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Posted by alexandra_k on December 17, 2004, at 15:16:29
With an 'a' instead of a @ that is.
I don't.
Posted by Dinah on December 17, 2004, at 16:27:21
In reply to POLL: Anybody find '@ss' offensive???, posted by alexandra_k on December 17, 2004, at 15:16:29
Dr. Bob said he doesn't personally find it offensive either. I'm not quite sure what that means. Or who he's trying not to offend.
Posted by alexandra_k on December 17, 2004, at 16:38:23
In reply to Re: POLL: Anybody find '@ss' offensive??? » alexandra_k, posted by Dinah on December 17, 2004, at 16:27:21
> Dr. Bob said he doesn't personally find it offensive either. I'm not quite sure what that means. Or who he's trying not to offend.
I know. I think it is about Mirriam Webster and what they consider to be offensive. But if nobody finds it offensive here, then I see no reason why we shouldn't be allowed to say it. I figure people are protesting against this 'unresonable' rule (in the sense that nobody can figure out the reason for it) in inappropriate ways sometimes.
I figure it may be appropriate to have a poll. If nobody here finds it offensive then the issue becomes why we don't get some say in this issue.
Posted by Dinah on December 17, 2004, at 16:42:26
In reply to Re: POLL: Anybody find '@ss' offensive??? » Dinah, posted by alexandra_k on December 17, 2004, at 16:38:23
Maybe if Dr. Bob explained his reasoning better, there would be less urge to rebel? Because it's the seeming unreasonableness that causes the problem.
I think everyone thought he was a prude. But that doesn't tally well with my understanding of Dr. Bob.
I don't think Babble ever has been or ever will be a democracy. But an informed populace is more willing to follow the rules, I'll bet.
Posted by alexandra_k on December 17, 2004, at 16:54:12
In reply to Re: POLL: Anybody find '@ss' offensive??? » alexandra_k, posted by Dinah on December 17, 2004, at 16:42:26
> Maybe if Dr. Bob explained his reasoning better, there would be less urge to rebel? Because it's the seeming unreasonableness that causes the problem.
That is exactly right IMO.
> I think everyone thought he was a prude. But that doesn't tally well with my understanding of Dr. Bob.No, he even said that he didn't find it offensive personally.
> I don't think Babble ever has been or ever will be a democracy. But an informed populace is more willing to follow the rules, I'll bet.I do not really understand what it would mean if Babble were to become a democracy. In the sense of voting for moderators I don't think many would be prepared to play that game because most of us (or perhaps I should just speak for myself here) wouldn't be prepared to partake in something where there would be a danger of it turning into a popularity contest. My self esteem isn't up to it for one.
But when there is a consensus and no reason is offered for why everyone is just being ignored... Well, thats my only problem.
Posted by henrietta on December 17, 2004, at 20:44:26
In reply to POLL: Anybody find '@ss' offensive???, posted by alexandra_k on December 17, 2004, at 15:16:29
Here's what I find offensive: writing f''ing or sh%^t or a##s or donke&&y or he double hockey sticks or whatever that 7th grade c^^p was. Everyone knows what is meant (scr## instead of F**ck)--- We all read the signs, know the words intended, accept the words intended, and COMMUNICATE what we need to communicate, even in the required encrypted form. It is inauthentic and dishonest to say that f'ing(i.e. fucking) is ok while "fucking" is not. To say aZZ is ok while ass is not. To say s&*t is ok while shit is not.
Well, you get the point. I could go on all night.
When I read the disguised (required encryption)
words a##, or Cr^p, or F&*ck on this site, I'm reading to myself , of course, ass, crap, fuck, and so are all the people who may or may not be offended by this language. What exactly is the point of allowing a## and not ass, when we all know what a## meaaaans? The people who find this offensive are still understanding what is being said----what, you think they're so dumb they don't know that f%^ck is fuck?
OOO, interesting typo. What does meaaaaaaans mean? What does F4L7Bu&& mean?
Sorry.
Back to the point. I'm offended by dishonest manipulation of language and the way that manipulation can and has been used over centuries
to oppress, repress, silence people.
Never mind. I see I've lost the juice and gist of my tirade, and I need to go to bed, and I don't give a Flying (I thhinkthat part's OK) you know what, blah blah blah
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 17, 2004, at 20:57:07
In reply to Re: POLL: Anybody find '@ss' offensive???, posted by henrietta on December 17, 2004, at 20:44:26
Posted by henrietta on December 17, 2004, at 21:12:56
In reply to Re: POLL: Anybody find '@ss' offensive???, posted by henrietta on December 17, 2004, at 20:44:26
It is, apparently, civil to call oneself an imbecile, a jerk, a loser? You'd not get blocked for using those words against yourself? And yet three letters A S S get you blocked? Three letters. Does language have meaning? Do these marks have meaning, content?
