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Posted by Quintal on August 12, 2007, at 0:51:41
In reply to Please be civil - Honore, Phillipa, Quintal, posted by Deputy Dinah on August 12, 2007, at 0:25:11
Thank you Dinah, I will use the notify button in future. I am sorry if anything I said made Phillipa feel put down.
Q
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 12, 2007, at 1:14:34
In reply to Re: Please be civil - Honore, Phillipa, Quintal » Deputy Dinah, posted by Quintal on August 12, 2007, at 0:51:41
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 12, 2007, at 1:46:11
In reply to Re: What can I do?, posted by Phillipa on August 12, 2007, at 0:12:53
> my therapist does remember going to school with you although you were a year apart
> I don't know your real name
> I don't have a therapist.
> I can say whatever I want about myself.
Please don't post information that you know to be false. Or disclose without permission information that identifies or communications from another poster.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, please first see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 12, 2007, at 1:46:15
In reply to Re: Let's keep it civil everyone » Deputy Dinah, posted by Quintal on August 12, 2007, at 0:12:52
> I suppose there's nothing one can do about malicious emails?
It can be hard to stop someone from sending malicious emails, but:
> If you receive an abusive email or babblemail from someone here, please forward it directly to me (with all its headers, if you know how to do that). FWIW, I can then block any Psycho-Babble or associated Yahoo Group registrations using that email address.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#privacy
Also, you can complain directly to the sender's email provider. Often, the email address of their complaint department will be "abuse" @ the domain of their email address.
Bob
Posted by LlurpsieNoodle on August 12, 2007, at 9:12:58
In reply to Re: malicious emails, posted by Dr. Bob on August 12, 2007, at 1:46:15
For stepping in and clarifying what constitutes civil behavior.
I have been on the receiving end of distressing babblemails in the past and it took a long time to get things sorted out. Are they sorted out? I dunno. Haven't had any problems in about 2 months.
One lesson I've learned is never to say anything about another poster in a babblemail. Something along the lines of "you can't believe ____ she has borderline personality and is not to be trusted".
That kind of statement can be very harmful to the trusting relationship that is so vital to the support mission of babble.
Another thing I've learned is -- when in doubt say nothing. Things have an odd way of sorting themselves out. Those with less-than-honorable intentions create a series of consequences that will leave them exposed in the end. Consequences.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
-Ll
p.s. I don't think that anyone involved in this discussion is too mentally unstable to understand the implications of revealing personal information about another poster on the boards or in private communiques. In fact, for a group of people who have (often severe) mental illness, I find a great deal of integrity, common sense and compassion.
Posted by Phillipa on August 12, 2007, at 10:32:17
In reply to Re: please be civil » Phillipa, posted by Dr. Bob on August 12, 2007, at 1:46:11
Thank-you Dr. Bob I will not post info I know to be false. I really do not know any personal info but it's over now I will be more careful in the future. Love Phillipa
Posted by gardenergirl on August 12, 2007, at 14:28:20
In reply to Re: please be civil » Dr. Bob, posted by Phillipa on August 12, 2007, at 10:32:17
> Thank-you Dr. Bob I will not post info I know to be false.
What about the part of Dr. Bob's request that comes after "or"?
gg
Posted by NikkiT2 on August 12, 2007, at 17:47:23
In reply to Re: What can I do? » Phillipa, posted by OzLand on August 11, 2007, at 19:24:14
OzLand,
I know I don't post on PB often anymore, but I just wanted to say how shocked I feel after reading this thread, and to just let you know you have my support..
Not much, I know..
Nikki x
Posted by Fivefires on August 12, 2007, at 17:47:25
In reply to Re: I cannot post here ever again » Phillipa, posted by OzLand on August 11, 2007, at 13:07:02
Ozland, I read Phillipa's response to your post and I don't feel there was any intention to hurt you. Instead, I feel her intention was to give you her attention and, hence, comfort.
I haven't paid as much attention to you, or everyone, for that matter, as I should. I'm unfortunately selfish.
