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Posted by Lou Pilder on April 14, 2003, at 9:40:59
In reply to Perhaps I flattered myself re ObstreperousTex » Lou Pilder, posted by OddipusRex on April 14, 2003, at 9:30:36
OddipusRex,
You wrote,[...I'd been an inspiration...].
Thank you for pointing out that there could be [other] reasons why a name is used in a hypothetical example. You see, in the hypothetical example, another poster could have been {inspiered} by you and since he was from Texas, and cantankerous, he made up the name, ObstreperousTex because he admired you.
Lou
Posted by noa on April 14, 2003, at 9:42:48
In reply to Lou's respomse to noa's post-DPTM » noa, posted by Lou Pilder on April 13, 2003, at 20:53:45
I haven't concluded anything. But I am saying that I perceive that the "fictitious" names you've chosen are not hypothetical enough. To me, they seem too closely related to real names on this board, with minor distortions of a negative nature. This is my perception. I am saying that when I read them I see them as potentially insulting and in contradiction to your stated intentions of considering other people's feelings. That is all.
Posted by noa on April 14, 2003, at 9:49:25
In reply to Re: Perhaps I flattered myself re ObstreperousTex » OddipusRex, posted by Lou Pilder on April 14, 2003, at 9:40:59
Lou, give me a break.
Any second-grader would be able to match them up. And if you claim that it is coincidence, I would not be able to believe you.
And if you claim that there is no way the names could be perceived as insulting, I would disagree. Rex might be flattered but I think that is unusual. To be flattered would require seeing it as sarcasm in good faith, and sarcasm is at the very least very risky in this form of communication.
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 14, 2003, at 9:50:15
In reply to Re: Lou's respomse to noa's post-DPTM, posted by noa on April 14, 2003, at 9:42:48
noa,
You wrote,[...I havn't concluded anything...potentually insulting...].
Could you match up the posters names with the hypothetical ones? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to respond to your perception that the names are insulting.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 14, 2003, at 10:02:21
In reply to Re: Perhaps I flattered myself re ObstreperousTex, posted by noa on April 14, 2003, at 9:49:25
noa,
You wrote,[...to be flattered would {requier}...].
I do not believe there are any set requierments for one to be flattered. In the hypothetical, more than one perception could be made. ObstreporousTex could have {liked} the name of OddipusRex for many different reasons, not just the reason that you percieve.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 14, 2003, at 10:09:46
In reply to Re: Perhaps I flattered myself re ObstreperousTex, posted by noa on April 14, 2003, at 9:49:25
noa,
You wrote,[...names changed...insulting...].
Could you clarify what names are changed and how the change resulte in {insulting}? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 14, 2003, at 10:37:12
In reply to Re: Perhaps I flattered myself re ObstreperousTex, posted by noa on April 14, 2003, at 9:49:25
noa,
You wrote,[...any 2end grader would be able to match them up...].
Well, I do not know who you are matching up who with who. Are you saying that a 2end grader could do the matching and that I can't? If so, could you clarify the charactoristics of a 2end grader that I am lacking? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 14, 2003, at 10:48:31
In reply to Re: Lou's respomse to noa's post-DPTM » Lou Pilder, posted by NikkiT2 on April 14, 2003, at 8:08:49
NikkiT2,
You wrote, "The names you used are Not fictitious as you rightly know."
Could you clarify what you used to make that conclusion? The names are fictitious,for the example is hypothetical and the names are of unreal people. Are you saying that you have some type of special power to look into my mind and tell what I {know}?
Lou
Posted by NikkiT2 on April 14, 2003, at 10:51:22
In reply to Re: Lou's response to NikkiT2's post-DPTM » NikkiT2, posted by Lou Pilder on April 14, 2003, at 9:20:48
Lou.
I can't believe that you are denying this.. you have been so openly offensive, that every one here (and yes, I have recieved personal messages to this effect) can see what you did.
*bangs head against brick wall*
My 4 year old nephew would be able to work out exactly who you were reffering to with your pseudonyms, so please, don't act so innocent.
Lou, you are a nasty piece of work. You deliberately, and yes, I mean deliberately, wind people up, again and again and again. People ask you not to ask for clarification, and you say they are rude and uncivil, but you think you can get away with calling me Drippy??? Or Beardedlady Wierd???
