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Posted by Timne on July 7, 2009, at 10:46:54
In reply to Re: trust, posted by Dr. Bob on July 6, 2009, at 0:53:46
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> Maybe a negative view of other online groups reflects a positive view of this one. It may be a sign of cohesion.
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> BobAnother way of seeing it could be that people already aware of their peril because they hear ice cracking beneath their feet might be unwilling to step further, or to move about at all, on such thin ice.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 7, 2009, at 18:03:47
In reply to Re: trust..great post! » twinleaf, posted by fayeroe on July 6, 2009, at 18:33:39
> Everyone ... is very clear that they are NOT confusing past hurts in their lives with hurts which have occurred here on this site. They are so definitive and self-aware about this that it is really rather insulting and patronizing of you to keep telling posters here that you feel you know better than they do what their hidden or unconscious motives for feeling hurt might be.
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that anyone was confused or knew less than me. But even people who are really self-aware can be unaware of their unconscious motives.
> We would like you to understand that the large number of posters who have left have done so because this site, which they valued and trusted a lot, has hurt them. To be specific, your severe blocking policies have hurt them. In my six years posting here, it has been my experience that it is very rare for one poster to hurt another badly. Usually, things are worked out, or, quite often, posters who do not get anything positive out of posting to one another just avoid doing it. A large majority of the interactions here are tremendously caring, understanding and helpful. So, everyone is mostly solving the interpersonal problems which arise by themselves. Punitive actions are just not needed, although I think administrative help in making sure people do solve these situations can occasionally be very valuable.
I'm glad you've found it generally caring, understanding, and helpful here and have only rarely, if ever, been hurt badly by another poster.
I guess others may have left because of my policies or because they didn't get enough positive out of being here.
What sort of administrative help do you all think might be valuable?
> You have put yourself in the position of being like the Gorgon in the Greek myths, who ate his own children.
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express oneself are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
> > it's probably way overdue for me to stop talking about this.
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> I probably shouldn't talk about what Bob says either.
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> fayeroeI'm heartened that you're reflecting on how you use your power to post -- and that fayeroe is encouraging you to stop doing something that caused an infraction. Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 7, 2009, at 18:13:34
In reply to Re: Important question at end. Dinah + Dr. Bob, posted by Kath on July 6, 2009, at 20:09:45
> Is twitter like a house with many rooms & one of the rooms is the PsychoBabble Twitter? Another, if I chose to have one, would be Kath Twitter?
You could think of it that way. Many people talking in many rooms. Or, like a radio with many channels?
Bob
Posted by fayeroe on July 7, 2009, at 18:14:08
In reply to Re: power and encouragement » twinleaf, posted by Dr. Bob on July 7, 2009, at 18:03:47
> > Everyone ... is very clear that they are NOT confusing past hurts in their lives with hurts which have occurred here on this site. They are so definitive and self-aware about this that it is really rather insulting and patronizing of you to keep telling posters here that you feel you know better than they do what their hidden or unconscious motives for feeling hurt might be.
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> Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that anyone was confused or knew less than me. But even people who are really self-aware can be unaware of their unconscious motives.
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> > We would like you to understand that the large number of posters who have left have done so because this site, which they valued and trusted a lot, has hurt them. To be specific, your severe blocking policies have hurt them. In my six years posting here, it has been my experience that it is very rare for one poster to hurt another badly. Usually, things are worked out, or, quite often, posters who do not get anything positive out of posting to one another just avoid doing it. A large majority of the interactions here are tremendously caring, understanding and helpful. So, everyone is mostly solving the interpersonal problems which arise by themselves. Punitive actions are just not needed, although I think administrative help in making sure people do solve these situations can occasionally be very valuable.
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> I'm glad you've found it generally caring, understanding, and helpful here and have only rarely, if ever, been hurt badly by another poster.
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> I guess others may have left because of my policies or because they didn't get enough positive out of being here.
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> What sort of administrative help do you all think might be valuable?