Neither of you have this nasty trait.
Who would you rather have in your corner, someone like me who's here and gone, or someone like Phillipa who you can always count on?
Some here have become so close over the years, we forget we're visible to the world.
You and she spend more time here than I, but even I can picture 'all of us sitting around a picnic table and gabbing'.
You're really going through a lot, I realized, as you shared account of Tvisit.
Saying the email from Phillipa is so upsetting was, I understand, your first response, but,
Did you intentionally mean to hurt her? I feel there's 'an attack' in your statement. There wasn't one in her post.
There wasn't a problem very acutely visible to others until you reacted.
So, I'm wondering, did you 'unintentionally attack her post'?
It just doesn't seem 'at all like you' to do so intentionally.
I'm just saddened to see two people who care so much about others, and I know care about each other, at odds.
I've not yet read Phillipa's response to your response here, but, at this point, I say, ask for forgiveness in the way you believe, forget about it, and move on.
You may deserve to be and feel angry, but afa I understand, we're not allowed to attack one another here. Or, rather, 'we shouldn't anyway'.
I just feel if you had it to do over, you would have posted differently or used the babble feature.
5f
Posted by sunnydays on August 12, 2007, at 17:47:26
In reply to Re: I cannot post here ever again, posted by Fivefires on August 12, 2007, at 13:29:15
I'm not sure you can make assumptions about how another person would feel. I saw a problem before reading Ozland's response, just for the record. I also don't believe that Phillipa meant any harm at all, and I believe she has been a very kind poster over the years I've been here. Privacy is a big issue, though, and different people have different levels of it that they need. I myself have HUGE privacy walls that I put up. I don't think that Ozland needs to ask forgiveness for wishing her privacy to be maintained.
sunnydays
Posted by Deputy 10derheart on August 12, 2007, at 18:01:49
In reply to Re: I cannot post here ever again, posted by Fivefires on August 12, 2007, at 17:47:25
>I feel there's 'an attack' in your statement.
> There wasn't a problem very acutely visible to others until you reacted.
> You may deserve to be and feel angry, but afa I understand, we're not allowed to attack one another here.Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, and please don't jump to conclusions about others.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.
10derHeart, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
Posted by Phillipa on August 12, 2007, at 18:02:25
In reply to Re: please be civil » Phillipa, posted by gardenergirl on August 12, 2007, at 14:28:20
Been gone all day nothing to disclose so what am I supposed to say. I'm not here all day to follow the threads. Just tell me what you want and I'll say it. Love Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on August 12, 2007, at 18:06:51
In reply to Re: please be civil » gardenergirl, posted by Phillipa on August 12, 2007, at 18:02:25
I'm very sorry for disclosing info about Ozland to an unnamed therapist. Love Phillipa
Posted by ClearSkies on August 12, 2007, at 18:24:08
In reply to Re: I cannot post here ever again » Fivefires, posted by sunnydays on August 12, 2007, at 17:47:26
> I'm not sure you can make assumptions about how another person would feel. I saw a problem before reading Ozland's response, just for the record. I also don't believe that Phillipa meant any harm at all, and I believe she has been a very kind poster over the years I've been here. Privacy is a big issue, though, and different people have different levels of it that they need. I myself have HUGE privacy walls that I put up. I don't think that Ozland needs to ask forgiveness for wishing her privacy to be maintained.
>
> sunnydaysYou worded this very well, Sunnydays. No matter what the intentions were, breaching someone else's right to privacy is a serious matter.
Thanks for saying this so eloquently.
ClearSkies
Posted by Fivefires on August 12, 2007, at 19:59:44
In reply to Re: I cannot post here ever again » Fivefires, posted by sunnydays on August 12, 2007, at 17:47:26
I wanted to reply to you personally sunnydays, but you don't have babble feature on.
I have some friends here who know me better than others. If I could talk to you alone sunnydays, you might understand me better.
