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Posted by kiddo on July 22, 2002, at 20:19:39
In reply to Re: it's from here..., posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 20:15:07
I didn't call *all* pharisees hypocrites, I was talking about the ones in the Bible that said Jesus was casting out demons in the name of Beelzebub.....there is a big difference...I don't recall mentioning the Saducees at all...
Kiddo
Posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 20:25:53
In reply to Re: it's from here..., posted by kiddo on July 22, 2002, at 20:19:39
Excellent Kiddo. Now we're getting somewhere.
Something we can all agree on. Some Pharisees were hypocrites. I think that's probably a pretty safe statement. Some Christians are hypocrites too. Some Muslims are hypocrites. Some Atheists are hypocrites.
The majority of Pharisees were God loving scholars. The majority of Christians practice kindness and charity. The majority of Muslims submit to Allah. And the majority of Atheists... (this one is hard) don't pray in foxholes.
Okay. Can we take this point as agreed upon by all parties?
Posted by OddipusRex on July 22, 2002, at 20:39:47
In reply to Re: please be civil » Lou Pilder , posted by Dr. Bob on July 22, 2002, at 18:34:52
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> > > While I was on the Road, one asked the Rider about what degree of rightiousness is needed to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. The Rider said to me, " Unless your rightiousness exceeds the the rightiousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the Kingdom of Heaven."
> > > Now the scribes and Pharisees were the most rightious people of Israel. They were the chief Rabbis. They obeyed the Law to the letter.
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> > The scribes and Pharisees said but they did not, they said, and preached, but they didn't live it. They said that Jesus cast out devils by the Beelzebub, the prince of the devils. These people were NOT the most righteous in all of Israel. They were hypocrites.
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/msgs/592.html
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> I don't know anything about the scribes or the Pharisees, sorry, but if someone considers them righteous, I don't think it's so supportive to refer to them as hypocrites.
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> Bob
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Are you declaring Jesus Christ unsupportive?????
The quote from the "rider" is straight from the new testament and was also spoken by Jesus.
Don't you think the rider was also being unsupportive of the Pharisees? I think you need to keep thinking about this one Dr B.
Posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 20:49:49
In reply to Re: please be civil Jesus? » Dr. Bob, posted by OddipusRex on July 22, 2002, at 20:39:47
First of all, see the link Dr. Bob provided. It is by no means clear that Jesus called all Pharisees hypocrites.
Second, there were many instances where Jesus may not have fallen under the guidelines Dr. Bob has established for this board. Were Jesus have said to a fellow poster "You are much like whitewashed tombs, which appear fair outside, but inside are full of dead men's bones and everything foul.", I'm certain he would have received a Please Be Civil. Had he said it more than once he may have received a block. And if anyone on this board were to say that to another poster, explaining that he was quoting Jesus, that person would also get a please be civil. Dr. Bob has certain standards of behavior that he expects on this board. Quoting the bible does not excuse anyone from following them. Jesus would have had many other forums for his message. If he wanted to speak here, he would have to abide by the rules.
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 22, 2002, at 20:55:24
In reply to Re: Hmmm. » OddipusRex, posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 20:49:49
Posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 20:57:43
In reply to Dinah---Brilliant, Lou (nm) » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on July 22, 2002, at 20:55:24
Posted by krazy kat on July 22, 2002, at 20:58:01
In reply to Re: Perhaps....., posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 20:16:48
who has said anything they may later regret?
Posted by OddipusRex on July 22, 2002, at 21:01:06
In reply to Re: Hmmm. » OddipusRex, posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 20:49:49
Well Dinah Jesus wasn't accepted by many when he was here the first time either was he? Personally I answer to a higher authority than Dr bob :-)
Posted by kiddo on July 22, 2002, at 21:01:59
In reply to Re: Hmmm. » OddipusRex, posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 20:49:49
> First of all, see the link Dr. Bob provided. It is by no means clear that Jesus called all Pharisees hypocrites.
The link that Dr. Bob referred to, is not the Bible I was talking about.