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> > You have put yourself in the position of being like the Gorgon in the Greek myths, who ate his own children.
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> Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
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> But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
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> More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express oneself are in the FAQ:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
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> Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
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> > > it's probably way overdue for me to stop talking about this.
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> > I probably shouldn't talk about what Bob says either.
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> > fayeroe
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> I'm heartened that you're reflecting on how you use your power to post -- and that fayeroe is encouraging you to stop doing something that caused an infraction. Thanks,
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> BobBob, I was not talking to Twinleaf. I was saying that I probaly shouldn't talk about what you say. And to add to it, it doesn't do any good. Pat
Posted by fayeroe on July 7, 2009, at 18:14:17
In reply to Re: power and encouragement » twinleaf, posted by Dr. Bob on July 7, 2009, at 18:03:47
> > Everyone ... is very clear that they are NOT confusing past hurts in their lives with hurts which have occurred here on this site. They are so definitive and self-aware about this that it is really rather insulting and patronizing of you to keep telling posters here that you feel you know better than they do what their hidden or unconscious motives for feeling hurt might be.
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> Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that anyone was confused or knew less than me. But even people who are really self-aware can be unaware of their unconscious motives.
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> > We would like you to understand that the large number of posters who have left have done so because this site, which they valued and trusted a lot, has hurt them. To be specific, your severe blocking policies have hurt them. In my six years posting here, it has been my experience that it is very rare for one poster to hurt another badly. Usually, things are worked out, or, quite often, posters who do not get anything positive out of posting to one another just avoid doing it. A large majority of the interactions here are tremendously caring, understanding and helpful. So, everyone is mostly solving the interpersonal problems which arise by themselves. Punitive actions are just not needed, although I think administrative help in making sure people do solve these situations can occasionally be very valuable.
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> I'm glad you've found it generally caring, understanding, and helpful here and have only rarely, if ever, been hurt badly by another poster.
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> I guess others may have left because of my policies or because they didn't get enough positive out of being here.
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> What sort of administrative help do you all think might be valuable?
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> > You have put yourself in the position of being like the Gorgon in the Greek myths, who ate his own children.
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> Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
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> But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
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> More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express oneself are in the FAQ:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
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> Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
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> > > it's probably way overdue for me to stop talking about this.
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> > I probably shouldn't talk about what Bob says either.
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> > fayeroe
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> I'm heartened that you're reflecting on how you use your power to post -- and that fayeroe is encouraging you to stop doing something that caused an infraction. Thanks,
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> BobBob, I was not talking to Twinleaf. I was saying that I probaly shouldn't talk about what you say. And to add to it, it doesn't do any good. Pat
Posted by Zeba on July 7, 2009, at 22:05:29
In reply to Re: power and encouragement » twinleaf, posted by Dr. Bob on July 7, 2009, at 18:03:47
And what might Dr. Bob's unconscious motives be???
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on July 8, 2009, at 1:58:38
In reply to Re: trust » Dr. Bob, posted by Timne on July 7, 2009, at 10:46:54
Just like the Titanic thought it was unsinkable, crack! just going through some ice, and bumb....all terror broke lose! went down in 2 hours!
Anyways, need go down there see what's happenin'
It's suppost to be decaying....I don't know what's going to be left of it by 2020. Yet....show's "Titan" was a wierd logo it got. Something's are not coicencidece.
Posted by Timne on July 8, 2009, at 10:42:16
In reply to Re: Is twitter like a house, posted by Dr. Bob on July 7, 2009, at 18:13:34
Posted by rskontos on July 8, 2009, at 16:02:38
In reply to Re: trust, posted by twinleaf on July 6, 2009, at 15:26:25
Twinleaf,
So well put. And I say hear hear.
Dr. Bob so doesn't get it; it is about privacy. Alas, he almost always sees things so opposite of us. At least we admit we need(by being here) a mental health site, sometimes I wonder if..............