I don't understand why some people don't have their babble feature on.(?) I'm always thinkin', 'Do they like have a bigger and better life than me or something'? I know, great self-esteem, huh? Does anyone else ever wonder about this? It's like the more a person hides, the more you want to see them!
I just saw a situation here where two people I care about were upset and tried to help.
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I'm not sure you can make assumptions about how another person would feel.
>I remember thinking why didn't the poster say 'I feel hurt or violated' and thinking this person is really angry and attacking the previous poster. I can't recall if poster said 'I feel angry'. I don't know where 'I assumed' for sure, but 'I've been called on the carpet' for doing this in my life b4. Maybe you'd include my post and I could better see my error.
>
I saw a problem before reading Ozland's response, just for the record.
>When I speak w/ someone outside babble, I'll either ask them to be discreet, or I'll say I don't care if the whole world knows. How could you be sure the latter wasn't the situation?
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I don't think that Ozland needs to ask forgiveness for wishing her privacy to be maintained.
>Of course not, but there's kind of a gray line there. Do we assume everything outside not be brought in? I think when we talk about things that are really private, it's sometimes important to add that we wish the person to be discreet. It might be ez to forget for some people now and then. I've probably done it and not even realized it. I care about privacy more now than when I first started here, because of situations like this occurring. Now, I'm so worried my child*en will read all of this when I'm 6foot under, they'll all come and stomp on me!
And, no, I wouldn't presume to orchestrate someone to ask for forgiveness. I think I've mispoken or been misunderstood. Actually, I was just looking @ my sticky, stuck on my lamp here. It's a Hawaiian word, hemolele, and it reads 'forget about it and ask for forgiveness ...' and then gets more religious, so won't go on.
I was truly just sharing an idea for everyone involved, including myself.
> sunnydays
5f
Posted by sunnydays on August 12, 2007, at 21:31:49
In reply to Re: I cannot post here ever again, posted by Fivefires on August 12, 2007, at 19:59:44
> I wanted to reply to you personally sunnydays, but you don't have babble feature on.
**** That's a privacy thing for me. While I like everyone here, there's no interaction I wish to have with anyone that could not be said on the boards. I know it is sometimes used to send supportive messages that are more intimate, but even though I know it is anonymous, I just don't feel safe using it.
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> I have some friends here who know me better than others. If I could talk to you alone sunnydays, you might understand me better.**** I am in chat sometimes if you catch me there. But I don't feel comfortable with the idea of Babblemail so I don't use it. Maybe I'm old-fashioned in that way, but I've seen lots of problems fed into by Babblemail here, so I prefer to stick with what can be said on the boards.
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> I don't understand why some people don't have their babble feature on.(?) I'm always thinkin', 'Do they like have a bigger and better life than me or something'? I know, great self-esteem, huh? Does anyone else ever wonder about this? It's like the more a person hides, the more you want to see them!**** I don't think I'm hiding. I do have a life outside of Babble, but that has nothing to do with not using Babblemail because the time I spend on the Internet could easily be used to reply to Babblemails. I don't hide the important things about myself here, I don't think. Things like where I live, my name, other things that I think might be identifying I don't want anyone to know and they wouldn't find out if I were to use to Babblemail anyway.
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> I just saw a situation here where two people I care about were upset and tried to help.*** I appreciate that. I didn't say you weren't trying to help.
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> I remember thinking why didn't the poster say 'I feel hurt or violated' and thinking this person is really angry and attacking the previous poster.**** Yes, and I was just saying that I thought you were making an assumption there about the poster's intentions. Who can know if that assumption is true except that poster?
I can't recall if poster said 'I feel angry'. I don't know where 'I assumed' for sure, but 'I've been called on the carpet' for doing this in my life b4. Maybe you'd include my post and I could better see my error.
**** Well, I don't think we're allowed to quote from other posts. I do believe the poster said she felt angry at some point. I don't want to go through a blow by blow of your post. I don't think it's helpful to get into something like that.
> When I speak w/ someone outside babble, I'll either ask them to be discreet, or I'll say I don't care if the whole world knows. How could you be sure the latter wasn't the situation?
