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Posted by muffled on May 7, 2007, at 12:43:23
In reply to Re: what survey to work on » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on May 7, 2007, at 9:51:20
What Dinah? Are you talking bout the C thing?Mebbe he was serious. He DOES kinda come and go.... Mebbe he gets overwhelmed too.
I am the queen of overwhelmed.
((Dinah))
I just posted cuz given you know who's history, well, he may or may not reply...
Take care Dinah, you a goodun.
Deputy Dinah, you do great work here.
((Deputy Dinah))
Muffled
P.S. HA, just had a funny thot. Mebbe the reason I can so easily separate the deputies from their poster selves, is cuz I am split myself, HA! So there's another good thing of split. HA!
LOL!
Have a good day Dinah.
Posted by Phillipa on May 7, 2007, at 19:06:54
In reply to Re: Internet Self-Help Groups, posted by Dr. Bob on May 7, 2007, at 7:43:51
Most are relatet to Cancer it looked like to me. Love Phillipa
Posted by LlurpsieNoodle on May 7, 2007, at 19:12:07
In reply to Re: what survey to work on, posted by Dr. Bob on May 7, 2007, at 7:36:06
> > I like (c) and (f). Those are two topics I'd have a lot to say about and I'm sure others would also.
>
> OK, if we consider (d) eliminated, too, that leaves:
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> c. the reasons for lurking versus participation, or how/when/why posters move from one to the other, and possibly back again
> f. what factors cause people to post here rather than discuss med problems with their pdocs or other physicians
>
> Maddie, what do you think? Llurpsie, would you be more interested in one of these than the other?
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> > I am one of those who would fall under (c). :-)
> >
> > thuso
>
> Me, too...
>
> BobAs I've said before, I am very flexible. If Dr. Bob likes C, I think we should go with C. Or at least START with C.
best,
Ll
Posted by 10derHeart on May 8, 2007, at 0:33:20
In reply to Re: what survey to work on » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on May 7, 2007, at 9:51:20
Posted by Racer on May 8, 2007, at 1:00:21
In reply to Re: what survey to work on » Dr. Bob, posted by LlurpsieNoodle on May 7, 2007, at 19:12:07
Posted by LlurpsieNoodle on May 8, 2007, at 15:49:23
In reply to Re: Internet Self-Help Groups, posted by Dr. Bob on May 7, 2007, at 7:43:51
Houston TK. Cooper LA. Ford DE. Nice abstract on the efficacy of online support groups to help improve depression symptomology.
Dr. Bob, if your website has a mission statement (to provide support and education?) then wouldn't you also wish to have some evidence that you're actually helping users to feel better and heal faster (i.e. that this support group provides additonal benefit beyond psychotherapy and medication?)
Of course, no one knows whether 'lurking' provides the same types of benefits as being an active poster. Research on the other types of health-realated support groups seem to suggest that yes, there are benefits to being a more active participant.
So, I guess that's my reasoning for picking C. Ultimately, it comes down to helping people feel/get better, though, so I'd love to investigate whether amount of lurking/reading is associated with any type of relief
So, null hypothesis number 1)
lurkers will not reap the same benefits as active posters, perhaps because they will not recieve as much direct personalized support as active posters
Null hypothesis number 2)
People switch from being lurkers to posters because they feel the need for more direct support/advice/information? We could do a small pilot study with open-ended responses to see if any patterns emerge, and if so, proceed with a larger-scale multiple choice + open-ended format.
And here's where I have no experience really. Why would someone switch from being poster to being lurker. I can speculate on a few causes, but this is probably where a survey with open-ended responses is necessary. My speculations are that posters may find that psycho-babble no longer provides information that is relevant to them (perhaps they are in remission?); they have experienced problems with the psychobabble format; they have experienced negative feelings after specific interactions with posters and/or administrators; they have been blocked and choose not to return, or to return only to lurk; etc.
I'm not saying that this is a comprehensive list of possibilities. Rather that it may be useful to try to frame the research study into specific questions and goals at this point.
Plus my therapist is concerned that I'm underoccupied. She may be right. She suggested doing some volunteer work. I'm not sure this is exactly what she had in mind, but there are only so many hours of the day for arts and crafts projects...
-Ll
Posted by Honore on May 8, 2007, at 17:08:36
In reply to Re: what survey to work on » Dr. Bob, posted by LlurpsieNoodle on May 7, 2007, at 19:12:07
The thing with f) is that it assumes that people post rather than talk with pdocs, whereas people may post so as to talk better with pdocs-- to find information that will make discussions with pdocs more complete and useful.