You do speak so well and Civilly. Well said.
rsk
Posted by twinleaf on July 8, 2009, at 16:30:39
In reply to Re: trust » twinleaf, posted by rskontos on July 8, 2009, at 16:02:38
Thanks so much for understanding, rsk. In the past, I have posted a lot of quite personal things here, and loss of privacy is really a worry to me. Needless to say, I won't be doing that anymore in the future. It just seems odd to me that Bob, who as a psychiatrist is presumably very well educated about privacy issues, has demonstrated so little understanding of how important privacy is for us- both for our emotional safety and well-being, and, in some instances, for our jobs. I personally think it would be much more professional if posters were given the choice of "opting-in" to Twitter.
Posted by Zeba on July 8, 2009, at 21:35:21
In reply to Re: trust » rskontos, posted by twinleaf on July 8, 2009, at 16:30:39
The stories I could tell you about the University of Chicago Dept. of Psychiatry and about the psychiatric unit there, well it would be very understandable to you why.
Zeba
Posted by twinleaf on July 8, 2009, at 21:57:11
In reply to Re: trust » twinleaf, posted by Zeba on July 8, 2009, at 21:35:21
That's disturbing to hear- I know you have had quite a bit of firsthand knowledge of it.
Posted by fayeroe on July 8, 2009, at 22:03:37
In reply to Re: trust » Zeba, posted by twinleaf on July 8, 2009, at 21:57:11
Wouldn't it be something if a psychiatrist somewhere started up a mental health support forum to help facilitate healing for the posters?
A psychiatrist who wouldn't set one up to grease his own wheels by using vulnerable people's posts for his research.
Sigh...........
Posted by Deneb on July 8, 2009, at 22:19:14
In reply to Re: trust » twinleaf, posted by fayeroe on July 8, 2009, at 22:03:37
Dr. Bob is not currently conducting research on this site. I think he is just promoting Babble.
I'm OK with research though, I wanna be a guinea pig. LOL They're cute.
I think it would be great for people to learn more because of what we write. I would love to contribute to other people's knowledge. I think we can really make a difference.
Posted by twinleaf on July 8, 2009, at 22:26:24
In reply to Re: Research » fayeroe, posted by Deneb on July 8, 2009, at 22:19:14
Don't we still have those anonymous posters with us who are part of a research project that Bob told us we were going to have? He said he would tell us about it after it was completed, but he hasn't said anything yet.
Posted by twinleaf on July 8, 2009, at 22:28:26
In reply to Re: trust » twinleaf, posted by fayeroe on July 8, 2009, at 22:03:37
It could be happening now on one of the other forums.
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 9, 2009, at 3:47:10
In reply to Re: trust » twinleaf, posted by fayeroe on July 8, 2009, at 22:03:37
> Wouldn't it be something if a psychiatrist somewhere started up a mental health support forum to help facilitate healing for the posters?
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> A psychiatrist who wouldn't set one up to grease his own wheels by using vulnerable people's posts for his research.
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> Sigh...........fayeroe,
You wrote,[...a psychiatrist who wouldn't set one up to grease his own wheels by using vulnerable people's posts for his research...].
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have a better understanding odf what you write here and respond accordingly.
A. What do you want to mean by [...set one up...]?
B. If you could define what you are wanting to mean by {set up}, then could you post a URL here to exemplify such?
C. What are youu wanting to mean by [...to grease his own wheels...]?
D. If you could define that phrase above, then could you post a URL here to exemplify such?
E. Is there a possibility that one reading your post could identify any specific person from what you wrote? If not, what in your post could rule out any particular person that is a psychiatrist?
Lou
Posted by twinleaf on July 9, 2009, at 6:22:46
In reply to Re: trust » twinleaf, posted by fayeroe on July 8, 2009, at 22:03:37
I think all this time, I have been assuming, or at least hoping, that this site was being run according to the Hippocratic oath which all physicians take, and which says, in part, "first, do no harm". It's been a long struggle for me to realize that that wonderful, 2000-year-old ideal has apparently been left behind in the information age.