**** Well.... Ozland seemed not to have wanted the entire world to know judging from her reaction. So that's how I know she didn't say she cared if the whole world knew. She may or may not have said specifically to be discreet, but there are some things that I think that shouldn't have to be specifically requested for.
> Of course not, but there's kind of a gray line there. Do we assume everything outside not be brought in?**** Yes, I would think so. I think that there is always a reason people wouldn't post something on the boards, and that unless the poster discloses something from outside on the boards themselves, it should remain off the boards. They may feel comfortable telling you something personally, but not the thousands of people that have access to it through Google.
I think when we talk about things that are really private, it's sometimes important to add that we wish the person to be discreet. It might be ez to forget for some people now and then. I've probably done it and not even realized it.
**** Everyone probably has at some point. But I think that everyone should be particularly careful when dealing with privacy issues and the Internet and it should be a thought not far from people's minds when they are posting and communicating here. Fortunately or not, all of our words on the boards are archived on Google. I think a lot of things shouldn't require someone to add they wish discretion... it should be a blanket assumption here. Lack of discretion should be the exception, I would think.
I care about privacy more now than when I first started here, because of situations like this occurring. Now, I'm so worried my child*en will read all of this when I'm 6foot under, they'll all come and stomp on me!
**** I can't tell whether or not you are joking here. Privacy is certainly an important issue to many people, though, so I'm glad you care about it.
> I was truly just sharing an idea for everyone involved, including myself.
*** And you're perfectly entitled to do so.
sunnydays
Posted by Deputy 10derheart on August 13, 2007, at 9:39:11
In reply to Re: I cannot post here ever again, posted by Fivefires on August 12, 2007, at 19:59:44
"I remember thinking why didn't the poster say 'I feel hurt or violated' and thinking this person is really angry and attacking the previous poster."
Keeping in mind that the idea here is not to post anything that could lead others to feel accused, could you please rephrase that? Maybe it will help to take another look at the problematic phrases I pointed out in my request (PBC) to you earlier in this thread? Thanks.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to this post, should of course themselves be civil.
Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this request was made in error.
10derHeart, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
Posted by Fivefires on August 13, 2007, at 12:17:35
In reply to Re: I cannot post here ever again » Fivefires, posted by sunnydays on August 12, 2007, at 21:31:49
> > I wanted to reply to you personally sunnydays, but you don't have babble feature on.
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> **** That's a privacy thing for me. While I like everyone here, there's no interaction I wish to have with anyone that could not be said on the boards. I know it is sometimes used to send supportive messages that are more intimate, but even though I know it is anonymous, I just don't feel safe using it.
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> > I have some friends here who know me better than others. If I could talk to you alone sunnydays, you might understand me better.
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> **** I am in chat sometimes if you catch me there. But I don't feel comfortable with the idea of Babblemail so I don't use it. Maybe I'm old-fashioned in that way, but I've seen lots of problems fed into by Babblemail here, so I prefer to stick with what can be said on the boards.
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> > I don't understand why some people don't have their babble feature on.(?) I'm always thinkin', 'Do they like have a bigger and better life than me or something'? I know, great self-esteem, huh? Does anyone else ever wonder about this? It's like the more a person hides, the more you want to see them!
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> **** I don't think I'm hiding.
>That was a joke.
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I do have a life outside of Babble, but that has nothing to do with not using Babblemail because the time I spend on the Internet could easily be used to reply to Babblemails. I don't hide the important things about myself here, I don't think. Things like where I live, my name, other things that I think might be identifying I don't want anyone to know and they wouldn't find out if I were to use to Babblemail anyway.
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> > I just saw a situation here where two people I care about were upset and tried to help.
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> *** I appreciate that. I didn't say you weren't trying to help.
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> > I remember thinking why didn't the poster say 'I feel hurt or violated' and thinking this person is really angry and attacking the previous poster.
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> **** Yes, and I was just saying that I thought you were making an assumption there about the poster's intentions. Who can know if that assumption is true except that poster?