I think it's more that people post here rather than read journal articles, or do other types of research that may not be available.
Also, given the economics of many visits to pdocs to ask questions, it may simply not be feasible to continue a dialogue if thoughts or questions arise frequently, or outside the moment of one's occasional appointments. So again, this site might supplement, rather than compete with, pdocs, etc.
But while I think the question of lurking is most interesting, I do see certain problems with interacting with lurkers-- since they are a somewhat elusive and hard to identify class.
But if we could somehow find a way to study them somewhat, I think it might be illuminating.
Honore
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 18, 2007, at 14:37:25
In reply to more research here, posted by Dr. Bob on December 1, 2006, at 13:16:52
> it might be something we could present at the APA annual meeting in May 2008 in Washington, DC, while we're there for our annual birthday party.
I'm sorry we didn't have a party in San Diego this year. And I think it's too early to submit our survey for Washington. Maybe for May 2009 in San Francisco?
And we might be able to do something else for Washington. A couple other psychiatrists and I are thinking about proposing a workshop on blogs, online communities, and virtual worlds. My section would address how people use this online community and deal with issues like anonymity, privacy, boundaries, and educating each other. Would any of you be interested in participating? One way to do it would be to come in person (as in Toronto). Or I guess we could just have a babblechat (if we get wireless and they bring laptops).
Or do you have other ideas?
I think the submission deadline will be September 20.
Bob
Posted by thuso on July 19, 2007, at 21:25:12
In reply to Re: APA meeting in May in Washington, posted by Dr. Bob on July 18, 2007, at 14:37:25
> And we might be able to do something else for Washington. A couple other psychiatrists and I are thinking about proposing a workshop on blogs, online communities, and virtual worlds. My section would address how people use this online community and deal with issues like anonymity, privacy, boundaries, and educating each other. Would any of you be interested in participating? One way to do it would be to come in person (as in Toronto). Or I guess we could just have a babblechat (if we get wireless and they bring laptops).
>
> Or do you have other ideas?I actually think this is a good idea. Blogs, online communities, and virtual worlds are becoming huge online (even within the medical community). It's amazing how many psychiatrists even have their own blogs now. So, I think this would make a great presentation. Being that this will be in my backyard, I can probably participate or help in some way. You just have to let me know what I can do to help.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 19, 2007, at 21:51:10
In reply to Re: APA meeting in May in Washington » Dr. Bob, posted by thuso on July 19, 2007, at 21:25:12
> It's amazing how many psychiatrists even have their own blogs now.
That would be one of the other topics. :-)
> So, I think this would make a great presentation. Being that this will be in my backyard, I can probably participate or help in some way. You just have to let me know what I can do to help.
Thanks!
Bob
Posted by Honore on July 19, 2007, at 22:02:23
In reply to Re: APA meeting in May in Washington, posted by Dr. Bob on July 19, 2007, at 21:51:10
I'd like to be involved in some way, although I'm not sure I'd want to be a presenter.
Honore
Posted by LlurpsieNoodle on July 20, 2007, at 10:03:36
In reply to Re: APA meeting in May in Washington, posted by Honore on July 19, 2007, at 22:02:23
I could be convinced to go.
I might feel like hiding though.
Will demands be a foe?
Still have some betablockers, so...
Could be good for me, no?Dunno if I could live up to Deneb*'s contributions, though.
****
Dr. Bob-- questions:
were you going to take charge of this survey project, ordid you want us babblers to design and execute the study?
Who what when where how? b-mail me? I dunno
I was hoping to work on it some as a hobby, but I'm not sure where to start. I don't want to waste my precious time as an unemployed housewife either :)
-Ll
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 20, 2007, at 15:43:21
In reply to Re: APA meeting in May in Washington, posted by LlurpsieNoodle on July 20, 2007, at 10:03:36
> I'd like to be involved in some way, although I'm not sure I'd want to be a presenter.
>
> HonoreThanks, it would be great to have your help even if you stayed behind the scenes.
> I could be convinced to go.
> I might feel like hiding though.
> Will demands be a foe?
> Still have some betablockers, so...
> Could be good for me, no?
>
> Dunno if I could live up to Deneb*'s contributions, though.
>
> -Ll:-)
> Workshops are 90-minute sessions, which typically involve brief presentations from individual panel members, followed by the opportunity for lively and informative discussion. This format provides for substantial audience participation and should be highly interactive.