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> Second, there were many instances where Jesus may not have fallen under the guidelines Dr. Bob has established for this board. Were Jesus have said to a fellow poster "You are much like whitewashed tombs, which appear fair outside, but inside are full of dead men's bones and everything foul.", I'm certain he would have received a Please Be Civil. Had he said it more than once he may have received a block. And if anyone on this board were to say that to another poster, explaining that he was quoting Jesus, that person would also get a please be civil. Dr. Bob has certain standards of behavior that he expects on this board. Quoting the bible does not excuse anyone from following them. Jesus would have had many other forums for his message. If he wanted to speak here, he would have to abide by the rules.I did quote the Bible, I was asked to be supportive, but I've not received a PBC post. I think this is getting a little out of hand...
Kiddo
Posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 21:05:39
In reply to Re: Hmmm., posted by kiddo on July 22, 2002, at 21:01:59
I was answering Oddipus' post about whether Dr. Bob would issue Jesus a PBC. It had nothing whatsoever to do with you.
I was the one who said long ago that this was out of hand.
Posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 21:09:14
In reply to things we may regret..., posted by krazy kat on July 22, 2002, at 20:58:01
I imagine everyone, kk. I'm afraid I don't quite understand...
Posted by Phil on July 22, 2002, at 21:12:07
In reply to Re: Hmmm. » OddipusRex, posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 20:49:49
"Were Jesus have said to a fellow poster "You are much like whitewashed tombs, which appear fair outside, but inside are full of dead men's bones and everything foul.", I'm certain he would have received a Please Be Civil. Had he said it more than once he may have received a block."
>>I don't know if you meant it to be but that is one funny paragraph.
If Jesus returned today he would be playing a much bigger venue.
Please don't block Jesus if he posts for obvious reasons.
Posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 21:13:04
In reply to Re: Hmmm., posted by kiddo on July 22, 2002, at 21:01:59
And darn kiddo. I thought we had an agreement in principle that all Pharisees were not hypocrites.
:(
Posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 21:14:18
In reply to Re: Hmmm. » Dinah, posted by Phil on July 22, 2002, at 21:12:07
Posted by krazy kat on July 22, 2002, at 21:16:49
In reply to Re: things we may regret... » krazy kat , posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 21:09:14
i can't speak for anyone else, but i imagine many folks think about what they post, reread it, and feel comfortable with it. no regrets usually I would imagine. i rarely have regrets. i regret losing my temper. that's about it, because i do reread my posts and try very hard to be reasonable and logical, and to keep my emotions, which may interfere with the clarity, out of the way.
Posted by kiddo on July 22, 2002, at 21:21:51
In reply to Re: Kiddo dear... » kiddo, posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 21:05:39
> I was answering Oddipus' post about whether Dr. Bob would issue Jesus a PBC. It had nothing whatsoever to do with you.
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> I was the one who said long ago that this was out of hand.I was the one that used the term hypocrites in that post, it looks as if dr. bob pasted some of my comments into the same one.
I think a *lot* of ppl said that a long time ago as well...
Posted by kiddo on July 22, 2002, at 21:24:19
In reply to Re: Hmmm. » kiddo, posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 21:13:04
Posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 21:39:12
In reply to i don't know... » Dinah, posted by krazy kat on July 22, 2002, at 21:16:49
> i can't speak for anyone else, but i imagine many folks think about what they post, reread it, and feel comfortable with it. no regrets usually I would imagine. i rarely have regrets. i regret losing my temper. that's about it, because i do reread my posts and try very hard to be reasonable and logical, and to keep my emotions, which may interfere with the clarity, out of the way.
But kk, how can you regret losing your temper if you keep your emotions out of the way? I'm sorry I still don't quite understand.But I would think that most people have a lot of regrets in their lives. I congratulate you on having so few.
