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Posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2004, at 15:39:43
Dr. Hsiung,
I am requesting that you make a determination as to the permissibility of the following post to go unadmonished.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20040902/msgs/393715.html
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2004, at 16:01:45
In reply to Lou's request for Dr. Hsiung for a determinationNK, posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2004, at 15:39:43
Dr. Hsiung,
I feel that the post in question here has the potential to arrouse ill-will toward me. I feel put down on the basis of the poster starting out:
"Lou.
This will be my one and only post to you".
I feel that the statement is unsupportive to the goal of the forum, for it stops any future response by the poster to me since the poster states that this will be the "one and only" post from the poster to me.
Then the poster puts forth what I would want to have dialog about, but no dialog with the poster could happen for the poster has already stated that the post that was made was the "one and only" post to me. I am asking you to make a determination if this is permissible for one to do here by the poster to me or anyone else.
I am a member of another mental health forum and have seen thousands of posts on that forum and I have never seen any post like the one in question here being allowed, for the post in question has the potential to be one that talks down to another.
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2004, at 16:14:11
In reply to Lou's request for Dr.Hsiung for a determinationNK2 » Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2004, at 16:01:45
Dr. Hsiung,
The poster putsd forth something that has the potential to have othere belive that there is a quota for requests.
Due to my concern to have a safe place for me to have dialog with others in a mental health forum, I do ask for clarification if I feel that there is a need for me to have something clarified. Since I am a prolific poster, there will be more posts for me to ask for clarification. I do not feel that asking for clarification is something that a quota is imposed.
I am not like evrybody else. I do not think like evrybody else. I do not write like evrybody else. But amI to have some sort of quota imposed upon me in asking for clarification? I ask for clarification because I need it. I need it because I do not see things like evrybody else.
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2004, at 16:30:05
In reply to Lou's request for Dr. Hsiung for a determinationNK, posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2004, at 15:39:43
Dr. Hsiung,
The poster then ends the post with:
"Like evrything in life I guess, moderation is the key."
I belive that there are some things that moderation would not be called for in life.
When posts are directed to me here, I believe that it could benifit the forum if all of the parts of the post that need for me to have clarification are requested by me for such. Then I could respond appropriatly.
Some posts as you have seen are good for me to request clarification from the poster, for without the poster defining what they mean, how could one know what they mean? Are we to conclude things here without knowing what a poster means? Would not it be better to ask what the poster means in order to ficilitate appropriate responses?
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2004, at 16:51:04
In reply to Lou's request for Dr.Hsiung for a determinationNK » Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2004, at 16:30:05
Dr. Hsiung,
The poster also writes,"There is a difference between asking for clarification over one point, and asking for clarification over evry single part of a message."
But the poster does not indicate what the difference is. Nor can I ask for that differance to be disclosed, for the poster has written that "This will be my one and only post to you".
Now we have to speculate as to what the difference is. I am asking you to make a determination as to if this type of statement by the poster is supportive. Could someone write, [...there is a difference between requesting clarification for one part a statement that has the potential to arrouse antisemitic feelings and requesting clarification to all the parts of the statement that have the potential to arrouse antisemitic feelings ...] and that some sort of demerit could be assessd to the poster requesting the clarification?
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2004, at 18:03:10
In reply to Lou's request for DrHsiung for a determinationNK5 » Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2004, at 16:51:04
Dr. Hsiung,
I am asking you to make a determination maimly about posters writing statement like,"This will be my one and only post to you."
The statement sounds to me so final. It is the "and only" part that concerns me. How could something be final? Could not the poster that wrote the statement have a change in heart in the future? Could not the poster themselves feel that they have to request clarification, even for more than one part of a statement,in the future and thearfore find theirself in my shoes? And could not there be a change in the administration where the forum could encourage requests for clarification? after all, it has been written that jumping to a conclusion is to be avoided here.
It has been said, [...you don't convert a man by silencing him...]. If I am to be silenced by some sort of quota for requesting clarification, what would be the gain for the forum? Are not different points of view encouraged hear? Well, my point of view is that one can ask for clarification and enrichen a discussion by adding to it the reply from the poster that the clarification is requested from , and that the poster that requests the clarification now has more to respond accordingly to.
Lou Pilder
Posted by SLS on September 22, 2004, at 19:08:58
In reply to Lou's closing statement for the post in question » Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2004, at 18:03:10
Hi Lou.
It demonstrates great self-awareness that you should recognize and acknowledge your unique qualities.
I would like to suggest that your writing might be more easily followed if you were to consolidate your thoughts into fewer posts and with less redundancy.
Just a thought.
- Scott
Posted by TofuEmmy on September 22, 2004, at 19:29:25
In reply to Lou's closing statement for the post in question » Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2004, at 18:03:10
Lou - I hope you continue to post in whatever manner best suits you. If posting 10 posts is the way you best express yourself, go for it!
If you want to try doing it in one or two, experimentation is also fun, and has learning/growth potential.
But heck...Lou, this is your place as much as it is everyone else's. Post in whatever manner works best for you. Perhaps you'd have more readers if you could consolidate just because people have so little time. But, again...I want to emphasize this - do it your way Lou!! Only you know the best way for you to get the thoughts from your mind onto the screen. Do what works for you. Take care Lou.
Emmy
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2004, at 19:53:24
In reply to Re: Lou's closing statement for the post in question » Lou Pilder, posted by TofuEmmy on September 22, 2004, at 19:29:25
TofuEmmy,
It is not often that I meet someone that appreciates my presence here. And may I say that I am greatly helped by reading your post.
The forum is for support. But you see others telling me what to do in my writing and you write,[...Lou, this is your place just as it is evryone elses...].[...if posting 10 posts is the way that you can express yourself...go for it...].
Your post is truly a post of support. You may have seen the bad break that I got. Yet today, I consider myself, to be, the luckiest man, on the face of the earth.
Lou
Posted by gardenergirl on September 22, 2004, at 21:14:05
In reply to Lou's reply to TofuEmmy » TofuEmmy, posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2004, at 19:53:24
Lou,
I think Emmy is one in a million. As someone who has also been the recepient of gifts from her generous spirit, I was touched to see her affect on you.Be well,
gg
Posted by NewWife on September 23, 2004, at 20:43:57
In reply to Lou's reply to TofuEmmy » TofuEmmy, posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2004, at 19:53:24
i appriciate everything you have to say. i enjoyed reading your posts. if your anything like me, you hit that send button and then only after, think of something else to write. you seen very smart and willing to communicate with others in this huge and sometimes confusing world. have a great day and keep writing.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2004, at 21:27:50
In reply to Re:my reply to Lou's entries, posted by NewWife on September 23, 2004, at 20:43:57
New Wife,
You wrote,[...I appreciate evrything you have to say...].
I appreciate you posting that.
Best regards,
Lou
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 24, 2004, at 1:07:26
In reply to Lou's request for Dr.Hsiung for a determinationNK2 » Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2004, at 16:01:45
> I feel that the statement ... stops any future response by the poster to me
Not necessarily, she's free to change her mind...
Bob
Posted by NewWife on September 24, 2004, at 17:35:29
In reply to Lou's reply to New Wife » NewWife, posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2004, at 21:27:50
you are very welcome. i love to give people compliments. have a nice day!
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