Posted by fayeroe on July 9, 2009, at 9:36:20
In reply to Lou's request-mekanick, posted by Lou Pilder on July 9, 2009, at 3:47:10
Lou, I believe that I've told you NO three times in the last 10 days or so.
Please don't ask me to explain my posts to you.
Thank you
Posted by fayeroe on July 9, 2009, at 9:48:44
In reply to Re: trust » fayeroe, posted by twinleaf on July 9, 2009, at 6:22:46
> I think all this time, I have been assuming, or at least hoping, that this site was being run according to the Hippocratic oath which all physicians take, and which says, in part, "first, do no harm". It's been a long struggle for me to realize that that wonderful, 2000-year-old ideal has apparently been left behind in the information age.
I understand. Having spent half of my adult life observing people in the medical field, I know, that for the most part, the Hippocratic oath is in place.
When I came here, I was dying from withdrawal from EfexxorXR?. I think the XR was on the med I took.......whatever it said, it was killing me. I lost 38 pounds on it. I am 5' tall. I was wearing size 0 (zero) pants.
I was looking for information and found Babble. I wasn't well enough to see what I was signing away when I joined the forums. All I wanted was for someone to help me get off the med!! I found people who either were going through the same thing or they had managed to get off of the drug.
The emotional reassurance was what I needed. I needed to know that I would get through my pain.
My pharmacist and I devised a plan and after 6 or 7 months, I was free from EfexxorXR?
To tell you the truth, until it was brought up I didn't know I had signed the release.I am proof of someone coming here and signing up and never knowing that my words would be used by the site owner.
I have good friends here. I hate to start over. (I did go another forum and stay 2 years or so.) If I quit here, I doubt that I will risk putting it out there again.
Posted by twinleaf on July 9, 2009, at 15:25:23
In reply to Re: trust » twinleaf, posted by fayeroe on July 9, 2009, at 9:48:44
I'm so glad you told me how it started for you here. I think it's very similar for lots of people- we hit a very hard place with medications or therapy, or life itself, and are so much in need of new answers and approaches that when we find a place like Babble, which has so much to offer, we don't notice the down sides, like the severe blocking policies, or the signing away of our rights to privacy. I'm just like you- I didn't really notice either.
Babble does have such a lot to offer. I do think that it's very possible that it will develop in positive ways- the severe blocking policies may be toned down to a reasonable and fair level, and the administration may develop an increased respect for the rights and privacy of the entire community. It could happen!
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 9, 2009, at 17:59:55
In reply to Re: trust » rskontos, posted by twinleaf on July 8, 2009, at 16:30:39
> Bob ... has demonstrated so little understanding of how important privacy is for us
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you. I do hope you choose to remain a member of this community and other community members help you, if needed, to avoid future blocks.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express oneself are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
PS: According to the formula:
duration of previous block: 12 weeks
period of time since previous block: 7 weeks
severity: 2 (default)
block length = 19.66 rounded = 20 weeks
Posted by rskontos on July 10, 2009, at 1:06:49
In reply to Re: blocked for 20 weeks » twinleaf, posted by Dr. Bob on July 9, 2009, at 17:59:55
Ok Dr. Bob you have pissed me off for blocking Twinleaf. How is what she said "> Bob ... has demonstrated so little understanding of how important privacy is for us, offensive by anyone but you.
I remember so many times people actually cussed you and you did not block them. What changed. Did your skin thin out.
How can you block posters for saying things that are only directed to you, if you aren't a member of this site but the administrator.
I agree with her. I feel like the use of my words on twitter without my permission is wrong. I am feeling so badly now I am leaving.
I have never rec'd a PBC or a block. But now I don't really care what you do to me. Block me, because I erasing my bookmarks to this site and I am not going to help support a site that blocks for something I feel is a silly interpretation on your part. Not real uncivility on Twinleaf's part.