You can never simply reply with one post, but, take this thread as an example, you go over and over the same things time and time again. People are just pushed to the edge of distraction by you.You upset people, and people let you know that they do, yet you continue to bang away at them.
Your grammer is appalling. Your use of ]'s and the like make your posts virtually impossible to read and understand, and your spelling is terrible - and yes, you've posted asking for clarififcation on a post of mine due to a simple typo that any normal person would have seen straight away as a typo. But no, you have to harrass me and make me feel so angry that you couldn't just let one simply typo go.
As for you communication expert. Has he ever looked at any posts of yours?? Some how I doubt it, as your communication is terrible, and no one ever really knows what you're actually trying to say.
You play the hard done by, victimised person every time anyone stands up for themselves against you.
You are part of a community here Lou, yet you are not willing to try and fit in with it. Many, MANY of us have made suggestions as to how you could communicate with us better, but you believe your way is the perfect way and are un-willing to change, for the better in my opinion.
I have tried to be civil with you Lou.. I have tried incredibly hard. But yesterday you decided to no longer be civil about me, and about friends I have here.
Nikki
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 14, 2003, at 11:04:43
In reply to Re: Lou's response to NikkiT2's post-DPTM, posted by NikkiT2 on April 14, 2003, at 10:51:22
NikkiT2,
You wrote,"Lou, you are a nasty piece of work."
Are you saying that:
A. I am a piece of God's work that is nasty?
B. I am a piece of what is worked out of the body?
c. something other than A or B which is______
D. none of the above.
E. Both of the above.
If you could clarify this, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 14, 2003, at 11:23:03
In reply to Re: Lou's response to NikkiT2's post-DPTM, posted by NikkiT2 on April 14, 2003, at 10:51:22
NikkiT2,
You wrote,"You deliberatly, and yes, I mean deliberatly, wind people up, again and again and again."
Could you clarify if you have some type of power to decern what is in my heart to accuse me of {deliberatly}[winding people up]and what "winding people up" means ? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly, for I am not deliberatly winding people up, if I understand what that expression has been used to mean in the past. It is my intention to respond to the invitation here to discuss administrative issues and the one in discussion now is important to me, for I feel that if the [...don't post to me...] policy is allowed here, that that policy could open the doors to discrimination, ostracisim, stigmatization and , perhaps, other things that I consider to be an unsound mental-health practice. The examples that I have given are designed to clarify the permeters of the proposed policy and they are hypothetical and the people in them are not real people.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 14, 2003, at 11:35:18
In reply to Re: Lou's response to NikkiT2's post-DPTM, posted by NikkiT2 on April 14, 2003, at 10:51:22
NikkiT2,
You wrote, "People ask you not to ask for clarification, and you say that they are rude and uncivil, but you think that you can get away with calling me Drippy??? or Beardedlady Wierd???"
Are you saying that I called you Drippy? I never called you anything, so could you clarify what you mean? And I never called beardedlady wierd, so are you accusing me of such?If so,could you clarify why you wrote that? If you could, then I could have the opoortunity to respond accordingly.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 14, 2003, at 11:45:14
In reply to Re: Lou's response to NikkiT2's post-DPTM, posted by NikkiT2 on April 14, 2003, at 10:51:22
NikkiT2,
You wrote that I could not see a typo of yours that any {normal} person would have seen.
Are you saying that:
A. Lou is abnormal?
B. Lou is not normal?
C. normal people are defined by seeing if they can spot a typo?
D. Only people that can spot a typo can post here?
E. Some other thing which is________
F. none of the above
G. a combination of the above which is_____
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 14, 2003, at 11:56:47
In reply to Re: Lou's response to NikkiT2's post-DPTM, posted by NikkiT2 on April 14, 2003, at 10:51:22
NikkiT2,
You wrote, "My 4 year old nephew would be able to work out exactly who you were reffering to with your pseudonyms, so please, don't act so innocent."
Are you saying that:
A.your 4 year old nephew is smarter than me?
B.you are accusing me of {acting}innocent?
C.you are accusing me of using pseudonymes?
D.your 4 year old nephew can read?