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> I can't recall if poster said 'I feel angry'. I don't know where 'I assumed' for sure, but 'I've been called on the carpet' for doing this in my life b4. Maybe you'd include my post and I could better see my error.
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> **** Well, I don't think we're allowed to quote from other posts.>
>What?
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I do believe the poster said she felt angry at some point. I don't want to go through a blow by blow of your post. I don't think it's helpful to get into something like that.
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> > When I speak w/ someone outside babble, I'll either ask them to be discreet, or I'll say I don't care if the whole world knows. How could you be sure the latter wasn't the situation?
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> **** Well.... Ozland seemed not to have wanted the entire world to know judging from her reaction.You said you *saw* something wrong, in your prior post to me, referring to the initial post. And, now you're *judging*. These seem an awfully lot like the *making assumptions* that you drug me in here to accuse me of doing.
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So that's how I know she didn't say she cared if the whole world knew.
>Huh?
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She may or may not have said specifically to be discreet, but there are some things that I think that shouldn't have to be specifically requested for.
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> > Of course not, but there's kind of a gray line there. Do we assume everything outside not be brought in?
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> **** Yes, I would think so. I think that there is always a reason people wouldn't post something on the boards, and that unless the poster discloses something from outside on the boards themselves, it should remain off the boards. They may feel comfortable telling you something personally, but not the thousands of people that have access to it through Google.
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> I think when we talk about things that are really private, it's sometimes important to add that we wish the person to be discreet. It might be ez to forget for some people now and then. I've probably done it and not even realized it.
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> **** Everyone probably has at some point. But I think that everyone should be particularly careful when dealing with privacy issues and the Internet and it should be a thought not far from people's minds when they are posting and communicating here. Fortunately or not, all of our words on the boards are archived on Google. I think a lot of things shouldn't require someone to add they wish discretion... it should be a blanket assumption here. Lack of discretion should be the exception, I would think.
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> I care about privacy more now than when I first started here, because of situations like this occurring. Now, I'm so worried my child*en will read all of this when I'm 6foot under, they'll all come and stomp on me!
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> **** I can't tell whether or not you are joking here.Joking.
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Privacy is certainly an important issue to many people, though, so I'm glad you care about it.
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> > I was truly just sharing an idea for everyone involved, including myself.
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> *** And you're perfectly entitled to do so.
>I don't mean to sound condescending, but I don't believe I've violated anyone's privacy here and I am too ill to be, what feels like, lectured.
I'd appreciate it, please, also, if you'd not lend yourself to telling me what I am entitled to do here, unless, of course, you are a deputy.
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sunnydays
>Your welcome, 5f
Posted by Gabbi-2 on August 13, 2007, at 16:02:15
In reply to Re: What can I do? » OzLand, posted by NikkiT2 on August 12, 2007, at 17:47:23
Nikki said it for me too.
Shocked and revolted.> OzLand,
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> I know I don't post on PB often anymore, but I just wanted to say how shocked I feel after reading this thread, and to just let you know you have my support..
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> Not much, I know..
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> Nikki x
Posted by Fivefires on August 13, 2007, at 17:12:52
In reply to Re: please rephrase that, posted by Fivefires on August 13, 2007, at 17:07:12
> > "I remember thinking why didn't the poster say 'I feel hurt or violated or angry', as it would have been easier to deal with the issue if the poster had given the other poster an opening such as the prior. Without this, I felt as if one poster was attacking another poster for a reason that was not clear to me."
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> > Keeping in mind that the idea here is not to post anything that could lead others to feel accused, could you please rephrase that? Maybe it will help to take another look at the problematic phrases I pointed out in my request (PBC) to you earlier in this thread?
>I'm sorry 10derheat, but I did not receive the PBC. I mean, it is not in my inbox and it never came to my inbox.
Is a PBC supposed to come to me like a notification?
>
Thanks.
> >You're welcome.
5f
> > If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
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> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
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> > Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to this post, should of course themselves be civil.