You know for a administrative you are showing a remarkedly hard heart in my view.
Now you can take this as an attack, but I feel like this is a complete waste of time. The traffic on psychology board is way off. I remember a time I could barely keep up with the new threads and posts. Now count the new ones. Very few.
And whose to blame. Look in the mirror.
And if you have read all my posts in the past I never get like this but I am feed up with all the cr@p going on.
I will leave my båbblemail on for a short time just so those I call friends can contact me for my real email address and then I will disable my entire account.
This is the final straw as far as i am concerned. This post is only intended for you Dr. Bob no one else should feel put down. You should not either you should take it for constructive criticism and learn that we are mentally needing support not you.
I could say the statement Twinleaf said to you to my p-doc, a Menniger trained psychiatrist and he would be ok with it and not feel put down. Why does it bother you so much.
..Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down...
Again the above referenced post by you, is that you are the only others that can feel put down.
I am sorry deputies if you must deal with this post because again it is intended for Dr. Bob only.
I will not read any of his responses because at this point I will he doesn't want to get us.
He makes me feel put down and under valued. I am not trying to make anyone feel accused or put down or undervalued, I am just tired of Dr. Bob making me and people I care about feel badly after expressing their views.
peace to all.
rsk
Man this gets me boiling.
Adios all.
**Disclaimer in the process of writing this post, it was not my intention to make anyone feel bad, just needed to say my piece, I have stayed quiet too long and tried to play nicely in the civility guidelines but I feel Dr. Bob is overreaching his authority. Dr. Bob I don't feel you are bad person just acting like a member here (and I don't think you really are or should be )who cannot begin to feel like us. Have you ever had therapy. Can you really relate to us.**
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 10, 2009, at 3:20:51
In reply to Re: blocked for 20 weeks » Dr. Bob, posted by rskontos on July 10, 2009, at 1:06:49
> I remember so many times people actually cussed you and you did not block them. What changed.
I've had second thoughts about having a double standard. For one thing, it's less inviting here if people are afraid of getting, as Seldom put it, a faceful of cat.
> I could say the statement Twinleaf said to you to my p-doc, a Menniger trained psychiatrist and he would be ok with it and not feel put down.
OK, but I'm not Twinleaf's p-doc.
Bob
Posted by Nadezda on July 10, 2009, at 8:46:29
In reply to Re: blocked for 20 weeks » Dr. Bob, posted by rskontos on July 10, 2009, at 1:06:49
Hi,rsk, I just wanted to say that I hope you reconsider.
For one thing, in leaving because Bob takes a certain action, you're in effect saying that Bob is more important to you than the relationships and exchanges with other people on the board. And I think that reverses the real significance of what's going on here. It's mostly other posters who make a personal investment in caring for and getting to know one another.
I always find it so hard to understand (although of course, I do understand how it happens) that posters would reject all of the rest of the otherse on Pbabble because Bob does this or that thing-- even things that we disagree with a lot.
I know he represents much more than he is personally-- but I hope you do reconsider. And I hope others do too.
You mention that traffic is down on the psych boards. But I think twitter was a way of communicating our valuable ideas (not violating privacy, or communicating our personal problems) to those who might be looking for some response to similar problems. And it might also bring those people, who use different media to interact (twitter, virtual realities, and other developments of cspace) to pbabble-- and add their insights and support to our community.
Maybe it wasn't a good idea-- I personally find it attractive, but I realize that many don't-- but it was done I believe with good intentions-- plus the desire to open up new platforms to us-- be a little inventive, try something new-- connect us to the larger world in a good way. Many took it otherwise.
But just as you would like Bob to reconsider his judgment about twinleaf and others-- and his system-- I guess I'd hope you and others might try, at least for a few minutes, thinking of Bob in a different light-- and seeing if his actions can't be seen as making sense, and possibly working for the good.
I do hope you reconsider and don't leave. If you do leave, I hope all goes well for you.
Nadezda
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