E.none of the above
F.something different from the above which is____
G. a combination of the above which is____
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 14, 2003, at 12:09:32
In reply to Re: Lou's response to NikkiT2's post-DPTM, posted by NikkiT2 on April 14, 2003, at 10:51:22
NikkiT2,
You wrote, "I can't believe that you are denying this...you have been so openly offensive, that evryone here(and yes, I have recieved personal mressages to this effect) can see what you did."
Are you accusiing me of being openly offensive? If so, could you clarify what this open offense is? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
Are you saying that {everyone} has written messages to you about me, or just a few, or some other amount of people? If you could clarify this, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
Are you saying that I did something that others consider offensive? If so, what are these{others} saying that I did that was offensive? If you could identify and clarify such, then I could have the opportunuty to respond accordingly.
Lou
Posted by ayuda on April 14, 2003, at 12:41:43
In reply to Re: Lou's response to NikkiT2's post-DPTM, posted by NikkiT2 on April 14, 2003, at 10:51:22
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 14, 2003, at 13:52:14
In reply to Re: Lou's response to NikkiT2's post-DPTM, posted by NikkiT2 on April 14, 2003, at 10:51:22
NikkiT2,
You wrote,"You are part of a community here Lou, yet you are not willing to try to fit in with it." And with what also you wrote in your post,
Are you saying that:
A. only people that fit in are deemed to be accepted in this community?
B. you will determine what I have to do to fit in this community and it is to______________?
C. Lou is abnormal because he doesn't fit in this community?
D. only normal people fit in this community
E. it is better to fit in than to think for yourself?
F. all members of this community must be perfectly fitted to evrybody else in the community?
G. There is no room for those here that don't fit in?
H. none of the above
I. something other which is___________
J. a combination of the above which is________
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 14, 2003, at 14:08:38
In reply to Re: Lou's response to NikkiT2's post-DPTM, posted by NikkiT2 on April 14, 2003, at 10:51:22
NikkiT2,
You wrote, "But yesterday you decieded to no longer be civil about me, and about friends I have here."
Are you accusing me of some type of decieded plot to be uncivil to you and your friends? If so, are you saying that you have some special power to determine what someone decieds to do in relation to what they write here, without there being any facts in evidence to support your conclusion? If so, could you tell me what this power is that enables you to make that determination? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly, for I do not believe that anyone on the face of the earth has any power to determine why someone wrote something unless there are facts in evidence to support their conclusion, and I do not believe that I have been uncivil to you or your friends.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 14, 2003, at 14:52:06
In reply to Re: Lou's response to NikkiT2's post-DPTM, posted by NikkiT2 on April 14, 2003, at 10:51:22
NikkiT2,
You wrote that my communication is terrible and that no one ever really knows what I am trying to say.
Well, if you are not sure of what I am trying to say, you, or anyone else, could ask me for clarification to have a better understanding so that you could have the opportunity to respond accordingly. I have not declared that anyone could not respond to me, and you have responded more to me than most others here, so it appears to me that at least you have some idea as to what I am talking about, except I do not beleive that you have a proper foundation to make the kind of remarks and conclusions that you have made to me in your post here that I am taking the opportunity to respond to.
Lou
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 14, 2003, at 15:07:13
In reply to Re: Lou's respomses » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on April 13, 2003, at 15:27:06
> Let us consider the following example:
> ObstreporousTex:
> Weirdedbeardo:
> Drippy2:
> boozman:Please be sensitive to the feelings of others and don't post anything that could lead them to feel accused or put down, thanks. I know you're concerned about what the effect of this policy might be, so I'd like to repeat:
> For someone who wanted to preserve their freedom to post to someone else -- to maintain their relationship with them -- I think it would go a long way to take into account that [other] person's feelings.
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20030404/msgs/217675.htmlBob
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 14, 2003, at 15:17:18
In reply to Re: Lou's response to NikkiT2's post-DPTM, posted by NikkiT2 on April 14, 2003, at 10:51:22
NikkiT2,
You wrote, "But no, you have to harrass me and make me feel so angry that you couldn't just let one simply typo go."
If you are refering to a recent post of yours to me, then my reply to you is not harrassment, for when one poststo another, there is an invitation for the other to respond. And if I remenber correctly, that post of yours had grammer that was not giving a clear idea of what you were trying to say, as well as there being a typo. But my request was only to give you an opportunity to clarify what you wrote to me, and that is not uncivil, or to be constituted as harrassment to you. If there is a recent post that is different from the post of yours that I am describing, and there is a post of yours with only a typo in it, could you repost that and we could examine it? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly. Are you also saying that I intentinally tried to make you angry by asking for clarification? If so, you could dispell that from your consideration for it is not now, nor has it ever been, nor will it ever be, my intention to make someone angry.