Posted by krazy kat on July 22, 2002, at 21:49:05
In reply to Re: i don't know..., posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 21:39:12
i guess the key word is "try". emotions are key to our humanity, but in certain situations, they are better kept "checked". this board seems to be one of them since it is often when people let loose their emotions that they get pbc'd. i'm talking a range of emotions, not just niceties.
so, here, it is best to be distant and polite and sweet. that's how it's become over the last six months and why i don't fit in very well (i am by nature very polite, but the issues here are close to the heart). so i try to be rational and reasonable with my posts so that i don't regret them. when i loose my temper, i regret it.
i hope that clarifies my thoughts some.
and, in a general sense, if one has many things to regret, then i would hope one would reconsider how they are living their lives. that sounds like either a potentially bad life being lived, or a huge amount of shame that needs to be banished. just my very humble opinion of course, and not directed at anyone in particular.
Posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 21:56:59
In reply to i try to keep my emotions out of the way » Dinah, posted by krazy kat on July 22, 2002, at 21:49:05
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> and, in a general sense, if one has many things to regret, then i would hope one would reconsider how they are living their lives. that sounds like either a potentially bad life being lived, or a huge amount of shame that needs to be banished. just my very humble opinion of course, and not directed at anyone in particular.Well, maybe it just suggests that the person has a well developed conscience. Guilt was put in mankind for a purpose, to let us know when we have done something worthy of regret. Of course those of us with OCD have a biochemical problem with the whole anxiety/guilt system. I don't actually consider it a character flaw. After all that's what this site is here for.
Not that I am in any way implying that anyone on this board considers OCD to be a character flaw.
Posted by krazy kat on July 22, 2002, at 21:59:41
In reply to Re: i try to keep my emotions out of the way, posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 21:56:59
Posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 22:03:53
In reply to shame is very different than guilt (nm) » Dinah, posted by krazy kat on July 22, 2002, at 21:59:41
yes it is kk. are you trying to say something?
you're more cryptic than dr. bob.
i believe the topic was regret though.
Posted by tabitha on July 23, 2002, at 0:13:04
In reply to Re: please be civil » Lou Pilder , posted by Dr. Bob on July 22, 2002, at 18:34:52
> (To digress a bit, I think there's some tension between administration and support. I can administrate better if people inform me about questionable posts, but that's inevitably somewhat accusatory.)
You know, that's a good point. I think from now on I'll just trust you to either catch things or not, and keep myself out of it.
-tabitha
Posted by beardedlady on July 23, 2002, at 7:48:13
In reply to Re: i try to keep my emotions out of the way, posted by Dinah on July 22, 2002, at 21:56:59
> Guilt was put in mankind for a purpose, to let us know when we have done something worthy of regret.
That's one way to look at it, but what if it's a bad purpose? I bet most therapists will tell you that guilt is actually unhealthy and counterproductive. Guilt is usually imposed on us by others who don't like us or our actions, and it's manipulative. I have rarely felt guilty. When I say something that might have come out wrong, I apologize and explain, but I don't feel guilty or have regrets.
A lack of self-confidence can make one more susceptible to feeling guilty AND to making others feel guilty.
> Well, maybe it just suggests that the person has a well developed conscience.
I would say we do the right thing initially because we have a conscience.
I know lots of people who often feel guilt and often have regrets. I also know a lot who rarely feel guilt and who rarely have regrets. It's just what makes you you. I believe KK when she says she has few. I don't have many either.
beardy
Posted by Dinah on July 23, 2002, at 8:10:36
In reply to regrets and guilt » Dinah, posted by beardedlady on July 23, 2002, at 7:48:13
Hi Beardy, I was expecting you. :)
I certainly never said I didn't believe KK. And I believe you as well.
Now I do have regrets. I regret being drawn into this discussion. It must make newcomers to the board feel very uncomfortable.
So to elucidate, I was trying to ascertain if KK's pointed references were to my various meltdowns on the board, which I do regret and find embarassing. However, I also am proud of myself for overcoming my embarassment and continuing to try to contribute to the board. I am not again going to explain the relationship of my meltdowns to my OCD. I have done that at least one time too many already. I was rather hoping however, that she was not referring to my meltdowns, as such reminders would not be in keeping with my image of KK. And so I was giving her a chance to explain what she did mean before leaping to conclusions.
I hope that leaves those who have come to the board since my last meltdown feeling less like they are in the presence of those who are speaking in code.
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