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Posted by Dr. Bob on September 18, 2004, at 1:14:39
In reply to Re: Thanks for posting here, Jadah., posted by Susan47 on September 16, 2004, at 18:54:15
> Jadah's use of the word "f[*]ck" was entirely appropriate when taken in context.
Well, the context here is support...
> If she'd posted in "Writing" would she have been allowed to use this word? It's in the dictionary. f[*]ck - An act of copulation...
>
> Give us an alternative word.No, the same guidelines apply in Writing. It's in the dictionary, but the dictionary also says it's "usually obscene". Two alternatives: (1) f*ck and (2) copulate.
Bob
Posted by Susan47 on September 18, 2004, at 1:14:40
In reply to Re: please be civil » Susan47, posted by Dr. Bob on September 17, 2004, at 9:03:09
Copulate would have sounded silly in there. My dictionary says it's "coarse slang". My interpretation of the word's context in her letter is angry, sensual sex. Copulate doesn't carry that meaning, but fuck certainly does. "Copulate - v. - join, link together 2 - Of a male and female; have copulation, unite sexually (with)
The meanings are clearly different. Fuck is still a word used to denote the worst kind of insult on people, but it *does* have another meaning, at least two other meanings, in fact, and when used properly it is *not* uncivil.
As a society and as thinking people, it's our responsibility to make the discretion. Thanks lovey. Am I banned yet?
Posted by Susan47 on September 18, 2004, at 1:14:40
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by Susan47 on September 17, 2004, at 9:15:33
To clarify, "fuck", not "copulate", is coarse slang.
Posted by Susan47 on September 18, 2004, at 1:14:41
In reply to Re: please be civil » Susan47, posted by Dr. Bob on September 17, 2004, at 9:03:09
"> Jadah's use of the word "f[*]ck" was entirely appropriate when taken in context.
Well, the context here is support..."
I agree. How can support be given if one cannot be allowed to communicate precisely what one means to? (Sorry, poor grammar)
Posted by Susan47 on September 18, 2004, at 1:14:44
In reply to Dr. Bob, from your post, posted by Susan47 on September 17, 2004, at 9:44:51
anymore, take me over to admin if you have an issue with me. This is my fault; Jadah should be allowed to post what she needs to post without feeling constrained by my differences with you. This is your board after all, isn't it? ...
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 18, 2004, at 1:22:01
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by Susan47 on September 17, 2004, at 9:15:33
> Copulate doesn't carry that meaning, but f[*]ck certainly does.
Please don't use language that could offend others. Sorry, but I'm going to block you from posting for a week.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by vwoolf on September 18, 2004, at 14:55:05
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by Susan47 on September 17, 2004, at 9:15:33
>>Dr. B I'm offended that you refer to Jadah's use of the word "fuck". It said exactly what she had to say when she had to say it. Give us an alternative word. If she'd posted in "Writing" would you have had the same reaction? Because if you would, that's a problem. IMO. (Ban me baby)
I take it this was a jab at my post “Mother’s Little Shadow” on Writing earlier this week, and I think I must concur with Susan in that the substance of posts like mine can be much more shocking than the use of “coarse slang” which gets a pbc. However I don’t want to get into a lexical argument.
What I do want to say is that the Writing board did not feel like a comfortable place to be raising the kind of issues I wanted to, but nor do any of the other boards seem right. Or can you suggest where I should have posted? I think there is definitely a place for a new board, entitled Psycho-Sexual Babble or something of the sort as Dinah suggested, where it would be possible to post triggering material of a sexual nature without feeling as if the space and sentiments of others were being invaded and offended. It is perhaps also a place where there could be a bit more tolerance of potentially offensive language.
Is there any chance of this? I suspect there are other people who want to talk about sexual issues who don’t feel comfortable with the busy Psychology or Social boards.
Posted by 64bowtie on September 18, 2004, at 15:22:37
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by Susan47 on September 17, 2004, at 9:15:33
Susan47,
All this hooplaw ends where it has; you been blocked.
In the words of Jerry Seinfeld, clean language humor "is a better game" than is potty mouth humor. So, I seek practices that reflect my self-respect, which meant amending my Submarine Service background behavior was a tall chore, trust me. I can connect vulgarities together in ways you never thought of. None of that will help me get my point across.
Vulgarities can help if your purpose is violent or coercive abuse of others. My reflected warning to myself is, "Violent and coercive and abusive folks don't get to stay on this planet toooo long before they get dead". Since I began to champion self-respect, I have noticed success stories living longer and higher quality lives.
...'course, thas jes me.
Rod
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 18, 2004, at 16:41:52
In reply to New Board Dr Bob?, posted by vwoolf on September 18, 2004, at 14:55:05
> > > Dr. B I'm offended that you refer to Jadah's use of the word "f[*]ck".
First, I need to ask you not even to repeat language that could offend others:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> What I do want to say is that the Writing board did not feel like a comfortable place to be raising the kind of issues I wanted to, but nor do any of the other boards seem right. Or can you suggest where I should have posted? I think there is definitely a place for a new board, entitled Psycho-Sexual Babble or something of the sort as Dinah suggested, where it would be possible to post triggering material of a sexual nature without feeling as if the space and sentiments of others were being invaded and offended. It is perhaps also a place where there could be a bit more tolerance of potentially offensive language.
>
> Is there any chance of this? I suspect there are other people who want to talk about sexual issues who don’t feel comfortable with the busy Psychology or Social boards.Well, never say never, but I think those issues may to some extent just be inherently uncomfortable to deal with. It's nice to be considerate of others, but that can also be done in the subject line or at the beginning of the post.
Regarding the words that are used, I think it's possible to work around the restrictions here.
Bob
Posted by karaS on September 19, 2004, at 0:36:25
In reply to Re: blocked for week » Susan47, posted by Dr. Bob on September 18, 2004, at 1:22:01
> > Copulate doesn't carry that meaning, but f[*]ck certainly does.
>
> Please don't use language that could offend others. Sorry, but I'm going to block you from posting for a week.
>
> If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
>
> Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
I find that sometimes nothing will get my point across in the same way that a swear word will and at times I am frustrated here at not being able to use them. On the otherhand, once you open that floodgate, I would bet that the level of conversation would diminish greatly because some people would abuse that "privelege". For that reason and also for those who would be offended by that language, I'm more than willing to give up their usage.Kara
Posted by vwoolf on September 19, 2004, at 13:57:45
In reply to Re: New Board, posted by Dr. Bob on September 18, 2004, at 16:41:52
Thanks - I hadn't noticed there was already a new board. Perhaps this will be what I need.
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