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> > Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this request was made in error.
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> > 10derHeart, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
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Posted by Fivefires on August 13, 2007, at 17:54:58
In reply to Please be civil » Fivefires, posted by Deputy 10derheart on August 12, 2007, at 18:01:49
> >I feel there's 'an attack' in your statement.
I did not say, 'There's an attack in your statement'. I said, 'what I felt’, and I further suggested I did NOT believe it was the poster's intention to attack.
> > There wasn't a problem very acutely visible to others until you reacted.
>What I meant here is ‘I and any others, who weren't involved in the situation occurring, and didn't have knowledge of the level of privacy there was in this poster to poster relationship' would have been less drawn to pay any attention if the poster had not responded, but instead chosen to use the babble feature if possible, or notified administration. I understand it's so hard not to react; I do it way too much. But here online, we have time 'to think' before we hit the send button. These two posters have been across the wires from me for years, so I know they've been across the wires from each other for years, and I wished, out of the length of the relationship at least, the poster had chosen one of the latter options. There would have been less pain and less publicity.
> > You may deserve to be and feel angry, but afa I understand, we're not allowed to attack one another here.
>The poster used the other poster's name and spoke to others about how she felt angry towards her in at least one post. The definition of attack is 'to speak or write against another'.
> Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, and please don't jump to conclusions about others.
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> If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
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> Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
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> Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.
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> 10derHeart, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
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Posted by sunnydays on August 13, 2007, at 18:04:05
In reply to Re: I cannot post here ever again, posted by Fivefires on August 13, 2007, at 12:17:35
Never mind. My life is going downhill faster than I can say. I can't deal with this anymore right now. I'm sorry you feel I was lecturing you. Not my intention at all. And my intention in saying you're entitled to offer an idea was more to acknowledge for myself that everyone's allowed to have their own ideas even if I don't agree with them. Nothing more. I'm sorry if I've hurt or offended you. I'm just having an incredibly hard time today and I won't be replying anymore to this thread. Just not worth the stress to my mental health.
sunnydays
Posted by Fivefires on August 13, 2007, at 18:24:45
In reply to Re: I cannot post here ever again » Fivefires, posted by sunnydays on August 13, 2007, at 18:04:05
Well thank you, and I apologize as well.
I hope you're still here.
No, you know what? I thought you were very articulate and made perfect sense about privacy and you could maybe even write something up here for the site.
I guess I was taking it a little too, sort of, at me, or, well, personally. (I hate that word.) See that was supposed to be sort of funny, but, no, I'm not in the mood for laughing either. I'm having an incredibly hard day as well. I'm very depressed and Pdoc hasn't responded to 3x calling.
It's difficult w/o inflection here and I'm not sure that we've known one another very long. I joke around quite a bit.This was a very bad situation for everyone.
I hope you feel better.
5f
Posted by Phillipa on August 14, 2007, at 23:25:05
In reply to Re: please be civil » gardenergirl, posted by Phillipa on August 12, 2007, at 18:02:25
Well I accomplished what you wanted I stopped the thread but I never disclosed info to my therapist about another poster. Said it to stop the thread and hopefully calm you all down. The only person I know of is Dr. Bob who is using babble as a research tool for the University of Chicago I think. And his presentations. I have pics posted by babblers of themselves and others sent them to me or other posters sent them to me. Now put on google and write in med checker and use the internet google. Babble comes right up. Phillipa ps I've send an e-mail with my therapist's name to Dr. Bob and how to reach her. So that will clear things up as you have nothing to fear from me. I'm just trying to learn and help other people feel good about themselves as can't nurse anymore too many medical problems back and auto immune. Sorry that you all got so upset.
Posted by Phillipa on August 14, 2007, at 23:38:54
In reply to Re: Accomplished the Goal, posted by Phillipa on August 14, 2007, at 23:25:05
How strange this time it doesn't come up under med checker also tried vivactil as was researching so not the right name. My apologies on that but the rest of the post is true. I'm going to try a few more. Phillipa
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