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 17, 2004, at 21:21:57
In reply to Re: POLL: Anybody find '@ss' offensive??? » Dinah, posted by alexandra_k on December 17, 2004, at 16:38:23
> I think it is about Mirriam Webster and what they consider to be offensive. But if nobody finds it offensive here, then I see no reason why we shouldn't be allowed to say it.
People may find it offensive, but not say so...
> I figure people are protesting against this 'unresonable' rule (in the sense that nobody can figure out the reason for it) in inappropriate ways sometimes.
That's an interesting hypothesis, that the perception of unreasonableness prompts a protest. Not to deflect this discussion, but would you be willing to consider whether you've been in situations like that in the past?
Bob
Posted by MKB on December 17, 2004, at 21:47:52
In reply to POLL: Anybody find '@ss' offensive???, posted by alexandra_k on December 17, 2004, at 15:16:29
If someone uses that word, I ignore it, but I find myself quite able to communicate without using it myself. I guess I just didn't grow up hearing it.
Posted by gardenergirl on December 17, 2004, at 23:31:42
In reply to Re: POLL: Anybody find '@ss' offensive??? » alexandra_k, posted by MKB on December 17, 2004, at 21:47:52
I personally do not find the word offensive, and I have used it many times in the past and will use it many times in the future. I use it neary everytime I ever speak of my ex-fiance, the ___, well, I think you can fill in the blank.
Anyway, it seems to me that this is one of those things that is difficult because some ARE offended. So do we limit the expression of others? Well, we are. But what if those who get offended by foul language could choose to get the "dubbed" version of Babble? Wouldn't that be cool?
Probably nigh impossible, but still...get your B-chips here! (And B isn't for buffalo in this case).
;)
gg
Posted by Gabbix2 on December 17, 2004, at 23:41:38
In reply to Re: POLL: Anybody find '@ss' offensive???, posted by henrietta on December 17, 2004, at 21:12:56
I really like what you said Henrietta, in both posts, I think those are excellent points.
Posted by jakeman on December 18, 2004, at 13:21:02
In reply to Re: POLL: Anybody find '@ss' offensive??? » henrietta, posted by Gabbix2 on December 17, 2004, at 23:41:38
Also is, GAWD-DANG considered a bad word?
Is there a list anywhere of the banned words?
I got busted for saying @SS. A while later I heard that crazy-@ss David Letterman say it on TV.
Posted by 64bowtie on December 18, 2004, at 14:33:37
In reply to POLL: Anybody find '@ss' offensive???, posted by alexandra_k on December 17, 2004, at 15:16:29
My guess is that literate donkeys that are computer savvy would object... It's misspelling their name for one thing!
...and the least we could do is spell their name right!!!!
Rod
PS: @ssh*le is objectionable on the part of all herein, since its pejorative and otherwise deprecating. It also is mostly used to shame another person into this or that response or behavior.
Posted by Fallen4MyT on December 18, 2004, at 18:46:11
In reply to Re: POLL: Is DAG-NABBIT offensive?, posted by jakeman on December 18, 2004, at 13:21:02
When I type or write I am much more aware of what I am saying then when I speak and trust me I am no prude I swear like a sailor. But when it is the written word I see it as something I can control. I think it is silly to use *&@ and all we all still know the words so let them all stay or take them all out is my thought on the matter
Posted by alexandra_k on December 18, 2004, at 19:22:54
In reply to Re: unresonableness, posted by Dr. Bob on December 17, 2004, at 21:21:57
Well it seems that some people do find that offensive. Well, I figure (like gg) thats what people are saying. That suprises me quite a lot. And that was the intention of the poll. Ok, some people find it offensive. Thats a good reason to refrain IMO. Not because some hypothetical person MIGHT feel offended, but because some real person actually does.
> People may find it offensive, but not say so...
Why wouldn't they say? This thread wasn't supposed to be about changing the minds of people who find it offensive, it was about just seeing whether some people did.
> That's an interesting hypothesis, that the perception of unreasonableness prompts a protest.>Not to deflect this discussion, but would you be willing to consider whether you've been in situations like that in the past?
Sure, usually when faced with something I consider unreasonable I (a) withdraw or (b) pack a wobbly. I don't think I am doing either of those things here. How do people typically react to the perception of unreasonableness?
I am not sure what you are getting at.
Not meaning to deflect the discussion, but how do you typically respond to the perception of unreasonableness? Or, if you don't feel like answering that, how is one supposed to respond?
Posted by henrietta on December 18, 2004, at 20:50:20
In reply to Re: POLL: Anybody find '@ss' offensive??? » henrietta, posted by Gabbix2 on December 17, 2004, at 23:41:38
Thank you for your kindness, Gabbi, but unfortunately it soothes my regret by only a degree. My post was uncivil, though honest. I could have said what I needed to say in a less offensive manner, a less hysterical manner, and at my advanced age I should no longer be giving in to these childish modes of thought or communication. I do not repudiate the content of my posts, but I do regret their form, and I do, for better or worse, believe that form counts.
(Nearly as much as content.)
