2012, at 23:10:07
In reply to Lou's reply-ahnttyjudehyiszm, posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 21:21:20
I made no comments about Judaism, Lou. Just about your behavior. I am capable of separating those two constructs. Would that you could.
Posted by gardenergirl on October 24, 2012, at 23:11:49
In reply to Lou's reply-ahnttyjudehyiszm, posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 21:21:20
But thanks for essentially telling me I'm going to hell. Charmed, I'm sure.
Posted by SLS on October 25, 2012, at 7:15:37
In reply to Re: Lou's response- » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on October 24, 2012, at 18:38:30
Hi Lou.
Perhaps Dinah is right in that it might be in your best interests to step away from the computer for awhile:
"It did me a lot of good to step away from the computer and take some deep breaths. I know you don't take benzos, but maybe it would help you feel better if you step away from the computer and take some time to calm down a bit?"
I also agree with her sentiments when she posts the following:
"Believe it or not, I want what's best for you. My issue is with certain of your behaviors, not you as a person."
Two questions:1. Was a psychiatric diagnosis ever offered to you by a mental health professional?
2. Which psychotropic drugs did you take?
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 25, 2012, at 15:43:35
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-ahnttyjudehyiszm » Lou Pilder, posted by gardenergirl on October 24, 2012, at 23:11:49
> But thanks for essentially telling me I'm going to hell. Charmed, I'm sure.
gg,
What in the post essentially staes that?
Lou
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