So how about if we have 2-3 presenters? I'd be happy just to introduce our section and turn it over to you. And I guess it's not too early to start thinking about our portion of the abstract:
> Abstract (300 words or less) - An abstract of up to 300 words [total for the workshop] is required for each submission. The abstract is a concise description of the specific purpose, content, methodology, results, and importance of the proposed presentation. State specific findings and inferences explicitly. End with a concluding statement that provides a strong summary for the abstract.
We could proceed here or by email/babblemail. Or even babblechat. What do you all think?
--
> were you going to take charge of this survey project
I'm trying to get back to that, too, but I'm not there yet... Thanks for your patience,
Bob
Posted by thuso on July 20, 2007, at 17:44:06
In reply to Re: APA meeting in May in Washington, posted by Dr. Bob on July 20, 2007, at 15:43:21
> So how about if we have 2-3 presenters? I'd be happy just to introduce our section and turn it over to you. And I guess it's not too early to start thinking about our portion of the abstract:
>You could do this, but I'm guessing that the audience would also like to hear your take on things.
> We could proceed here or by email/babblemail. Or even babblechat. What do you all think?
>Naturally, here would be easiest because not everyone would have to be on at the same time like with a chat. I would prefer chat because it is real-time, but understand how hard that might be to coordinate with everyone. But if we did chat, you would probably want to save a record of what was said or ideas could easily be forgotten. The email/babblemail might only be good for those 1-on-1 conversations you might need to have.
I guess this means I don't know which way to proceed. Too many pro's and cons for each option. Argh! My personal preference would be via chat, but I don't know if that would work for everyone.
I'm interested to hear everyone else's take on this.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 21, 2007, at 10:40:56
In reply to Re: APA meeting in May in Washington » Dr. Bob, posted by thuso on July 20, 2007, at 17:44:06
> > I'd be happy just to introduce our section and turn it over to you.
>
> You could do this, but I'm guessing that the audience would also like to hear your take on things.I could prepare something, too, and participate in the discussion, I just want to make sure you all have as much of the time as you need.
> > We could proceed here or by email/babblemail. Or even babblechat. What do you all think?
>
> Naturally, here would be easiest because not everyone would have to be on at the same time like with a chat. I would prefer chat because it is real-time, but understand how hard that might be to coordinate with everyone. But if we did chat, you would probably want to save a record of what was said or ideas could easily be forgotten. The email/babblemail might only be good for those 1-on-1 conversations you might need to have.
>
> I guess this means I don't know which way to proceed. Too many pro's and cons for each option. Argh! My personal preference would be via chat, but I don't know if that would work for everyone.What do the rest of you think? I could probably work in a chat on Monday...
Bob
Posted by Honore on July 21, 2007, at 13:14:22
In reply to Re: APA meeting in May in Washington, posted by Dr. Bob on July 21, 2007, at 10:40:56
Is there a time you had in mind to chat? would that be Monday, July 23?
Honore
Posted by LlurpsieNoodle on July 21, 2007, at 14:24:19
In reply to Re: Chat on Monday, July 23? » Dr. Bob, posted by Honore on July 21, 2007, at 13:14:22
I'd be happy to participate in a chat about poss. presentation in D.C.
my calendar is empty. just say when.
-Ll
Posted by Honore on July 22, 2007, at 11:03:08
In reply to Re: Chat on Monday, July 23? » Honore, posted by LlurpsieNoodle on July 21, 2007, at 14:24:19
Hey, Llurpsie, or thuso or anyone else who might be interested-- is there a time that's good for you?
Maybe we can talk and then chat with Dr. Bob at some time of his convenience.
I have a class Monday, and don't get home until about 10 pm-- so if I grab some dinner-- I could probably be online by 10:30 or 11pm.
I'm also around in the afternoon on Monday, probably after 3 pm until 5:30. The chat is usually less busy in the afternoon-- although that's not always true.
Or I have any time Tuesday (at the moment). If I work in the evening, I'm usually done by 9 pm-- and less exhausted than by the class. But it's also quite possible I won't work Tuesday-- so I might have any time.
Or any other day in the week.
Honore
Posted by LlurpsieNoodle on July 22, 2007, at 11:32:26
In reply to Re: Chat on Monday, July 23?, posted by Honore on July 22, 2007, at 11:03:08
> Hey, Llurpsie, or thuso or anyone else who might be interested-- is there a time that's good for you?