Contradictorily (is that a word?)yours, hen.
PS Happy Holidays---or as happy as possible given the circumstances--to one and all.
Posted by Jai Narayan on December 18, 2004, at 21:11:57
In reply to Re: POLL: Is DAG-NABBIT offensive?, posted by jakeman on December 18, 2004, at 13:21:02
So my father didn't make up Dag nabbit?
how about con sarnit?
It's hard for me to spell these words I only heard them.
My father refused to swear.
he got darn close.
Jai
Posted by Gabbix2 on December 18, 2004, at 21:16:05
In reply to Re: POLL: Anybody find '@ss' offensive??? » Gabbix2, posted by henrietta on December 18, 2004, at 20:50:20
> Thank you for your kindness, Gabbi,
It wasn't kindness, it was the truth Hen,
but unfortunately it soothes my regret by only a degree. My post was uncivil, though honest. I could have said what I needed to say in a less offensive manner, a less hysterical manner, and at my advanced age I should no longer be giving in to these childish modes of thought or communication.Wellllll I suppose since you put it that way, that's what you want, what can I say? It didn't come across as hysterical to me though, just *pointed* I find the whole *&*( ! meaningless and silly and sometimes that can bring out the less dignified aspects of oneself I suppose,(how ironic) And your latter remark about calling ourselves losers, was well taken.
Happy Holidays to you to Hen.
Yes, all circumstances considered : )
Contradictorily (is that a word?)No, but it should be, I like homemade words.
Grotesqueties is my favorite.
Posted by crushedout on December 18, 2004, at 22:07:39
In reply to We need a B chip!, posted by gardenergirl on December 17, 2004, at 23:31:42
Sometimes the word in question (which I don't dare use) is even an answer in the NEW YORK TIMES CROSSWORD PUZZLE. This is much pruder than any television channel, even one from many years ago, back when broadcast TV was pretty dang prude. Okaiiiiii???
Posted by jakeman on December 19, 2004, at 0:39:46
In reply to Re: POLL: Is DAG-NABBIT offensive?, posted by Jai Narayan on December 18, 2004, at 21:11:57
> So my father didn't make up Dag nabbit?
> how about con sarnit?
> It's hard for me to spell these words I only heard them.
> My father refused to swear.
> he got darn close.
> JaiHaven't heard con sarnit. I have heard people say "tarnation.." Reminds me of a joke. What do you call coming back to life as a hillbilly?
REINTARNATION.(I think I hear sirens...)
Posted by gardenergirl on December 19, 2004, at 1:11:51
In reply to Re: POLL: Is DAG-NABBIT offensive? » Jai Narayan, posted by jakeman on December 19, 2004, at 0:39:46
What if we use the father on "A Christmas Story" as a guideline. Anything he said was okay? If it's okay for a children's holiday movie, it must be okay for babble.
Now, who wants to try to decipher it?
gg
Posted by Toph on December 19, 2004, at 5:42:47
In reply to POLL: Anybody find '@ss' offensive???, posted by alexandra_k on December 17, 2004, at 15:16:29
This place is supposed to be a place where people can feel free to express themselves without hurting others so I understand Bob's point of view. But this place SHOULD be a site where all of us, especially Bob, is tolerant of someone who needs to vent their anger at themselves, show self-doubt, desribe their depression, whatever, in a candid, spontaneous way. All of us, no matter how sensitive to vulgar language, should overlook an individual who is self-depreciating and needs to offend themself in front of us all. Obviously the word should not be used to describe another person (with the exception of gg's ex-fiance, of course).
Not saying anything that hasn't already been said but giving my vote for greater tolerance.
-Toph
Posted by alexandra_k on December 19, 2004, at 11:55:43
In reply to Re: unresonableness, posted by Dr. Bob on December 17, 2004, at 21:21:57
Yeah well, okay. After having thought about it a bit I thought that maybe what you were getting at wasn't how I have responded to perceived unreasonableness in the past but maybe more what kinds of things prompted the perception of unreasonableness in the past.
My mother would be a paradigm example there. I could never figure out what I had done wrong, what I was being punished for. She had the power to exile me from the world by locking me in my room as punishment. You have the power to exile me from babble by blocking me as punishment.
I have been under a lot of pressure lately. My judgement has been severely out of kilter for the last week or so. I am sorry.
Posted by Gabbix2 on December 19, 2004, at 18:35:38
In reply to Re: POLL: Is DAG-NABBIT offensive?, posted by Jai Narayan on December 18, 2004, at 21:11:57
> So my father didn't make up Dag nabbit?
> how about con sarnit?
> It's hard for me to spell these words I only heard them.
> My father refused to swear.
> he got darn close.
> Jai
Con Sarnit! I remember that one. When my grandfather was really angry he'd say "GREAT CAESAR'S GHOST!" I still like using that sometimes, it's just fun to say. My ex's dad used to say "Flamin NORA!" which always made me laugh because of the various mental pictures it brought to mind.
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