Lou
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 14, 2003, at 15:20:23
In reply to Re: Lou's response to NikkiT2's post-DPTM, posted by NikkiT2 on April 14, 2003, at 10:51:22
> you have been so openly offensive
>
> you are a nasty piece of work. You deliberately, and yes, I mean deliberately, wind people up, again and again and again.
>
> Your grammer is appalling. Your use of ]'s and the like make your posts virtually impossible to read and understand, and your spelling is terrible
>
> your communication is terriblePlease be sensitive to the feelings of others -- even if yours are hurt -- and don't jump to conclusions about them or post anything that could lead them to feel accused or put down, thanks.
> you have to harrass me and make me feel so angry
The whole idea of this new policy is to allow you, if you feel harassed by someone, to ask them not to direct any more posts to you...
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 14, 2003, at 15:35:44
In reply to Lou's response to Dr. Bob's post-VC-4 » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on April 13, 2003, at 14:34:31
> Are you saying that there must be an [...apparent reason...], {that can be seen}, for one to be allowed to make the declaration that someone not be allowed to post to them
Yes, the idea is to keep people from feeling harassed, so that should be the reason.
> If a person writes that they feel harrased, that may not necessarily be the real reason that they are declaring that another poster can not respond to what they wrote
That's true. But who's to say what the "real" reason is?
> the statement in question that one is responding to may allude to being an accusatory or defaming statement
Accusatory and defaming statements aren't civil, so I'll do my best to deal with them.
> I feel that if people's feelings are more important than the purpose of this board
The feeling of being supported is itself one of the purposes of this board...
> I am requesting that you direct me to some link that identifies to me the posters here that have made that decalration that I am not to respond to them. Then I would like for the reason(s) that they have made this decaration to deny me to post to them be published here so that I could have the opportunity to chalenge such reasons
1. I'm not going to try to keep track of these requests. Please note any that are directed to you.
It's partly for this reason that "blanket" requests would be a problem; everyone might not see them.
2. If someone requests that you not direct any posts to them and you want to challenge that, you can email me or, as long as you're civil, post to me about it here, but please respect their request not to post to them, thanks.
Bob
PS: I'm not replying to posts with distorted names.
Posted by NikkiT2 on April 14, 2003, at 15:36:22
In reply to Lou's response to NikkiT2's post-HRF, posted by Lou Pilder on April 14, 2003, at 15:17:18
Lou, I made one reply. Out of that one reply you have sent me 10 replies. To me, that number of messages generated to get clarification, feels like harrassment.
I must leave this thread now. I'm sorry for doing that, but it is not healthy for me to continue.
Nikki
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 14, 2003, at 16:13:11
In reply to Re: Lou's response to NikkiT2's post-HRF » Lou Pilder, posted by NikkiT2 on April 14, 2003, at 15:36:22
NikkiT2,
You wrote, "To me, the number of messages generated to get clarification feels like harrassment."
Each of my posts to you addresses one spacific part of your post to me, and there were many, many accusations and conclusions that I feel were false that you made about me that I felt hurt about that I wanted to have the opportunity to respond to, and the whole is equal to the sum of its parts. Are you saying that there is a quota to the parts of your post that I can respond to and not have the opportunity to respond to all of your post to me? If so, I feel that would be terribly unfair, for then I could be limited in my response to you so that not all of the parts could be responded to and could leave what I feel are accusations toward me unanswered. I feel that when a poster directs either statements that I feel are accusatory or defamatory to me, that it would be better for me to answere those statements than to leave them unanswered, and if there are many by the same poster, then there could be many replys from me and I do not consider that harassment, but just defending myself aginst what I feel is defamation directed at me. I forgive those that write defaminfg posts about me, but I also feel that I have an obligation to let posters that make satements that I feel are defaming to me be aware of the hurt that those statements could cause, and address them accordingly.
You wrote that you are sorry for leaving. I am sorry that you are leaving also. perhaps we could continue this discussion in the future, for I have not ever, and will not ever, and could not ever, tell someone not to post to me.
Lou
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