>
> Maybe we can talk and then chat with Dr. Bob at some time of his convenience.
>
> I have a class Monday, and don't get home until about 10 pm-- so if I grab some dinner-- I could probably be online by 10:30 or 11pm.
>
> I'm also around in the afternoon on Monday, probably after 3 pm until 5:30. The chat is usually less busy in the afternoon-- although that's not always true.
>
> Or I have any time Tuesday (at the moment). If I work in the evening, I'm usually done by 9 pm-- and less exhausted than by the class. But it's also quite possible I won't work Tuesday-- so I might have any time.
>
> Or any other day in the week.
>
> HonoreI'm available at all of those times you mentioned. I wonder what our busy psychiatrist-administrator thinks... If I had a preference it would be for Tuesday. I can time the dose of my Monday meds so that I won't be stuporous by 2230 though.
-Ll
Posted by thuso on July 22, 2007, at 15:09:38
In reply to Re: Chat on Monday, July 23?, posted by Honore on July 22, 2007, at 11:03:08
As long as we are talking EST, any time Monday or Tuesday night works for me. I figured it would be around 9-10-ish to accommodate anyone on the west coast. Just let me know when.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 23, 2007, at 10:25:44
In reply to Re: Chat on Monday, July 23?, posted by thuso on July 22, 2007, at 15:09:38
> I have any time Tuesday (at the moment). If I work in the evening, I'm usually done by 9 pm-- and less exhausted than by the class.
>
> Honore> If I had a preference it would be for Tuesday.
>
> -Ll> As long as we are talking EST, any time Monday or Tuesday night works for me. I figured it would be around 9-10-ish to accommodate anyone on the west coast.
>
> thusoThanks, how about 9:30 pm Eastern = 8:30 pm Central tomorrow Tuesday July 24?
Bob
Posted by thuso on July 23, 2007, at 19:38:22
In reply to Re: Chat on Tuesday, July 24?, posted by Dr. Bob on July 23, 2007, at 10:25:44
Posted by karen_kay on July 23, 2007, at 20:19:15
In reply to Re: Chat on Tuesday, July 24?, posted by Dr. Bob on July 23, 2007, at 10:25:44
i'm assuming (and yes, i know what that means) you'd be using a different room, that way those who normally use the room to talk about bacon sandwhiches, our jammies, how mean mr kk is (or great, depending on my mood), how we can't keep private messages from becoming public (any way to fix that one mister bob? that's administrtive and i have a real problem there!!!!)....
anyway, what i'm saying is
1. i'm not sure what you guys are planning for tuesday night, but i kinda like sitting in chat since i live a rather borign existence and have nto much else to do. i hardly doubt i can keep up with your 'smart' talk, whatever that is. i haven't even been able to open the thread to read it, thus provign my point. your names look rather smart to me, as i am but initials.
2. some of the regular chatters are only able to go to room 2. like i mentioned, i havent' read the rest of the thread, so i may look like a real assumer here (not the first time, but i'm feelign rather bold and confident and not afraid to ask questions).
3. basically, 'what's goign on tomorrow night?' is it going to be one of those 'we can talk abotu 'smart stuff' or we can talk about 'jammies and bacon sandwhiches'? can some one break it down to a girl who just sustained a severe head injury (ok, it's not that severe, but i am rather dramatic.)?
4. is regular chat goign to be open, for those of us who get rather lonely and look forward to taking about bacon sandwhiches?
5. am i spelling sandwhiches right? i have a really bad feelign i'm not.
i'd really like an answer to most of my questions. you don't have to answer number 5. i fear i already knwo the answer to that one...
thank you and not trying to be rude. just trying to catch up and not show up to a black tie affair wearing my jammies eatign a bacon sandwhich,
kk
Posted by karen_kay on July 23, 2007, at 20:47:58
In reply to what room are you using? » Dr. Bob, posted by karen_kay on July 23, 2007, at 20:19:15
nevermind, i figured it out.
i'm learning about assuming though :)
i'll be in room 2 in my jammies talking about bacon sandwiches tomorrow night though, if anyone wants to join me. maybe it'll get frisky even? i like sausage too! :)
Posted by LlurpsieNoodle on July 23, 2007, at 20:51:25
In reply to bacon sandwiches room 2, posted by karen_kay on July 23, 2007, at 20:47:58
mmmm sausage.
I'll bring the canapes to both regular chat and business chat. deal?
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